Kerr

[beaver fever]

You can't blame tiger fans for overrating their team and not wanting to wait longer for success.

Besides it is not them making the decisions.

 

[Woodstock]

I hope we DON'T do the deal, but it's the only way I see Kerr coming to Punt Road.

 

[Doobie]

God help us !

Do you guys have any idea just how good Rance will be?
Do you guys have any idea that Trengrove will hold down CHF for the next 10 years?

This is how confident I am that these two will be the cornerstone of our success.

I'd love Kerr, but no.

You dont trade a key position player for a midfielder.

isn't trengrove a chb to very good palyer

 

[_RT_]

Pass, we don't need Kerr to become a successful side. What we need is quality KP players at either end of the park. If Rance can develop then he can take Moore spot as one of the talls which leaves Moore to become an attacking mid sized rebounding defender.

If you want to know what type of player I'm talking about think of Milburn/Mackie from Geelong. Good enough to shut an opponent down but also knows how to launch attacks from the HB line. Moore will be very valuable for us in that role in the future and that is why we took Rance when he slipped to our pick last year.

 

[cormick]

Pass, we don't need Kerr to become a successful side. What we need is quality KP players at either end of the park. If Rance can develop then he can take Moore spot as one of the talls which leaves Moore to become an attacking mid sized rebounding defender.

If you want to know what type of player I'm talking about think of Milburn/Mackie from Geelong. Good enough to shut an opponent down but also knows how to launch attacks from the HB line. Moore will be very valuable for us in that role in the future and that is why we took Rance when he slipped to our pick last year.

Summed up perfectly!
Deledio, Cotchin, Tambling, Tuck, Foley + one more (Ziebell hopefully) from the next few drafts will just about round out our midfield. Add in Coughlan if he ever gets back, Johnson for next year, White and Edwards with a bit more time and pinch hitting roles from Brown, Connors and maybe Collard (?) and we'll have a good midfield. That's without mentioning the highly debated/contentious Polo and Jackson.

But I think Moore is more (excuse the pun) of a Harley...less rebound but more defense and leadership. Rance looks to me like Scarlett and Thursfield (despite dif. positions) is a bit Egan-like. They will be the corner stone of our future success .

We just need a ruckman and key forward, not Kerr

 

[tigerdan]

What I think we should do is enter the bidding with a low bid. It just ups the ante for any of the other clubs. And if it comes off we have gotten Kerr for cheap.

We may well pay out on Greg Miller, but his attempts at chasing Peverill and that guy from Brisbane, forced those clubs to pay over the odds. Perhaps this was always his plan (?) There's more to it than just poaching players, we can make other clubs pay too much for what they want.

 

[beaver fever]

hehe tigerdan. Kerr for cheap. JON + Casserly sound reasonable?

 

[tigerdan]

No, Beaver (trying to detect irony, or not, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt).

I would make a bid with picks that are lower than he is worth. Because if it is just (say) Collingwood that are bidding, well WC may be forced to sell.

We put in a moderate bid, it puts the heat on Collingwood to do a proper deal, thus weakening their drafting position. This is effectively what we did with Essendon and Brisbane, even though we never got the players.

And it may end up that WC decide to tell Collingwood where to go and deal with us.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm glad you guys are entertaining yourselves with the thought of this trade. We would NOT be chasing Rance. We have Glass, Wilkes, McKenzie, Schofield, Graham, Jones, Hunter, Spangher and 4-5 6'2" flankers/pinch-hitters already for our backline. Rance would only rank ahead of Spangher in our current pecking order.

For the sake of the thread, is there any other sort of deal you could come up with? (that maybe even you guys would entertain, seeing as though you all rate Rance so highly). I doubt you'd be chasing him anyway, he'd just compromise someone like Foley.

 

[beaver fever]

No, Beaver (trying to detect irony, or not, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt).

I would make a bid with picks that are lower than he is worth. Because if it is just (say) Collingwood that are bidding, well WC may be forced to sell.

We put in a moderate bid, it puts the heat on Collingwood to do a proper deal, thus weakening their drafting position. This is effectively what we did with Essendon and Brisbane, even though we never got the players.

And it may end up that WC decide to tell Collingwood where to go and deal with us.

How can JON+Casserly for Kerr be anything but ironic?

WC don't have to deal, he is under contract so no they don't have to sell him for cheap. He will cost our 2 first picks and a player.

 

[Jisha]

No, Beaver (trying to detect irony, or not, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt).

I would make a bid with picks that are lower than he is worth. Because if it is just (say) Collingwood that are bidding, well WC may be forced to sell.

EG. Judd to Carlton?

 

[beaver fever]

I'm glad you guys are entertaining yourselves with the thought of this trade. We would NOT be chasing Rance. We have Glass, Wilkes, McKenzie, Schofield, Graham, Jones, Hunter, Spangher and 4-5 6'2" flankers/pinch-hitters already for our backline. Rance would only rank ahead of Spangher in our current pecking order.

If you had rance you could delist spangher. Brett Jones is not a KPD. That leaves Glass, Wilkes (assuming you promote him), McKenzie, Schofield. Hunter should be traded and Graham will only ever be a depth player. So you KPD stocks would read:
Darren Glass 192cm, 27 years old
Jaymie Graham 196cm, 25 years old
Beau Wilkes 194cm, 22 years old
Eric McKenzie 196cm, 20 years old
Will Schofield 196cm, 19 years old
Alex Rance 192 cm, 18 years old

You wouldn't have to worry about this part of the list for a long time. Glass has 3-4 years left, Graham will be delisted eventually and one or two of Wilkes, McKenzie and Schofield will fail.

Having said all that you can keep Kerr

 

[tigerdan]

How can JON+Casserly for Kerr be anything but ironic?

WC don't have to deal, he is under contract so no they don't have to sell him for cheap. He will cost our 2 first picks and a player.

Do you think WC want to keep Kerr?

 

[beaver fever]

Do you think WC want to keep Kerr?

I think they would prefer to get 2 top 10 picks but if they don't get that then sure they would rather keep him. They can afford to tank for another season.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I'm with you , do the deal , Kerr for pick 8 and Rance is a bargain. West Coast will get what their given anyway because next year they will recieve nothing for a bloke that has stayed 2 seasons to long at their club, distracted the team for another year and watch Carlton pick him up in the pre season draft so he can play with his boyfriend Judd again.

The Kerr deal is this year boys . Not next year this year. Pick 8 and 22 will do the deal. We can keep Rance and still make it happen. You reckon a fit Kerr this year wouldn't of helped us make the finals.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but picks 8 and 22 will certainly not get the deal done.

And Kerr won't be going anywhere in 12 months time.

If he doesn't go this year, he will have signed a contract extension. We won't be sitting on our bums for 12 months waiting for Kerr to re-sign. He either re-signs this year, or we trade him. And if we trade him, we'll do better than picks 8 and 22.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

What I think we should do is enter the bidding with a low bid. It just ups the ante for any of the other clubs. And if it comes off we have gotten Kerr for cheap.

I admire your optimism.

What do you mean by "if it comes off..."?

If WC have a brain explosion and trade Kerr out for a bargain while ignoring the higher bids from other clubs?

I guess you've got to have a plan for every outcome.

 

[telsor]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but picks 8 and 22 will certainly not get the deal done.

And Kerr won't be going anywhere in 12 months time.

If he doesn't go this year, he will have signed a contract extension. We won't be sitting on our bums for 12 months waiting for Kerr to re-sign. He either re-signs this year, or we trade him. And if we trade him, we'll do better than picks 8 and 22.

That attitude is forcing yourself to trade...Your big advantage at the moment is that you can walk away if the offer isn't good enough, so better to keep the option of trading him next year open.

For what it's worth, while I think he's a very good player, and an asset to any club, I don't think he's worth the (likely) price, so I'm not that keen.

 

[TigerGlory]

I admire your optimism.

What do you mean by "if it comes off..."?

If WC have a brain explosion and trade Kerr out for a bargain while ignoring the higher bids from other clubs?

I guess you've got to have a plan for every outcome.

You wont get many clubs willing to trade their picks mate.

If you play hardball, you might find yourselves with an angry player at the end of next year who walks out for nothing.

Your not seriously expecting any of the bottom clubs to bid for Kerr? Why would they waste their first round pick?

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

That attitude is forcing yourself to trade...Your big advantage at the moment is that you can walk away if the offer isn't good enough, so better to keep the option of trading him next year open.

It doesn't force us to do anything.

If Kerr refuses to sign another contract ever, we're going to have to trade him eventually. He want him to sign his next contract now.

We're not going to wait until he comes out of his current contract in 12 months time.

He either re-signs in the next month or he's up for trade.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

You wont get many clubs willing to trade their picks mate.

Clubs will trade picks for a quality player.

What do you think would be involved in a trade for Kerr if picks are off the table?

If you play hardball, you might find yourselves with an angry player at the end of next year who walks out for nothing.

Of course we're going to play hardball.

Kerr won't be walking out at the end of next year. That is not an option.

There are two options:

1) He re-signs and is contracted beyond the end of next year.

2) We trade him now.

WC will not allow the situation to occur where Kerr comes out of contract and is free to walk.

Your not seriously expecting any of the bottom clubs to bid for Kerr? Why would they waste their first round pick?

Why wouldn't Essendon or Port take an interest?

He won't go to Freo. Melbourne are a basket case. The other 13 clubs are all options.

 

[telsor]

It doesn't force us to do anything.

If Kerr refuses to sign another contract ever, we're going to have to trade him eventually. He want him to sign his next contract now.

We're not going to wait until he comes out of his current contract in 12 months time.

He either re-signs in the next month or he's up for trade.

You've said he signs in the next month of you WILL trade him this trade period...commiting yourself to offload the guy weakens your trade position by meaning you must make a deal, even if the best offer isn't as good as you might have hoped. If other clubs know this, they'll push harder.

 

[CoggaRules]

You've said he signs in the next month of you WILL trade him this trade period...commiting yourself to offload the guy weakens your trade position by meaning you must make a deal, even if the best offer isn't as good as you might have hoped. If other clubs know this, they'll push harder.

stating the bleeding obvious....the e-girls are in a big bind and had to come out with the - we want 2 first rounders for him, in an effort to make it seem like they didnt have to offload him. They will take a second rounder and a player for him. Because if they are left holding the candle, that means they will offload $$$ for another year, to a top gun that, in the position they are in, means pretty much JS, and then watch him go into the PSD.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

You've said he signs in the next month of you WILL trade him this trade period...commiting yourself to offload the guy weakens your trade position by meaning you must make a deal, even if the best offer isn't as good as you might have hoped. If other clubs know this, they'll push harder.

We won't be committing publicly.

We'll have a contracted player who is on the table. Privately, we'll be prepared to let him go, but publicly, there will be the option of hanging onto him.

If Kerr is on the table and there's more than one club interested, we're going to get a pretty decent offer.

I expect Kerr to re-sign.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

stating the bleeding obvious....the e-girls are in a big bind and had to come out with the - we want 2 first rounders for him, in an effort to make it seem like they didnt have to offload him. They will take a second rounder and a player for him.

Hilarious.

Firstly, I think the most likely outcome is that Kerr re-signs.

Secondly, I don't know what kind of player you think would be in that trade, but unless they're a star, it won't cut the mustard.

 

[CoggaRules]

Hilarious.

Firstly, I think the most likely outcome is that Kerr re-signs.

Secondly, I don't know what kind of player you think would be in that trade, but unless they're a star, it won't cut the mustard.

BS dude, you are not in the market for a star, you are in the market for potential stars. Whats the use of picking up a star for a star, when you are rebuilding the list?
And if you go by what the tigerheads say here. we are the department store, for "potential stars".