Kernahan Vs Dunstall

[Jimthegreat]

Herald sun Top 200 footballers of the Century In 99, I still have the 5 part series- not a bad read.

Top 20 were
1 Leigh Matthews
2.Ted Whitten
3.Gary Ablett
4.Polly Farmer
5.Wayne Carey
6.Ian Stewart
7.John Coleman
8.Tony Lockett
9.John Nicholls
10.Haydn Bunton
11.Alex Jesaulenko
12.Royce Hart
13.Di.ck Reynolds
14.Jason Dunstall
15.Gordon Coventry
16.Bob Skilton
17.Darrel Baldock
18.Peter Hudson
19.Bob Pratt
20.Malcom Blight.

Kernahan was ranked no.31, Dermie similar. I'm biased, I had Jezza as the best I've seen. The best FF I"ve seen was Hudson, no doubt in my mind. They was no just getting 100 in his case, he got huge ones, like 140's and a 150 a few years in a row. A freak.

 

[Hawkk]

Herald sun Top 200 footballers of the Century In 99, I still have the 5 part series- not a bad read.

Top 20 were
1 Leigh Matthews
2.Ted Whitten
3.Gary Ablett
4.Polly Farmer
5.Wayne Carey
6.Ian Stewart
7.John Coleman
8.Tony Lockett
9.John Nicholls
10.Haydn Bunton
11.Alex Jesaulenko
12.Royce Hart
13.Di.ck Reynolds
14.Jason Dunstall
15.Gordon Coventry
16.Bob Skilton
17.Darrel Baldock
18.Peter Hudson
19.Bob Pratt
20.Malcom Blight.

Great read -I also still have it, they also did series on the different clubs in the AFL.

 

[elgranto]

sticks was the best forward i have ever seen, in my opinion. statistics say otherwise, but stats say border, lara & steve waugh are the greatest batsmen ever to play test cricket.

sticks was a great at carlton every year he was there and still doing a lot for the club. he also stood up when carlton had lean time in the 89-92 era.

and if sticks had earl spalding at chf all his career and had williams in the middle the whole time, he would have kicked 1000 goals without question.

 

[Silvagnis]

Kernahan was always known for his mongrel drop punts, and it wasn't against the bulldogs it was against the Hawks.

Who it was against is irrelevent chimp so smarten up a bit! Sticks is more well known for his goal against North that gave us top spot and being an alltime great.

WOW, Bobby davis

Legend and not a wannabe troll like yourself.

Wrong during the 90's you made 2 grandfinals while kernahan was playing and you consistently had a good side, Hawthorn didnt, Dunstall was the one that single handedly propelled us into finals and won games with our ordinary and ageing list.

Wrong Einstein, Carlton were hopeless between 89 and 91, sacked two coaches and once scored one goal against Footscray thanks to Arceri.

This was done in 99, It was a 5 part series, when both players had already retired, the results would still be the same. Dunstall was and still will be credited as the better player.

Wrong, CHFs like Sticks are better players who can play full forward and Dunstall would struggle to play in Sticks' position.

Yes he is. its already been done.
Dunstall the 14th best player of all time.
Kernahan the 31st, behind Dermie.

According to the Herald-Sun right?

Goals scored don't mean anything because Sticks would have killed it in Hawthorn's sides.Using your argument Sav Rocca is a better player than Carey because he's scored more goals.

 

[dipper86]

Who it was against is irrelevent chimp so smarten up a bit! Sticks is more well known for his goal against North that gave us top spot and being an alltime great.

if you state something about your club atleast get it right, dont be upset. i know you feel like a fool.

Legend and not a wannabe troll like yourself.

what ever helps you sleep at night little boy.

Wrong Einstein, Carlton were hopeless between 89 and 91, sacked two coaches and once scored one goal against Footscray thanks to Arceri.

wow, for 2 year in the 90's. Hmm where was Kernahan on that day against Footscray.
Dunstall carried the side from 92 to 98 with an ageing list, playing in an ordinary side.

Wrong, CHFs like Sticks are better players who can play full forward and Dunstall would struggle to play in Sticks' position.

No he isn't Dunstall was a better all round forward, he kicked more goals taken more marks had greater personal achievments, and won more matches of his own boot than sticks.

According to the Herald-Sun right?

According to 13 football journalists and x-players, yep that right an unbiased view, alot more more credibility than you.

Goals scored don't mean anything because Sticks would have killed it in Hawthorn's sides.Using your argument Sav Rocca is a better player than Carey because he's scored more goals.

Its ok we already had a better CHF in Dermie, Fact is Dunstall performed when our team was crap he was still kicking 100 goals a year, twice finishing 2 nd in the brownlow and 3rd on 2 occations, winning 4 best and fairests along the way, with 4 coleman medals and reaching the ton on 6 occassions.

Argh your getting desperate now trying to compare Carey with Sav Rocca to prove me wrong on just a goals argument.


This poll also says otherwise, so far its mainly Carlton supporters voting for sticks, the majority of neutural supporters have been voting Dunstall and also the herald sun addition also gave an unbiased view with there 200 players of the century.

Dunstall 14th
Dermie 30th
and Kernahan 31st.

 

[butchy]

dunstall by an absolute mile!!!
it is no surprise that in the time dunstall was at hawthorn, they had only 2 really bad seasons, 95, and 97.
in both seasons, dunstall hardly played, and when he did, he was hardly fit.
he carried the hawks for 5-6 yrs before he retired.
at the time of injuring his collarbone in 98, dunstall was on track to kick 100 for the year, as well as break coventry's record. in a team as bad as we had in 1998, the fact that he had 50 odd goals after 11 games proves how good he was.
yes, he kicked goals with platten and pritchard drilling him on the **** week in week out, but he also did it with kilmartin and bone as well!!!
he is the best, pound for pound, body on body mark i have ever seen, and was unstoppable on the lead. his accuracy on goal was awesome, and he kicked the goals that had to be kicked (see vs Nth Melb 1993).
people say that is is not hard to kick goals when your team kicks it to you all the time. i disagree. could you imagine the pressure, knowing you were your teams only avenue to goal. not only did he perfom, he did it for 6 years, and in that time, played 3 finals series, in which he got hawthorn to off his own boot.
dunstall, one of the best players to ever play the game.
kernahan, a great to carlton supporters, a good player to most others.

 

[thehoff]

What a joke. Dunstall was actually a talented footballer.

Kernahan used to stick his lanky hands in the air and it would occasionally fall in his arms. Accompanied by shocking foot skills, he then would struggle to consistently kicks goals.

Dunstall had beautiful skills and is on eof the best set shots at goals i have ever seen behind plugger.

 

[superstar]

Dunstall.

Most unselfish and team oriented full forward to play a game and kicked a ********load of goals himself.

 

[Bloods]

What a joke. Dunstall was actually a talented footballer.

Kernahan used to stick his lanky hands in the air and it would occasionally fall in his arms. Accompanied by shocking foot skills, he then would struggle to consistently kicks goals.

I've got Dunstall slightly ahead. But you are being very harsh on Kernahan, he was an absolute superstar. I think you'll find it 'fell into his arms' on a fairly regular basis.

 

[juzza316]

What a joke. Dunstall was actually a talented footballer.

Kernahan used to stick his lanky hands in the air and it would occasionally fall in his arms. Accompanied by shocking foot skills, he then would struggle to consistently kicks goals.

Dunstall had beautiful skills and is on eof the best set shots at goals i have ever seen behind plugger.

He didn't seem to struggle when he booted 5 against your mob of chokers in the 95 GF.

Consistently struggled to kick goals? That is crap! Was head our leading goalkicker in nearly his every year at the blues.

He was also one of the best marks the game has seen, so when you know something about football, maybe post something that has at least a little fact to it.

 

[thehoff]

He was also one of the best marks the game has seen, so when you know something about football, maybe post something that has at least a little fact to it.

Best marks the game has seen?

Have you even seen Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett, Warren Tredrea.... They are good marks of the pills. Kernahan was not one of them.

Then again, i know nothing about football... When did the VFL become national?

 

[aic-poppy]

"Have you even seen Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett, Warren Tredrea.... They are good marks of the pills. Kernahan was not one of them."



You are trying to be funny right? Tredrea himself would be embarressed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Sticks. Although he too has captained a Flag, he is nowhere near the player Kernahan was.

This poll proves to me what i have always known. Supporters of opposition clubs, besides SA footy fans, really dont understand how good Kernahan was.

I would however have Dunstall just ahead, but both superstars of the 80's/90's era. Both consistently ranked in the top 5 in the comp over a long period.

Wrong comparison to be making though.

 

[Bloods]

"Have you even seen Wayne Carey, Gary Ablett, Warren Tredrea.... They are good marks of the pills. Kernahan was not one of them."



You are trying to be funny right? Tredrea himself would be embarressed to be mentioned in the same sentence as Sticks. Although he too has captained a Flag, he is nowhere near the player Kernahan was.

This poll proves to me what i have always known. Supporters of opposition clubs, besides SA footy fans, really dont understand how good Kernahan was.

I would however have Dunstall just ahead, but both superstars of the 80's/90's era. Both consistently ranked in the top 5 in the comp over a long period.

Wrong comparison to be making though.

Agree with all of that. Tredrea is not in the same class as Kernahan.

 

[Silvagnis]

if you state something about your club atleast get it right, dont be upset. i know you feel like a fool.

You're the fool who knows jack.

wow, for 2 year in the 90's. Hmm where was Kernahan on that day against Footscray.

Where was Dunstall against SOS? Doing his knee again!

Dunstall carried the side from 92 to 98 with an ageing list, playing in an ordinary side.

Both carried their side and Kernahan probably kicked and created as many goals from CHF.Dunstall just kicked them after receiving the ball laces out which isn't as hard as playing CHF.

No he isn't Dunstall was a better all round forward, he kicked more goals taken more marks had greater personal achievments, and won more matches of his own boot than sticks.

Right! Playing Full forward is a much harder position and the only place Dunstall could play.If he's beaten he'd be dragged because he can't be moved up the ground.

According to 13 football journalists and x-players, yep that right an unbiased view, alot more more credibility than you.

Revisit your comment about Bob Davis's opinion!

Its ok we already had a better CHF in Dermie, Fact is Dunstall performed when our team was crap he was still kicking 100 goals a year, twice finishing 2 nd in the brownlow and 3rd on 2 occations, winning 4 best and fairests along the way, with 4 coleman medals and reaching the ton on 6 occassions.

How many Coleman's did Carey or Hart win if these awards are so important?

Argh your getting desperate now trying to compare Carey with Sav Rocca to prove me wrong on just a goals argument.

No one's comparing Rocca to Carey but you seem to think kicking more goals and winning Coleman's means you're a better player! In your book Gehrig, Lloyd and Cummings are also better than Sticks because they won the Coleman medal.

This poll also says otherwise, so far its mainly Carlton supporters voting for sticks, the majority of neutural supporters have been voting Dunstall and also the herald sun addition also gave an unbiased view with there 200 players of the century.

Essendon and Collingwood fans voting against the Carlton player with roughly equal Hawks and Blues fans voting for their player.

And Dermott isn't a better player either!

 

[thehoff]

Lucky i am here otherwise this thread would have died a slow death.

For the record, Sticks was a hack!

Dunstall = Legend, not only on the field!

 

[davefromjerra]

No contest. Kernahan was a good player and a great leader but in football ability he was a mile behind Dunstall.

 

[dipper86]

You're the fool who knows jack.

Coming from you!!!, you couldn't even make a statment about your own side correctly.

Where was Dunstall against SOS? Doing his knee again!

And yet he still performed after all his serious injuries, while poor sticks just retired.

Both carried their side and Kernahan probably kicked and created as many goals from CHF.Dunstall just kicked them after receiving the ball laces out which isn't as hard as playing CHF.

Dunstall was one of the most unselfish players of all time, He gave away many goals. and that was one of his main attributes all football followers recognised, except for you ofcourse, your not to bright upstairs when it comes to footy

Right! Playing Full forward is a much harder position and the only place Dunstall could play.If he's beaten he'd be dragged because he can't be moved up the ground.

he never got dragged buddy, even if he wasn't playing well which was rare he always did his bit by freeing up players and setting up goals.
Fact is he was a better overall forward, kicked more goals took more marks etc.

Revisit your comment about Bob Davis's opinion!

Majority have spoken buddy. Many jornalists and ex players all voted Dunstall ahead of sticks.

How many Coleman's did Carey or Hart win if these awards are so important?

That isn't just my argument, we are talking about multiple awards, far greater than sticks has ever achieved.

No one's comparing Rocca to Carey but you seem to think kicking more goals and winning Coleman's means you're a better player! In your book Gehrig, Lloyd and Cummings are also better than Sticks because they won the Coleman medal.

Your comparing them because you brought them up, We are talking about one of the greatest full forwards and players of all time in Dunstall, like i said his coleman wasn't a one off he won countless competitions MVPs, runners up in Brownlow medals on 2 occations etc...
Fact is the majority have spoken, neutral supporters and neutral journalists and ex players have voted Dunstall ahead of sticks.

Essendon and Collingwood fans voting against the Carlton player with roughly equal Hawks and Blues fans voting for their player.

Thats a weak excuse threre buddy, you are desperate.
Its not only Eseendon supporters or Collingwood, its all other neutral teams. Hawthorn aren't exactly favorites of Essendon either,

Go have a look for yourself.

And Dermott isn't a better player either!.

Yep. Dermie was better.

 

[cs61]

Come on... please..... Dunstall obviously.

 

[TuskenRaider]

Yes thats true but not as often as Dunstall did, Kernahans kicking skills didn't exactly help you beat Essendon when all you needed was a point to win the match in the early 90's. and he kicked it out on the full.
Dunstall also had the better skills.

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Being a Hawthorn supporter you probably should remember that the very next week he kicked a goal on the death to sink the Hawks.

It is ridiculous to compare these two players. Dunstall is a legend, as is Kernahan. As people have stated, they played two different positions and were totally different players.

Kernahan was the ideal CHF and Dunstall likewise at FF. The main difference is that you could put Kernahan to FF, I have a strong suspicion that if you put Dunstall out to CHF, he wouldn't have been able to go for more than 5 minutes.

Dunstall was a perfect FF, no doubt. Great mark, great kick.

As for the posters saying Kernahan was an average mark, give it a rest. He was the top mark in the league for quite a few years. His kicking deteriorated towards the end of his career but it was still acceptable and not as bad as people think. The reason we remember his "bad kicking" is that he so often had the ball in his hands at the end of a close game - a sure sign of a gun player.

Once again, club loyalties cloud people's small minds.

 

[dipper86]

Being a Hawthorn supporter you probably should remember that the very next week he kicked a goal on the death to sink the Hawks.

If you bothered to read further on i had already mentioned that. but that still does not change the fact that his goal kicking was not as reliable as Dunstall's.

It is ridiculous to compare these two players. Dunstall is a legend, as is Kernahan. As people have stated, they played two different positions and were totally different players.

Kernahan was the ideal CHF and Dunstall likewise at FF. The main difference is that you could put Kernahan to FF, I have a strong suspicion that if you put Dunstall out to CHF, he wouldn't have been able to go for more than 5 minutes.

Dunstall was a perfect FF, no doubt. Great mark, great kick.

As for the posters saying Kernahan was an average mark, give it a rest. He was the top mark in the league for quite a few years. His kicking deteriorated towards the end of his career but it was still acceptable and not as bad as people think. The reason we remember his "bad kicking" is that he so often had the ball in his hands at the end of a close game - a sure sign of a gun player.

Yeh thats it, the reason he kicked mongrels was because he had the ball in his hands at the end of a close game.

I never said he had an average mark all i said was Dunstall's hands were better, so get of your high horse.

 

[Cyclops]

The original question was who do my mob need, and the answer is Dunstall.

We need a fat reliable leading FF who will kick bags. We have enough leadership: although Buckley is nowhere near as good a captain as Kernahan was, he's up to scratch now, so Piggy's utter lack of personality wouldn't matter. We also have a couple of decent high marking CHF types, and some string bean ruckmen in development. We want a giant goal-pig: in my time there's been Plugger, and then Dunstall.

For the record this thing about Dunstall being unselfish is the biggest crock. He was a hungry hungry hippo, and quite rightly because he was a magnificent straight kick.

As to who is the better player it is very close indeed.

Kernahan was a much better all-around footy player. He was a better captain by the length of the straight, more versatile, a far better high mark (Dunstall rarely got off the ground), and had incredible football nous.

He also faded significantly in the second half of his career, whereas the Piggy one kept up an extremely high standard despite a run of terrible injuries.

Dunstall was the equal of Plugger on the lead with those steel trap hands, and his athleticism for a tub of guts was freakish. He'd take slips catch marks, catch nimble half back flankers, and worked his arse off (which was a very very big job). He was an utterly professional and extremely uncharismatic footballer of the highest calibre.

I'd say Dunstall produced more quality footy over his career than Kernahan, but I don't think it can be disputed that Kernahan's best was superior to Dunstalls best.

I'd say Dunstall by a whisker.

 

[TuskenRaider]

If you bothered to read further on i had already mentioned that. but that still does not change the fact that his goal kicking was not as reliable as Dunstall's.



Yeh thats it, the reason he kicked mongrels was because he had the ball in his hands at the end of a close game.

I never said he had an average mark all i said was Dunstall's hands were better, so get of your high horse.

I have stated Dunstall was a better kick. No argument from me there.

I didn't say the reason he kicked badly was because he was under pressure, just that we noticed some bad kicks of his when the game was in the balance. Notably the one against Essendon early in 93.

I wasn't referring to you when saying posters were calling Kernahan an average mark (I was referring to someone else), and I'm so far from my high horse it's not funny.

The above post by Cyclops sums up the two pretty well.