Ken Hinkley has a better win % than Damien Hardwick

[El_Scorcho]

If their rebuild started 2010-12, they are a couple of years the wrong side of 12oclock - +7 years (9 years now 10 in 2022)

What stopped us from carrying our 2014 form forward was bad coaching, and the club made the genius decision to turn over half the list instead of getting rid of the actual problem. As such we've now got a bunch of old guys, a bunch of young guys, and not enough players in that prime 24-29 range. I'd suggest we're currently in a window where we could win a flag, but that will close for a few years when Boak/Dixon/Gray decline and retire unless we can effectively replace them.

 

[Progressive Aggresion]

David (Discount Eddie without the racism or competent football knowledge) Koch was too scared to accept the long term gain of a formal rebuild and has insisted on building a premiership team on the go through maintaining a mid - table finish at minimum.

As a result of this we've had nearly every year under Ken utilizing a list of SOME players in their prime and SOME either waiting in the wings to improve or completely dropping off a form cliff... and all at different times to the point where the list has never settled with a consistent 22 all working at an equal rate.

Ken isn't the worst coach in our history... but rather our most prematurely rewarded, and therefore our most costly. If we actually had a sane club president than we could've picked up someone else in 2017, rebuilt in 2018 and 19, and had a better chance at winning a flag in the past 2 years without settling at the ceiling of a prelim.

 

[Pessimistic]

David (Discount Eddie without the racism or competent football knowledge) Koch was too scared to accept the long term gain of a formal rebuild and has insisted on building a premiership team on the go through maintaining a mid - table finish at minimum.

As a result of this we've had nearly every year under Ken utilizing a list of SOME players in their prime and SOME either waiting in the wings to improve or completely dropping off a form cliff... and all at different times to the point where the list has never settled with a consistent 22 all working at an equal rate.

Ken isn't the worst coach in our history... but rather our most prematurely rewarded, and therefore our most costly. If we actually had a sane club president than we could've picked up someone else in 2017, rebuilt in 2018 and 19, and had a better chance at winning a flag in the past 2 years without settling at the ceiling of a prelim.

For mine that’s the thing abot a deep and therefore long rebuild. The club has to stick fat for a long time in club timeframes

 

[Coach_Required]

Port Adelaide are stuffed, they had their best chance to win it the past 2 years and stuffed it big time. I doubt their will be a 3rd chance.

 

[Mailliw]

David (Discount Eddie without the racism or competent football knowledge) Koch was too scared to accept the long term gain of a formal rebuild and has insisted on building a premiership team on the go through maintaining a mid - table finish at minimum.

As a result of this we've had nearly every year under Ken utilizing a list of SOME players in their prime and SOME either waiting in the wings to improve or completely dropping off a form cliff... and all at different times to the point where the list has never settled with a consistent 22 all working at an equal rate.

Ken isn't the worst coach in our history... but rather our most prematurely rewarded, and therefore our most costly. If we actually had a sane club president than we could've picked up someone else in 2017, rebuilt in 2018 and 19, and had a better chance at winning a flag in the past 2 years without settling at the ceiling of a prelim.

David Koch came to our club when we were a bees diaphragm from folding. We were a complete rabble both on and off the field and we were having to put tarps over entire seating bays at our Football Park home games.

We can't afford to do what the Crows have done, which is gut the playing list and opt for a scorched earth rebuild, because an extended period in the doldrums of the ladder may well see our club sink back to 2011/2012 like depths.

 

[Progressive Aggresion]

David Koch came to our club when we were a bees diaphragm from folding. We were a complete rabble both on and off the field and we were having to put tarps over entire seating bays at our Football Park home games.

We can't afford to do what the Crows have done, which is gut the playing list and opt for a scorched earth rebuild, because an extended period in the doldrums of the ladder may well see our club sink back to 2011/2012 like depths.

I understand, at the same time though its still not a safe and logical solution to build a premiership team from continuous mid - table finishes. If anything, like Geelong, our list management is the only thing saved us from falling into the bottom 6 for 10 years, in spite of our questionable coaching plan.

It's almost unfair to an extent, the fact that the entire club has to roll the financial dice if we even consider going into a rebuild from the bottom 6.

 

[Freomaniac]

Simple question - is it more important to win finals, including grand finals... or having a better minor round record?

Don Pyke had a far better winning record than Malcolm Blight... but will take Blight & his 2 flags any day over Pyke.

I am surprised you didnt mention Neil Craig's coaching record.

He coached the crows from 2004-2011.

Made finals from 2005-09. So he would of had a decent win/ loss record just on those 2005-9 years alone.

 

[Freomaniac]

Ol sh*t for brains Kenny should have been sacked in the 5 years we spent in the doldrums 2015-2019.

No doubt your mob under performed from 2015 until 2019. Only got that infamous 2017 elim final to look back on. Port should of made finals each year from 2015-9, especially after what they achieved in 2013-4

Sort of reminds me of freo from 2003-07 where freo only got a home elim final loss in 2003 and a preliminary final loss in 2006, where freo should of made finals in 2003-7.

Painful to a have a decent squad in their prime over a 5 year period only to play finals in one or 2 out of those 5 where that team should of made finals in each of those 5 years

 

[Mailliw]

No doubt your mob under performed from 2015 until 2019. Only got that infamous 2017 elim final to look back on. Port should of made finals each year from 2015-9, especially after what they achieved in 2013-4

Sort of reminds me of freo from 2003-07 where freo only got a home elim final loss in 2003 and a preliminary final loss in 2006, where freo should of made finals in 2003-7.

Painful to a have a decent squad in their prime over a 5 year period only to play finals in one or 2 out of those 5 where that team should of made finals in each of those 5 years

Adelaide vastly underperformed over that 2012-2017 period given how talented their squads were during that time.

 

[Havoc]

Interesting stat given Ken Hinkley has never even coached a team to a grand final. Someone pointed out Gary Rohan

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Gary Rohan

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8.8

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6.0

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2.8

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3.4

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having a better win percentage than Dustin Martin but at least Gary Rohan

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8.8

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6.0

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2.8

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3.4

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has made the grand final three times.

 

[Freomaniac]

Adelaide vastly underperformed over that 2012-2017 period given how talented their squads were during that time.

You are partially right.

They didn't have 1st round and 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013 drafts due to the Kurt tippet situation.

Did the Kurt tippet scandal put the crows back 10 years? I don't think it did.

The crows drafted well in 2007-2009

 

[Freomaniac]

Simple question - is it more important to win finals, including grand finals... or having a better minor round record?

Don Pyke had a far better winning record than Malcolm Blight... but will take Blight & his 2 flags any day over Pyke.

Of course you would.

But you need enough wins to grab a finals spot.

You can't play finals outsode the top 8.

Speaking of crows fans. I get upset occasionally on how they sink the boots on Neil Craig for not delivering a flag.

Made finals from 2005-9. Yes we can talk about specifically the 2005 and 2006 finals.

Neil Craig suffered a similar fate at Ross Lyon at Freo : had a good backline, a very good midfield but a crap forward line.

 

[killtaker1993]

He eats more donuts and drinks more Coke Zero than Hardwick

 

[Freomaniac]

Not doubting we have fallen short a few times, you need to look at the list we have and it seems it is just short of premiership side. We have a good list but when you look at how the other teams were built, Ken was up against it taking the club over from a bad place and also having all the picks during the rebuilding phase taken up by GC and Giants. The first time our club bottomed out it coincided with the addition of 2 teams in the AFL. Would any other coach done better?

Giants with all there picks had to make a GF and really looks more of a failure than port.
Bulldogs - had some good drafting with F/S players gifted to them, would we look better if we had some father son's like they did.

Looking at Melb, they stuffed up there chance to draft with Brayshaw/Trengrove. But then they had more opportunities to recruit top 5 picks and it shows with petracca, Oliver, Jackson and the recruits of May and Lever were massive. Port hasnt bottomed out to get that generational talent. Ollie wines was the last one.

Ok well I say you are half right and half wrong with this post. You talk about the 1st time your club bottomed out was when Gold coast and GWS came in..... Technically you are wrong.

You look back at certain years...


1997-8. Port were competitive when they started despite lack of concessions.

1999 made finals but didn't have early picks.

2000 finished outside of the top 8. Traded that 1st rounder to get one of the Wakelin twins, turned out to be an excellent move in the end.

2001-5: made top 4 for 4 years In a row. Top in 2002-4. Preliminary finals in 2002-3. Flag in 2004. Made 2 Major trades from 2001-03. Traded a 1st and 2nd to Essendon to get Damien Hardwick. Then another season traded a 1st and 2nd rounder to North Melbourne to get Byron Pickett.

Made finals in 2005 beating freo in the final round and beat north in an Elim final.

2006: 8 wins 14 defeats and 12th. Did well in this draft. Boak, Krakouer, westoff, Gray and Stewart. 4 out of those 5 played 10 years at port. Nathan Krakouer did 4 years and was traded.

2007: Port made finals. Got top 2 with 15 wins and 7 defeats. Beat west coast in the qualifying final. Beat north In that preliminary final. We all know about the grand final vs the cats.

Choco Williams was out of contract at the end of 2007, signs a 2 year extension at $500,000 a year

2008-12: dropped down to the bottom 4 in 2008. Old guys from that 2001-5 finals era started to leave.

2009: port Adelaide struggled again. Didn't make finals.

Despite this, Mark Choco Williams signed a 2 year deal on only $250,000 a year a pay cut of 50% from 2 years ago.

2010: port Adelaide were 5-2 after 7 games and beat The crows in the showdown. Port only won 1 more game under choco and he is sacked or told to leave. Matty Primus takes over as interim coach for the rest of the season. Port wins 4 of the next 7 games.

2011: Port were ok for the 1st few games. Then beats the crows in the showdown. They then back it up with a loss to the sun's. Port are a shambles and ends up 3-19.

2012: port are slightly better. Primus was sacked after that infamous loss to the Giants. Port ended up 14th with 5 wins and a draw.

You claimed your team's rebuilding phase started when sun's came into the comp and had most of the picks in that 2010 draft. Nope the rebuild came after that 2008 season when port Adelaide were bottom 4. Got Hartlett at pick 4.

In the 2009 draft, your team had picks 8, 9 and 16. And stuffed All 3 picks . John Butcher was one, Jasper pittard was another. I don't know who the 3rd man was.

 

[ferrisb]

He eats more donuts and drinks more Coke Zero than Hardwick

But also abuses and threatens fewer VFL players...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Choco Williams was out of contract at the end of 2007, signs a 2 year extension at n the 2009 draft, your team had picks 8, 9 and 16. And stuffed All 3 picks . John Butcher was one, Jasper pittard was another. I don't know who the 3rd man was.

Andrew Moore

 

[Havoc]

But also abuses and threatens fewer VFL players...

Ken Hinkley doesn't care to even attend SANFL matches. Port would kill for someone with the passion of Hardwick to coach them.

 

[Pappagallo]

But also abuses and threatens fewer VFL players...

Counterpoint: Hinkley would’ve put down more underperforming greyhounds than Hardwick.

 

[JimmyBC]

Port would kill for someone with the passion of Hardwick to coach them.

Yep love him.

 

[Havoc]

Yep love him.

Not having a ruck all year hasn't helped Ken but he's been there 10 years. Koch really should have written up a succession plan this year, like how Eddie wrote up a succession plan for Malthouse, after Malthouse had been at Collingwood for 10 years with no silverware to show for his tenure.

 

[evo]

Counterpoint: Hinkley would’ve put down more underperforming greyhounds than Hardwick.

Also has the wood on Hardwick in the necking Coke Zero stakes.

 

[Havoc]

Also has the wood on Hardwick in the necking Coke Zero stakes.

I've never seen Hardwick smile after a loss while I've seen Ken smile after a loss multiple times, so Ken has him covered there as well.

 

[JimmyBC]

I've never seen Hardwick smile after a loss while I've seen Ken smile after a loss multiple times, so Ken has him covered there as well.

I'm glad an opposition supporter has noticed this he does it all the time it's infuriating.

 

[JimmyBC]

Not having a ruck all year hasn't helped Ken.

That's a furphy we won 5 from 7 when we played Sam Hayes it's just another cop out given air by the clueless media.

 

[melanChronic]

Not having a ruck all year hasn't helped Ken but he's been there 10 years. Koch really should have written up a succession plan this year, like how Eddie wrote up a succession plan for Malthouse, after Malthouse had been at Collingwood for 10 years with no silverware to show for his tenure.

The media really shouldn't be giving him this out:

• this is the third time in Hinkley's tenure that a year has been torpedoed at least partly due to ruck issues, so its not something he's unfamiliar with or can be excused from seeing coming.
• the club has actively traded out high performing ruckmen Ryder and Ladhams over the last few years for peanuts.
• the reason for trading out Ladhams was that we had a young ruck in Sam Hayes ready to go. Hinkley has refused to play him for large parts of the year despite being available and showing promise during our run of good form earlier in the season.

The coach just hates playing and developing young talls, holding them to standards that aren't required for other players. It's been one of the most frustrating parts of being a Port supporter over the last 5-6 years.