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Mr Eagle thats certainly true...He was a very depressing bastard at post match media conferences..all doom and gloom..all.."lets play the kids". Never..next week we'll have a chance cause....!
 
Originally posted by suzi_olsen
What happened with Judgey was the fact that he was coaching Hawthorn until he had a falling out with the Hawthorn Board. His confidence was shot by the time he went to coach the Eagles.
The Eagles board were on his back at all times. Then he was sacked at the end of the year.

He won't coach anyone else.

I think that the Eagles supporters are partially to blame here.
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The Hawthorn board were divided, but the majority wanted to sack him because in 4 years he had achieved nothing.

The Eagles board (in the biggest mistake in recent club history) headhunted him, thinking he would have learnt from the Hawthorn experience.

The Eagles board were very good to Judge and let him run his own race for a year and a half, but bravely saw that they had made a terrible mistake. They tried to help him in many ways, but, as you would know too well suzi being a close personal friend, with Judgey it's "my way or the highway" - he just wouldn't accept help.

The Eagles supporters were remarkably supportive in the circumstances. Nothing like the Swans supporters of recent days, or Carlton, or Richmond etc.

KJ knows his footy, but he simply doesn't have the management skills to cut it in modern footy. He lost the players, the fans and the Board. He tried his best, but he was in the wrong job.
 

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Originally posted by bunsen burner


It wasn't us who was stalking him.
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What??

Now that's gotta be a lie BB.

Every time I was on the old forum you and your fellow supporters were bagging the living crap out of him.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :eek:
 
KJ

We know is wasn't KJ's fault Suzi - IT WAS YOURS. You had to keep sending him SMS's and telling him what was wrong. Then you would keep ringing him and the poor man didn't have time to coach with all the information you were giving him!
 
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Originally posted by Raelene
We know is wasn't KJ's fault Suzi - IT WAS YOURS. You had to keep sending him SMS's and telling him what was wrong. Then you would keep ringing him and the poor man didn't have time to coach with all the information you were giving him!
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No it wasn't my fault that he got the sack.

He didn't have the confidence with his coaching due to the long injury list which you lot had last year.
 
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Originally posted by suzi_olsen

No it wasn't my fault that he got the sack.

He didn't have the confidence with his coaching due to the long injury list which you lot had last year.
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He had the confidence after the home game against Port two years ago to bag his whole squad as 'poor' and claim that he was 'the man for the job' but could only work with what he had inherited.

He inherited a team that played finals footy for ten years and in his first game were outstanding against premiers Essendon, showing he had a quality squad. What then happened was a demise created firstly by a ridiculous pre-season work load that had players exhausted before round 11, negativity from Judge and the players losing confidence in him and showing it in their attitude on the pitch......remember Gehrig's disinterested displays.

I will always remember the Judge era as an example of just how important a coach is. He was IMO the worst to ever coach AFL, and I thought Toddy and Neesham would never be surpassed.
 
John Todd Took The Eagles to the finals in his first season. Neesham would have taken the Dockers there by now if he had been retained. Brad Hardie, while admittedly no Eagles Fan, said he reckoned Toddy got the Rawest deal ever in the AFL - at least until Malcolm Blight last year.

Oh btw, it was North Melbourne, not Essendon.
 
To me the WAFL was equivalent to soccers third division versus the VFL being the premiership league.
To take a third division coach and expect them to mix it with the best of the premier league coaches would take a lot of luck unless the coach had previously been groomed in the premier league. Todd and Neesham were, IMO, no hopers in AFL ranks albeit good WAFL coaches, in fact I would say that Todd hadd little between his ears.....similar to Tony Shaw.
Judge had some grooming at Hawthorn but his problems were not picked up at interview. I often wonder how much his cast iron guarantee of WCE signing Chick with Judge as coach influened the board.
 
Every time I was on the old forum you and your fellow supporters were bagging the living crap out of him
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I would like to claim the title of being the first one to bag the man. :) I first bagged him even before he took over the coaching position at our club. I couldn't believe the Eagles board had offered him the job when he was already a below average coach at Hawthorn with a pitiful 30 something winning percentage! Then I wanted him to be sacked in his second game of the the 2000 season. That day we played terrible footy against Sydney and I immediatelly knew the season 2000 would be a very long year. Well... the two years he was there it looked like an eternity to me!
 
Originally posted by Geonet
Every time I was on the old forum you and your fellow supporters were bagging the living crap out of him

I would like to claim the title of being the first one to bag the man. :) I first bagged him even before he took over the coaching position at our club. I couldn't believe the Eagles board had offered him the job when he was already a below average coach at Hawthorn with a pitiful 30 something winning percentage! Then I wanted him to be sacked in his second game of the the 2000 season. That day we played terrible footy against Sydney and I immediatelly knew the season 2000 would be a very long year. Well... the two years he was there it looked like an eternity to me!
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Damn you! It took me at least six weeks into 2000 to start calling for his scalp:D

A toast, to two clubs, Hawthorn and West Coast, both of which are much better off without Judge!
 
I have a confession to make...I absolutely bawled when Mick announced that he was leaving. I just kept thinking..it will never be the same without him. I feel I was right for the last 2 seasons. I now think that things are going better than great and that we are watching a group of youngsters that are going to give us some premierships and perhaps our first brownlow! Geez Im glad we got rid of KJ
 

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Originally posted by carlyp
Were to blame suzi????????? How else would you take it when your team is one of the superior clubs in the comp, makes finals every year and then some stupid ******** comes to our club and ruins our team!!
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Fair go!

You'd have to blame Malthouse before Judge for that one. From 1995 onwards the Eagles were barely making-up the numbers in the finals and were playing some very dull football to boot. Mick was exceedingly ordinary in those later years and pretty much fiddled while Rome began to burn around him. He knew he was in trouble and ran off to Collingwood to leave the hard stuff to some other poor sap. West Coast are heading in the right direction now, but they still have some work to do yet. They are as bad away from Perth as they are good in it. They'll have some hang-ups before the year's out and are not certainties to make the eight just yet. They have some good young talent, but the problem with good young talent is that it has a tendency to go up and down a bit in the early days. I don't know if Judge is good as a coach or not, simply because he's always had an absolute dog of a hand to play with when he's been in charge of a side.

Kevin
 
Originally posted by CyberKev
West Coast are heading in the right direction now, but they still have some work to do yet. They are as bad away from Perth as they are good in it.
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Yeah but look who we've had to verse away from home:

Collingwood (currently 5th) - lost by a point
Melbourne (currently 6th)
Port Adelaide (currently 2nd)
Richmond (currently 11th)

not exactly "easy" teams to beat at home are they? After versing St Kilda, Carlton and Geelong away, we'll have a better indication on how WC plays away.
 
I'm one for the Paul Keating 'recession we had to have'.

KJ got a team that were on the way down, and wasn't good enough to stop that slide. I don't even think Woosha could have stopped it, although I don't think we would have had some of those floggings.

The timing has been perfect. We had the recession we had to have. Woosha took over when the only way was up. KJ was the fall guy, Woosha is the hero.

Things are good now, so I don't know why people regret having KJ. Maybe if we went for another coach, we may have performed better in the last two years and may have missed the opportunity to grab Woosha and kept on with mediocrity.

KJ may have been shi t, but he served his purpose. I haven't been this optimistic about the Eagles since '97 when it was obvious that we were a club in decline. Back then, I couldn't see the Eagles getting any betterwithin the next few seasons. We are now a club on the rise which makes it exciting to watch the Eagles play. We could be premiership material within two years. Not something that could have been said since 96.
 
Originally posted by CyberKev


Fair go!

You'd have to blame Malthouse before Judge for that one. From 1995 onwards the Eagles were barely making-up the numbers in the finals and were playing some very dull football to boot. Mick was exceedingly ordinary in those later years and pretty much fiddled while Rome began to burn around him. He knew he was in trouble and ran off to Collingwood to leave the hard stuff to some other poor sap. West Coast are heading in the right direction now, but they still have some work to do yet. They are as bad away from Perth as they are good in it. They'll have some hang-ups before the year's out and are not certainties to make the eight just yet. They have some good young talent, but the problem with good young talent is that it has a tendency to go up and down a bit in the early days. I don't know if Judge is good as a coach or not, simply because he's always had an absolute dog of a hand to play with when he's been in charge of a side.

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Kev...atleast Micky got us to finals...better than KJ ever did! I dont think we would have slipped as much with Micky as coach!
 

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