Kennett the Fashionista

[SuperMal]

It actually takes a very biased person to agree on those “observations”. The biases specifically being:

• white people should naturally assume aboriginal people cannot take a joke (anyone who knows aboriginal people knows this is BS)
• the context of “power and privilege” is present in every single interaction in life, and the “haves” should tread very very carefully even when talking to other “haves”

You’re looking at my finger while I’m pointing at the moon.

Enjoy revelling in your pedanticism, while completely avoiding dealing with reality.

Bye.

 

[SuperMal]

You're one of those people who look at a bowl of fruit painting then stand there for 10 minutes telling everyone how it means countless other "alternate meanings" rather than it's just a painting of a bowl of fruit.

What don’t you get about my post?

It’s a simple illustration of why and how the Riolis feel disenfranchised...and why a ‘gag’ like Jeff’s will not be taken well.

If thats too intellectual for you, I’ll try to bring my crayons next time.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not in this thread it would seem.

Haven’t read the whole way through, but I can imagine.

 

[GWT6]

Hawthorn supporters during the drug saga: Caro is just telling the truth. Award winning journalist and paragon of professionalism.

Hawthorn supporters during their racism saga: Caro is a muck raking gossip columnist writing fiction akin to JK Rowling. I haven't read anything of hers since the drug saga.

Melbourne supporters were the same during the tanking days - "Caro hates us and is making s**t up.....but she's right on every other club"

 

[MF]

prejudice against people based on their race

would that not be racism

Definition of RACISM

a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race; also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

looking at the definition I don't see how this is diluting the meaning of the work, what do you disagree with about the below

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Nothing wrong with that definition. It seems it has been updated recently. As of 2 years ago though the definition included this part which based on the definition of prejudice could mean that any preconceived notion based on race would be considered racism. I no longer have a problem with the definition of the word based on the updates.

Definition of racism
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b: a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Based on the definition of racism in 2022, I would argue every human being alive is racist, not just the entire HFC

i made some poached eggs with smoked salmon on toast this morning... where do i sit so far today on the scale?

 

[ElectricG]

You’re looking at my finger while I’m pointing at the moon.

Enjoy revelling in your pedanticism, while completely avoiding dealing with reality.

Bye.

Pedanticism? Give me a break. If you think there are racial considerations to be made before making a joke about designer tears, then you’re dealing with something very far removed from reality.

 

[SuperMal]

Pedanticism? Give me a break. If you think there are racial considerations to be made before making a joke about designer tears, then you’re dealing with something very far removed from reality.

You can try to dumb it down to a ‘dad joke’ if you wish - but most intelligent people know that making a joke at someone’s expense is always risky.

If you think handing someone $200 to go buy something more appropriate, is in anyway funny, is in any way not likely to humiliate a young woman from a disadvantaged background...its your perceptions that are aberrant.....but I think we already knew that from your lame obfuscation over the most well understood and accepted social dynamics.

I knew when I posted there’d be one sad individual who had to try and pick holes in the simplest and most easily understood summary of the difficulties experienced by minorities every day.

But no.....you dismiss genuine social behaviours as ‘Racist absurdities’...and being unable to even explain why....you then disingenuously try to make it about her being ‘hypersensitive’ to a ‘joke’...& make hysterical statements about everyone employing ‘racist joke filters’.

Here’s the mail......You’re not clever..you’re not challenging...you’ve proven nothing.....except that you don’t think people should be treated with respect......you think bullying is funny....and you work hard at being a boringly contentious individual.

 

[ElectricG]

You can try to dumb it down to a ‘dad joke’ if you wish - but most intelligent people know that making a joke at someone’s expense is always risky.

If you think handing someone $200 to go buy something more appropriate, is in anyway funny, is in any way not likely to humiliate a young woman from a disadvantaged background...its your perceptions that are aberrant.....but I think we already knew that from your lame obfuscation over the most well understood and accepted social dynamics.

I knew when I posted there’d be one sad individual who had to try and pick holes in the simplest and most easily understood summary of the difficulties experienced by minorities every day.

But no.....you dismiss genuine social behaviours as ‘Racist absurdities’...and being unable to even explain why....you then disingenuously try to make it about her being ‘hypersensitive’ to a ‘joke’...& make hysterical statements about everyone employing ‘racist joke filters’.

Here’s the mail......You’re not clever..you’re not challenging...you’ve proven nothing.....except that you don’t think people should be treated with respect......you think bullying is funny....and you work hard at being a boringly contentious individual.

Okay, clearly I am dealing with an intellectual giant here. You have rightly put me in my place - clearly it’s only a severely handicapped minority who can’t see why a joke about someone’s jeans is racist (even when the joke could be made about someone of any background it would be the same). Maybe you can publish a paper in the Journal of Sociology called something like “A Qualitative Analysis On Societal Influences on Public Meltdowns From Footy Wags In Airports”.

Being serious, though. The Joke isn’t racist. What else can be said? It is not racist, you KNOW it’s not racist. To say it’s inoffensive isn’t some glib “clever” contrarianism - you’re trying to be clever by putting an academic gloss on an individual’s enormous capacity for offence-taking. It’s just the very very obvious truth of the matter. Most commenters on this website would be socialised enough to know there aren’t people of any background who are that thin-skinned.

 

[SuperMal]

Okay, clearly I am dealing with an intellectual giant here. You have rightly put me in my place - clearly it’s only a severely handicapped minority who can’t see why a joke about someone’s jeans is racist (even when the joke could be made about someone of any background it would be the same). Maybe you can publish a paper in the Journal of Sociology called something like “A Qualitative Analysis On Societal Influences on Public Meltdowns From Footy Wags In Airports”.

Being serious, though. The Joke isn’t racist. What else can be said? It is not racist, you KNOW it’s not racist. To say it’s inoffensive isn’t some glib “clever” contrarianism - you’re trying to be clever by putting an academic gloss on an individual’s enormous capacity for offence-taking. It’s just the very very obvious truth of the matter. Most commenters on this website would be socialised enough to know there aren’t people of any background who are that thin-skinned.

The very fact you can’t differentiate between direct racism and cultural/social insensitivity is all you need to understand.

Go away.

 

[ElectricG]

The very fact you can’t differentiate between direct racism and cultural/social insensitivity is all you need to understand.

Go away.

I am not the one calling it racist. It’s the Rioli family and people commenting here. Yes or no, is the joke racist?

 

[Gralin]

I am not the one calling it racist. It’s the Rioli family and people commenting here. Yes or no, is the joke racist?

Did the Rioli's call the comments Jeff made racist or did they call the response from the club racist or both?

 

[brmi]

I am not the one calling it racist. It’s the Rioli family and people commenting here. Yes or no, is the joke racist?

The joke is NOT racist. It's a joke about a piece of clothing. Anyone claiming the joke is racist is delusional and is actually part of the problem causing unnecessary cultural divide.

It must be hard for SuperMal to live a life being so pure, how do you get by day to day being perpetually offended?

 

[ElectricG]

Did the Rioli's call the comments Jeff made racist or did they call the response from the club racist or both?

They cited it as the last straw in a series of racist incidents.

 

[Gralin]

They cited it as the last straw in a series of racist incidents.

Yes I've read the article.
I'm asking you which you think it is

 

[ElectricG]

Yes I've read the article.
I'm asking you which you think it is

People commenting here have said it’s racist. The Riolis at the very least insinuated it was racist, and said telling her to calm down was related to her race.

 

[Gralin]

People commenting here have said it’s racist. The Riolis at the very least insinuated it was racist, and said telling her to calm down was related to her race.

Not talking about people on here.

Talking about what the Rioli's saw as racism, because you mentioned them as if their view was up for debate.

It doesn't matter if some random on a forum agrees or disagrees with them.

The people that were there and actually experienced the events, are you arguing against that?

 

[ElectricG]

Not talking about people on here.

Talking about what the Rioli's saw as racism, because you mentioned them as if their view was up for debate.

It doesn't matter if some random on a forum agrees or disagrees with them.

The people that were there and actually experienced the events, are you arguing against that?

of course it’s up for debate ??

 

[Gralin]

of course it’s up for debate ??

So the good old white people getting to tell Black people it wasn't racist thing?

 

[ElectricG]

So the good old white people getting to tell Black people it wasn't racist thing?

What are you saying? That a claim of racism cannot be illegitimate?

 

[Evolved1]

So the good old white people getting to tell Black people it wasn't racist thing?

It's only racist if Jeff makes that joke to black people but not white people. According to the article, "Kennett reiterated that his airport comment to Shannyn regarding her jeans was similar to jokes he had made many times previously with many other people."

Culturally insensitive is a more accurate claim.

 

[Gralin]

What are you saying? That a claim of racism cannot be illegitimate?

I'm saying people put a lot of effort into dismissing claims of racism and I think suggesting the Rioli's don't know when they are experiencing racism is how white Australia keeps the narrative that there is nothing wrong going

 

[Gralin]

It's only racist if Jeff makes that joke to black people but not white people. According to the article, "Kennett reiterated that his airport comment to Shannyn regarding her jeans was similar to jokes he had made many times previously with many other people."

Culturally insensitive is a more accurate claim.

The response from Kennet and the club re angry black woman was to me racist

There was a lot in that article, I don't really think the focus should be on whether the joke was racist or not, there was plenty that clearly was

 

[ElectricG]

I'm saying people put a lot of effort into dismissing claims of racism and I think suggesting the Rioli's don't know when they are experiencing racism is how white Australia keeps the narrative that there is nothing wrong going

When this designer jeans incident is the primary driver for this “Hawthorn is racist” campaign, to me it’s obvious that this is fraudulent. I think they have seen some benefit in employing the Lumumba framework and are just rolling with that. After all, pushing back in any way is racist in itself apparently.

 

[Gralin]

When this designer jeans incident is the primary driver for this “Hawthorn is racist” campaign, to me it’s obvious that this is fraudulent. I think they have seen some benefit in employing the Lumumba framework and are just rolling with that. After all, pushing back in any way is racist in itself apparently.

That's what you've taken from the article?