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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Yeah, but Dixon was his opponent! :eek:

Hentschel, Smart or Bassett would do a better job that Dixon who is not a KPP or a defender!
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Firstly neither of those players have the engine to go with Brown and secondly neither are strong enough to go with him. Sorry Kane but either of those blokes you mentioned on Brown is as bad a match up as Perrie/Bassett on Lynch one out of the square.

Smart is past his best and is not up to big jobs anymore. Brown would chew Bassett up and spit him out in th process. Hentschel would get a shallacking that he would NEVER recover from.
 
Originally posted by macca23
Just to prove your point Brown had 24 disposals from CHF tonight - 17 of them coming from marks. That's awesome!!
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Now thats what I am talking about. That is mighty impressive by anyones standards. Wayne Carey in his prime would be bloody proud of that performance.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Now thats what I am talking about. That is mighty impressive by anyones standards. Wayne Carey in his prime would be bloody proud of that performance.
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... on Dixon who is not a KPP or a defender! No wonder it has Robert Wall's blessing. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Stopping Lynch can't be that hard. Leave Kenny one on one with Lynch and he will still kick 5. The defensive strategy is all wrong.
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How do you know Lynch would kick 5 goals on Kenny when they have never played on each other...
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
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One of the biggest mistakes we allow Brisbane is to leave their forward line wide open and plenty of space for Lych to run into. Play a ruckman in front of Lynch where the space is and he will not be nearly as effective as he has been.
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That says it all Stiffy. The sides that do contain Lynch have no better players there - just a structure to clog it in front of Lynch.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stiffy, answer this simple question - Who causes Adelaide more grief - Lynch or Brown? No contest really!!! ;)
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Lych because kenny has kept Brown quiet.

BUT its not as simple as that. Take a bit deeper look inot our defensive structure when Lych kicked those goals. Open forward line with Lynch one out with his opponent. That is no way to play Lynch. We play dumb footy thats why he kicks a bag every time.

Put Kenny on Lynch one out in the open forward line and the results will be the same plus on top of that you would have Brown running around causing migranes.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
... on Dixon who is not a KPP or a defender! No wonder it has Robert Wall's blessing. :rolleyes:
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I honestly don't think Bassett, Smart on hentschel would do any better than Dixon. Neither of those is really a KPP apart from Hentschel who is way too inexperienced and not aerobically fit enough to run with Brown.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
How do you know Lynch would kick 5 goals on Kenny when they have never played on each other...
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Kane, No one and I mean NO ONE will beat Lych one out of the goal square in the open forward line. Maybe Mal Michael but he would have more than his hands full as well.

As I said fir the upteenth time its not necessarily amtach up its the backline structure that fails. We allow Lynch FAR too much room to move. Restrict the space where he can move and he will NOT kick a bag.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I honestly don't think Bassett, Smart on hentschel would do any better than Dixon. Neither of those is really a KPP apart from Hentschel who is way too inexperienced and not aerobically fit enough to run with Brown.
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Haha, you must be kidding Stiffy. It would be like the Crows sticking Welsh on Brown. All the players mentioned have a better capability of playing CHB than Dixon ... otherwise I may as well give up commenting on footy!
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Lych because kenny has kept Brown quiet.

BUT its not as simple as that. Take a bit deeper look inot our defensive structure when Lych kicked those goals. Open forward line with Lynch one out with his opponent. That is no way to play Lynch. We play dumb footy thats why he kicks a bag every time.

Put Kenny on Lynch one out in the open forward line and the results will be the same plus on top of that you would have Brown running around causing migranes.
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If Kenny was injured, I would put money on Lynch doing more damage than Brown. Lynch is always the matchwinner against the Crow & hence should get our #1 defender. If Brown then runs amok, you can always make a move. Brown has never done anywhere the damage Lynch has against us. Also, need someone with strength against Lynch. Whereas Brown need a more mobile type, as he doesn't get most of his marks from out-bodying his opponent.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Haha, you must be kidding Stiffy. It would be like the Crows sticking Welsh on Brown. All the players mentioned have a better capability of playing CHB than Dixon ... otherwise I may as well give up commenting on footy!
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I will say it again:

Bassett - not a KPP. He is not strong enough nor does he have the engine to go with Brown. Brown would chew him up then spit him out.

Smart - way past his best and is not up to big jobs anymore. Reiwoldt game him a bath and Browny is better runner and much stronger than Reiwoldt. Smart is now best suited as a runnign HBF. Smart at his best (or 2 years ago) yes but Smart of 2004 no way.

Hentschel - might go with him for a quarter but would get slaughtered then. He is not tight enough, not strong enough, not fit enough nor experienced enough to play on Brown.


I get the feeling you seriously underrate how good Brown really is. The best bet we would have against Brisbane is to play Kenny on Brown, Biglands on Lych (as he has the streght to go with him) and clog up the backline as much as we possibly can and a ruckman dropping back in front of Lynch and either marking the ball or thumping the crap out of it.

Anything else and the results will be exactly the same as they have been in the past few years.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I will say it again:

Bassett - not a KPP. He is not strong enough nor does he have the engine to go with Brown. Brown would chew him up then spit him out.

Smart - way past his best and is not up to big jobs anymore. Reiwoldt game him a bath and Browny is better runner and much stronger than Reiwoldt. Smart is now best suited as a runnign HBF. Smart at his best (or 2 years ago) yes but Smart of 2004 no way.

Hentschel - might go with him for a quarter but would get slaughtered then. He is not tight enough, not strong enough, not fit enough nor experienced enough to play on Brown.


I get the feeling you seriously underrate how good Brown really is. The best bet we would have against Brisbane is to play Kenny on Brown, Biglands on Lych (as he has the streght to go with him) and clog up the backline as much as we possibly can and a ruckman dropping back in front of Lynch and either marking the ball or thumping the crap out of it.

Anything else and the results will be exactly the same as they have been in the past few years.
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1. Bassett, Smart & Henschel all have better credentials for playing CHB than Dixon. Are you seriously suggesting otherwise?

2. Don't get me wrong, I rate Brown as the 2nd best CHF in the AFL, but Lynch causes us more damage than Brown. Again, do you think otherwise?
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
1. Bassett, Smart & Henschel all have better credentials for playing CHB than Dixon. Are you seriously suggesting otherwise?

2. Don't get me wrong, I rate Brown as the 2nd best CHF in the AFL, but Lynch causes us more damage than Brown. Again, do you think otherwise?
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I don't think you are looking at this deep enough.

1. Bassett on Brown would be a MURDER. Smart is WAY past his best and is not up to big jobs anymore so yes on the basis of that he wouldn't be much better. We all saw what Riewoldt did to him in a space of 5 minutes. Brown is much harder match up because he has bigger engine than Nick and is physically more imposing. Hentschel in time could do the job but he would be left for dead by Brown's far superior aerobic capacity. Hentschel doesn't play tight enough and can lose his opponent in traffic pretty easily. That will improve over time BUT at this point in time Brown would KILL him.

2. Yes Lynch causes us more damage than Brown but I keep asking you why and you haven't aswered my question.
 
Sounds like the shuffling of chairs on the Titanic.
Truth is we don't have enough quality KPP to play on the premier AFL teams.
I include the Saints, as they have beat us 3 of the last 4 times, because we cannot matchup on their proliferation of talls.
 
Here's an unusual suggestion - Ricciuto on Lynch.

Before you cry blue murder, yes I know it would rape the midfield, but consider that Ricciuto is an absolute tank. He would no doubt be close to, if not stronger, than Lynch.

He is giving away height, but he would have the pace to go with him and we know he has strong hands.

It's out of leftfield, but Lynch's strength in the one-on-ones is his key play.
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
Here's an unusual suggestion - Ricciuto on Lynch.

Before you cry blue murder, yes I know it would rape the midfield, but consider that Ricciuto is an absolute tank. He would no doubt be close to, if not stronger, than Lynch.

He is giving away height, but he would have the pace to go with him and we know he has strong hands.

It's out of leftfield, but Lynch's strength in the one-on-ones is his key play.
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Have no doubt that match-up would work.
But would probably rob our midfield - Ayres has always shown a preference for offensive action rather than defensive.
 
What if we were to drop a key defender (bye bye Bassett boy) and bring in an extra midfielder to compensate?
 
Originally posted by spindoctor
What if we were to drop a key defender (bye bye Bassett boy) and bring in an extra midfielder to compensate?
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If Goodwin was available that could be an option, but we are getting pretty thin in the cupboard of topline midfielders, even when Roo is in the midfield.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Sounds like the shuffling of chairs on the Titanic.
Truth is we don't have enough quality KPP to play on the premier AFL teams.
I include the Saints, as they have beat us 3 of the last 4 times, because we cannot matchup on their proliferation of talls.
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Yet you would be willing to trade one player that we can always count on for a risky draft pick.;)
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't think you are looking at this deep enough.

1. Bassett on Brown would be a MURDER. Smart is WAY past his best and is not up to big jobs anymore so yes on the basis of that he wouldn't be much better. We all saw what Riewoldt did to him in a space of 5 minutes. Brown is much harder match up because he has bigger engine than Nick and is physically more imposing. Hentschel in time could do the job but he would be left for dead by Brown's far superior aerobic capacity. Hentschel doesn't play tight enough and can lose his opponent in traffic pretty easily. That will improve over time BUT at this point in time Brown would KILL him.

2. Yes Lynch causes us more damage than Brown but I keep asking you why and you haven't aswered my question.
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Believe me Stiffy, I have thought about this heaps. We should always attempt to nullify the player who does causes the most damage, which you agree is Lynch. When did you last see someone outbody Kenny? Whilst Brown is strong, he gets most of his marks on a lead or flying back in a pack (ie. not so like Lynch who uses his strength much of the time). Hentschel could the go or the Hound if he were in form.
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Believe me Stiffy, I have thought about this heaps. We should always attempt to nullify the player who does causes the most damage, which you agree is Lynch. When did you last see someone outbody Kenny? Whilst Brown is strong, he gets most of his marks on a lead or flying back in a pack (ie. not so like Lynch who uses his strength much of the time). Hentschel could the go or the Hound if he were in form.
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I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one ;)
 
WTF? Jon Brown is a man mountain...he is plenty strong and takes plenty of contested marks...
 

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