Kerr

[TigerGlory]

Clubs will trade picks for a quality player.

What do you think would be involved in a trade for Kerr if picks are off the table?

Players will have to come into the equation because no club will trade their first pick AND another quality pick because nobody is going to give up that quality pick to give the first club.

A club is going to need access to a pick it dosent have to satisfy West Coast. Nobody will get a good pick without giving up something good. Essentially, the club gaining Kerr will be losing not only what it initally trades for Kerr, but also what they give up to get a bonus pick to satisfy the Weagles. Wont happen.

Of course we're going to play hardball.

Kerr won't be walking out at the end of next year. That is not an option.

There are two options:

1) He re-signs and is contracted beyond the end of next year.

2) We trade him now.

WC will not allow the situation to occur where Kerr comes out of contract and is free to walk.

If Kerr wants to leave, which is what all this gossip has started for, then he wont resign. Obviously, if you play hardball and hang onto him for an extra year, he is very likely to walk out on you. Your best option would be to trade him THIS year, but with your current attitude, not many clubs will choose to trade with you. Quite simply, your asking for to much.

Why wouldn't Essendon or Port take an interest?

He won't go to Freo. Melbourne are a basket case. The other 13 clubs are all options.

Because Kerr's value has gone down quite a bit this year. From what we've seen, hes degenerated ALOT without the support of Judd and Cousins. Obviously this is debateable, but no club will give up the picks your asking for Kerr if there is a chance he will play like he did this year.

Its rumoured Kerr wants to return to Melbourne, obviously thats more heresay but if true, it rules out Port Adelaide. Essendon will need to give up their first round pick plus another good pick and probably a player to satisfy the Weagles. At the Bombers, their midfield isnt that flash, Kerr would cop it pretty badly and im sure they know this. Wont go to the Bombers.

I can honestly see Carlton as the likely destination, obviously i hope they dont, but the hint i got from a recent article with Juddy stating that his favourite teammate was Daniel Kerr, is a little bit of a hint that the Blues would move heaven and earth to grab him. There pick is one better than ours, BUT, their cap would be stretched, and I dont know if you would deal with them anyway.

Obviously the Top 8 teams like St Kilda and Collingwood have worse draft picks than us, which gives us an advantage. I think we are in the best situation to deal with you guys, because we would be willing to give up our first pick due to the amount of untried kids on our list, we could survive a draft. However, after that, we'd need another pick and White or Rance to satisfy you guys, which i dont think is do-able at this stage.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

BS dude, you are not in the market for a star, you are in the market for potential stars. Whats the use of picking up a star for a star, when you are rebuilding the list?
And if you go by what the tigerheads say here. we are the department store, for "potential stars".

So a second rounder and "a potential star" for Kerr?

Come on. Get serious.

There will be no trade for Kerr that doesn't involve a first rounder.

 

[telsor]

We won't be committing publicly.

We'll have a contracted player who is on the table. Privately, we'll be prepared to let him go, but publicly, there will be the option of hanging onto him.

If Kerr is on the table and there's more than one club interested, we're going to get a pretty decent offer.

I expect Kerr to re-sign.

a) word gets around.

b) (say) Carlton offers you their first 2 picks..you say 'no, we want 2 first rounders', they walk away...A bit later you find this was the best offer, and having to 'sell', you go back to them and see if it's still on the table, they get a bit suspicious that you're commited to trade and say you'll have to throw in your third rounder as a sweetener now.

As stated, I don't really care, I'm just saying taking a position like that weakens your negotiating strength.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Players will have to come into the equation because no club will trade their first pick AND another quality pick because nobody is going to give up that quality pick to give the first club.

A club is going to need access to a pick it dosent have to satisfy West Coast. Nobody will get a good pick without giving up something good. Essentially, the club gaining Kerr will be losing not only what it initally trades for Kerr, but also what they give up to get a bonus pick to satisfy the Weagles. Wont happen.

Too early to say that.

What if someone like Ryan O'Keefe decides he wants to go back to Melbourne?

You don't reckon Sydney will be able to grab a first rounder?

You don't reckon a club would give St. Kilda a first rounder for Dal Santo?

Because Kerr's value has gone down quite a bit this year. From what we've seen, hes degenerated ALOT without the support of Judd and Cousins.

This is over-stated, most commonly by opposition fans hoping for a bargain.

WC have had a tough year, but I think it's crazy to suggest Kerr is a permanently diminished player.

He still averaged more touches than he did in 2005-06. His problem was staying on the park. When he played, he wasn't as bad as some people like to suggest. But when we were getting belted, he obviously didn't look as damaging. That happens to good players in struggling sides.

Its rumoured Kerr wants to return to Melbourne, obviously thats more heresay but if true, it rules out Port Adelaide. Essendon will need to give up their first round pick plus another good pick and probably a player to satisfy the Weagles. At the Bombers, their midfield isnt that flash, Kerr would cop it pretty badly and im sure they know this. Wont go to the Bombers.

Firstly, Kerr is from WA.

Secondly, you're too quick to rule out Port, essentially on nothing more than guesswork.

Thirdly, you're ruling out the Bombers on even flimsier evidence. If Kerr goes, I'd say they would be one of the more likely destinations. They've got pick 5. Another pick between 10 and 20 would put them right in the hunt.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

a) word gets around.

b) (say) Carlton offers you their first 2 picks..you say 'no, we want 2 first rounders', they walk away...A bit later you find this was the best offer, and having to 'sell', you go back to them and see if it's still on the table, they get a bit suspicious that you're commited to trade and say you'll have to throw in your third rounder as a sweetener now.

As stated, I don't really care, I'm just saying taking a position like that weakens your negotiating strength.

That's great.

I can offer hypotheticals too. Who gives a shit?

 

[CoggaRules]

So a second rounder and "a potential star" for Kerr?

Come on. Get serious.

There will be no trade for Kerr that doesn't involve a first rounder.

then there will be no trade for Kerr.
Lets read down the list.
Cats? naaa what for?
Dawks? naaa what for?
Bullies? naa they desperately need tall forwards/backs
Aints? maybe a chance, they have a Kosi to cough up too, and no Harves.
Crows? me dont think so.
Scum? Another maybe, but ya gunna have to take a Didak off their hands.
Roos? they have spent enough time on top ups, they will go for the draft option for sure. They know that the gap between them and the top aint gunna be fixed by a Kerr only.
Swans? just about on their last legs re. vets, they cant afford to not have a first round draft pick.
Us? we are in the right position to contemplate him being on our list, but March protected first rounder a month ago.
Carlton? is your only realistic chance. But I am tipping that they want to hold on to first rounder. That is of course if their president/list manager/footy dept head/captain, Judd suggests otherwise.
as for the rest they are all in rebuild mode so you can write you own ticket as to the chances of them giving away their first rounders.


So in effect it will be a similar scenario, if indeed there is a scenario, to last year, between the blues vs another club vying his services.

Really dont like your chances of getting your reserve price when there are only 2 bidders, if that dude.

So as they say in the classics, tell them they're dreaming.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

then there will be no trade for Kerr.
Lets read down the list.
Cats? naaa what for?
Dawks? naaa what for?
Bullies? naa they desperately need tall forwards/backs
Aints? maybe a chance, they have a Kosi to cough up too, and no Harves.
Crows? me dont think so.
Scum? Another maybe, but ya gunna have to take a Didak off their hands.
Roos? they have spent enough time on top ups, they will go for the draft option for sure. They know that the gap between them and the top aint gunna be fixed by a Kerr only.
Swans? just about on their last legs re. vets, they cant afford to not have a first round draft pick.
Us? we are in the right position to contemplate him being on our list, but March protected first rounder a month ago.
Carlton? is your only realistic chance. But I am tipping that they want to hold on to first rounder. That is of course if their president/list manager/footy dept head/captain, Judd suggests otherwise.
as for the rest they are all in rebuild mode so you can write you own ticket as to what they will be doing with their first rounders.


So in effect it will be a similar scenario, if indeed there is a scenario, to last year, between the blues vs another club vying his services.

Really dont like your chances of getting your reserve price when there are only 2 bidders, if that dude.

So as they say in the classics, tell them they're dreaming.

You've drawn a line through a lot of clubs based on pretty flimsy evidence.

I'd say that all of Sydney, Port, Essendon, North, Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, St. Kilda and Melbourne would be interested in Kerr. Brisbane might have a sniff too. Only Melbourne's first rounder would be off the table.

To suggest that Kerr will be traded for anything less than a first rounder is laughable, and I'd question your familiarity with what good players actually get traded for.

 

[CoggaRules]

You've drawn a line through a lot of clubs based on pretty flimsy evidence.

I'd say that all of Sydney, Port, Essendon, North, Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, St. Kilda and Melbourne would be interested in Kerr. Brisbane might have a sniff too. Only Melbourne's first rounder would be off the table.

To suggest that Kerr will be traded for anything less than a first rounder is laughable, and I'd question your familiarity with what good players actually get traded for.

what you dont realise is this. Its not if they are interested that matters, everyone will be interested. How much their interest costs in terms of picks/players is.
I would be tipping its going to be a duel between the blues and that aints, because the blues have Judd and the aints have Kosi to deal and have lost Harvey, who they need to replace right now. But to suggest that clubs are going to bend to the e-girls wants, when all of them know, that he has one year left and its going to be one year of contract, the e-girls are going to have to pay for, in the light of another year in the doldrums, is bordering on hallucinating fool.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

what you dont realise is this. Its not if they are interested that matters, everyone will be interested. How much their interest costs in terms of picks/players is.

No shit.

It's called trading.

Do you have any other tricks to make the banal sound profound?

I would be tipping its going to be a duel between the blues and that aints, because the blues have Judd and the aints have Kosi to deal and have lost Harvey, who they need to replace right now. But to suggest that clubs are going to bend to the e-girls wants, when all of them know, that he has one year left and its going to be one year of contract, the e-girls are going to have to pay for, in the light of another year in the doldrums, is bordering on hallucinating fool.

Is this the first year you've paid attention to the trade period?

There's not a skerrick of insight in your posts.

 

[CoggaRules]

No shit.

It's called trading.

Do you have any other tricks to make the banal sound profound?

Is this the first year you've paid attention to the trade period?

There's not a skerrick of insight in your posts.

no probs dude. You stick to what you know and so will i. When the trade period is over we can revisit the subject. But dont hold your breath on having more than 1 team interested that might be contemplating a first rounder.
Lets put it this way, if there is a deal and it includes a first rounder, i would be betting it also will involve another young player from the e-girls, and a player from the trading club. There is no way known a club will trade a frist rounder for Kerr only. It will be a package if indeed there is any semblance of a chance of it happening.

 

[tigerdan]

To suggest that Kerr will be traded for anything less than a first rounder is laughable, and I'd question your familiarity with what good players actually get traded for.

Depends on the year. Sometimes good players go for way under what would be considered fair rate.

We got Leon Cameron, a very good player, for pick 39. Yet Kane Johnson cost us more, but has been less of a player for us. It is not the sliding scale you'd think it should be. Depends on more than just how good the player is.

Everyone gets wound up when a top player from their own club wants to take a hike.

And just to add to an earlier post, I don't really want Kerr. But I see no problem whatsoever in helping an opposition club pay more than they would normally have to. Bet Essendon regretted the $$ they ended up paying Solomon.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

no probs dude. You stick to what you know and so will i. When the trade period is over we can revisit the subject. But dont hold your breath on having more than 1 team interested that might be contemplating a first rounder.

I fully expect Kerr to re-sign.

I think this speculation has been driven by Kerr wanting a longer deal, rather than Kerr wanting to leave.

Lets put it this way, if there is a deal and it includes a first rounder, i would be betting it also will involve another young player from the e-girls, and a player from the trading club. There is no way known a club will trade a frist rounder for Kerr only.

Guesswork passed off as conviction.

You don't reckon Richmond would offer pick 8 for Kerr?

Most Tiger fans on here seem to accept that would be a bare minimum.

Half the clubs in the league would offer their first rounder in a straight swap for Kerr in a heartbeat.

 

[CoggaRules]

I fully expect Kerr to re-sign.



Guesswork passed off as conviction.

You don't reckon Richmond would offer pick 8 for Kerr?

Most Tiger fans on here seem to accept that would be a bare minimum.

Half the clubs in the league would offer their first rounder in a straight swap for Kerr in a heartbeat.

yeah you seem to be adept at passing it off as you suggest. HAlf the clubs in the league would offer their first rounder in a straight swap. But you seem to be making that "assumption" on what unfolded last year re. Judd.
But you also discount what "negatives" and "maybes" and "what ifs", are aligned to a Kerr and how many were attached to a Judd.
Like get real dude. The guy has a history of our there **** ups, that border on the didak varierty and you are going to sit there and suggest that the clubs would offer their prized pick for someone that might go off the deep end ? FFS what do you think this is? Second chances come at a discount rate.
Stay tuned.
As for your ludicrous suggestion that you expect him to re-sign. Another dreamy expectation about a player who knows what he has to offer, resigning himself to playing in an also-ran side while others who he formed a formidable unit with, are not only playing where it matters, in and amongst finals, they are based in a city where their futures after football are being cemented. Instead of being pissed up against the wall in a two horse town.

 

[Youdy]

yeah you seem to be adept at passing it off as you suggest. HAlf the clubs in the league would offer their first rounder in a straight swap. But you seem to be making that "assumption" on what unfolded last year re. Judd.
But you also discount what "negatives" and "maybes" and "what ifs", are aligned to a Kerr and how many were attached to a Judd.
Like get real dude. The guy has a history of our there **** ups, that border on the didak varierty and you are going to sit there and suggest that the clubs would offer their prized pick for someone that might go off the deep end ? FFS what do you think this is? Second chances come at a discount rate.
Stay tuned.
As for your ludicrous suggestion that you expect him to re-sign. Another dreamy expectation about a player who knows what he has to offer, resigning himself to playing in an also-ran side while others who he formed a formidable unit with, are not only playing where it matters, in and amongst finals, they are based in a city where their futures after football are being cemented. Instead of being pissed up against the wall in a two horse town.

Lol this player also has a history of being in my opinion a better on field player than judd or cousins. Saying that a club wont swap a first round pick for a player that "might" make it at afl level for a player that dominates and in my opinion will win a brownlow before hes done. Pfft at that and Kerr owes alot for all the chances hes been given and i rckn he will re-sign making it irrelevant anyway

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

yeah you seem to be adept at passing it off as you suggest. HAlf the clubs in the league would offer their first rounder in a straight swap. But you seem to be making that "assumption" on what unfolded last year re. Judd.

But you also discount what "negatives" and "maybes" and "what ifs", are aligned to a Kerr and how many were attached to a Judd.

Not at all.

Have a look at the last 10 years of trading, and look at what kind of players went for first rounders in a straight swap.

Guys like Darren Jolly and Daniel Chick both commanded top 16 picks in a straight swap.

Look at the deal Collingwoods got for Chris Tarrant.

Hell, you gave up pick 19 for Jordan McMahon.

I reckon Kerr is worth a fair bit more than him.

Like get real dude. The guy has a history of our there **** ups, that border on the didak varierty and you are going to sit there and suggest that the clubs would offer their prized pick for someone that might go off the deep end ? FFS what do you think this is? Second chances come at a discount rate.

Didak would also fetch a first rounder.

In a heartbeat.

As for your ludicrous suggestion that you expect him to re-sign. Another dreamy expectation about a player who knows what he has to offer, resigning himself to playing in an also-ran side while others who he formed a formidable unit with, are not only playing where it matters, in and amongst finals, they are based in a city where their futures after football are being cemented. Instead of being pissed up against the wall in a two horse town.

I don't live in Perth, so your bagging the place doesn't really bother me.

As for the "ludicrous suggestion" that Kerr will re-sign, I think it's fair to say that's still the most likely outcome.

You haven't really demonstrated why it's unlikely.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Guesswork passed off as conviction.

FFS dude, that's like, Cogga's m.o. pretty much, like, summed up in it's **** entirety right there, fool...

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

FFS dude, that's like, Cogga's m.o. pretty much, like, summed up in it's **** entirety right there, fool...

I apologise for not having a more detailed knowledge of Richmond trolls.

I've never had the chance to study them in their natural habitat before.

 

[CoggaRules]

I apologise for not having a more detailed knowledge of Richmond trolls.

I've never had the chance to study them in their natural habitat before.

haha dude..you see where you **** up is this. You suggest its guesswork passed on as conviction correct? Well from where i sit, we are all pretty much guessing when we offer our opinions arent we?
Or are you following the Robert Walls book of how to state the bleeding obvious, after the fact and then pass it on as your opinion with conviction?

You say he will re-sign, I say he will be playing in another jumper next year and not for a first rounder.
Time will tell dude.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

haha dude..you see where you **** up is this. You suggest its guesswork passed on as conviction correct? Well from where i sit, we are all pretty much guessing when we offer our opinions arent we?
Or are you following the Robert Walls book of how to state the bleeding obvious, after the fact and then pass it on as your opinion with conviction?

This is gibberish.

Not a coherent point anywhere in there.

You say he will re-sign, I say he will be playing in another jumper next year and not for a first rounder.
Time will tell dude.

You coughed up pick 19 for Jordan McMahon.

That suggests that Kerr will be able to fetch a first rounder - bare minimum.

If you can find anyone else who thinks Kerr won't fetch a first rounder, I'll be surprised.

By contrast, have a look through this thread - it's full of Port supporters who are resigned to giving up pick 4 if Kerr is on the table:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12567939#post12567939

Frankly, I don't think you've paid attention to the trade period before. Your arguments suggest that this is your first year dealing with these questions.

 

[CoggaRules]

Wow, great argument.

You coughed up pick 19 for Jordan McMahon.

That suggests that Kerr will be able to fetch a first rounder - bare minimum.

If you can find anyone else who thinks Kerr won't fetch a first rounder, I'll be surprised.

Frankly, I don't think you've paid attention to the trade period before. Your arguments suggest that this is your first year dealing with these questions.

yes "WE" coughed up pick 19 for McMahon.
Dont give a flying **** if there is no one else who thinks he wouldnt fetch a first rounder.
My argument stands: The only side that will entertain a first rounder if that are the aints and they themselves have a couple of big names in Kosi and Dal Santo as bargaining chips too. But apart from them and Carlton, i cannot find another reason why any other side would offload their first rounder in a draft that precedes the barron years ahead, re. draft concessions for the GC.
You must think the rest of the comp are stupid huh? I mean, lets just give away our first rounder, or has been ludicrously suggested, 2 first rounders, to the WC, so they have 3 first round picks in a strong draft, before no one has picks in upcoming drafts? LMAO....shit man, you are one sharp dude huh?

And i repeat, Tim Watson suggested on SEN this morning that a team had talks with Kerr and put the pen through his name, immediately. So keep dreaming dude.

BTW, full of port supporters? LMAO again...tell you what einstein, its full of BF port posters, not full of port supporters and for sure and certain it isnt full of port recruiters or desicion makers. I mean you base your whole argument that he will fetch a first rounder on the opinions of 20 or so BF poster? FFS, and then you suggest i produce guesswork and pass it on as conviction? sheeeeeeesh.....

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

yes "WE" coughed up pick 19 for McMahon.
Dont give a flying **** if there is no one else who thinks he wouldnt fetch a first rounder.
My argument stands: The only side that will entertain a first rounder if that are the aints and they themselves have a couple of big names in Kosi and Dal Santo as bargaining chips too. But apart from them and Carlton, i cannot find another reason why any other side would offload their first rounder in a draft that precedes the barron years ahead, re. draft concessions for the GC.
You must think the rest of the comp are stupid huh? I mean, lets just give away our first rounder, or has been ludicrously suggested, 2 first rounders, to the WC, so they have 3 first round picks in a strong draft, before no one has picks in upcoming drafts? LMAO....shit man, you are one sharp dude huh?

Nowhere in this rant is anything resembling a coherent argument.

Repeating yourself over and over doesn't make your argument any less insipid. It just marks you out as someone incapable of arguing beyond a series of practiced soundbytes.

If you look back over the last 10 trade periods, you'll find plenty of players exchanged for first rounders, and most of them weren't as good as Kerr i.e. Cameron Wood, Darren Jolly, Travis Johnstone, Daniel Chick.

Your suggestion that Kerr wouldn't fetch that much is ridiculous.

Go to any club board and ask the supporters what they think Kerr would fetch. I think you'll find you're Robinson Crusoe on this one.

Hell, not even your fellow Tigers fans agree with you.

And i repeat, Tim Watson suggested on SEN this morning that a team had talks with Kerr and put the pen through his name, immediately. So keep dreaming dude.

So what?

 

[mattdamon12]

Not worth 1st round draft picks.
would benefit us in some way with him taking number one tagger which would free up foley more.

 

[CoggaRules]

Nowhere in this rant is anything resembling a coherent argument.

Repeating yourself over and over doesn't make your argument any less insipid. It just marks you out as someone incapable of arguing beyond a series of practiced soundbytes.
If you look back over the last 10 trade periods, you'll find plenty of players exchanged for first rounders, and most of them weren't as good as Kerr i.e. Cameron Wood, Darren Jolly, Travis Johnstone, Daniel Chick.
Your suggestion that Kerr wouldn't fetch that much is ridiculous.

Go to any club board and ask the supporters what they think Kerr would fetch. I think you'll find you're Robinson Crusoe on this one.

Hell, not even your fellow Tigers fans agree with you.

So what?

listen dippy, the last 10 trade periods had one thing in common. They didnt have GC in the next 5 trade periods, fool.
Go to any club board? Fellow tiger fans? dude there are 30 thou + members and a few hundred thou supporters of this club. 15-20 BF posters are a drop in the ocean when talking "fellow fans".
Time will tell dudo. Stay tuned and we will reconvene when and if anything unfolds.
One thing is for sure and certain. If I were his manager, i would be strongly recomending that he play at another club at all costs.
His career will be shortened and suffer staying put, playing in a team that for sure and certain is in development mode. He will be targetted continuously by the opposition, and the same frustration etc will surface, which will flow on to his off field demeanour, resulting in much the same as we have become accustomed to. This will not only affect his footy career, it will also affect his after footy career.

This IMO, is the one thing that any suitors for his services will know all to well.
Again i direct you at these letters -> IMO.

 

[mattdamon12]

listen dippy, the last 10 trade periods had one thing in common. They didnt have GC in the next 5 trade periods, fool.
Go to any club board? Fellow tiger fans? dude there are 30 thou + members and a few hundred thou supporters of this club. 15-20 BF posters are a drop in the ocean when talking "fellow fans".
Time will tell dudo. Stay tuned and we will reconvene when and if anything unfolds.
One thing is for sure and certain. If I were his manager, i would be strongly recomending that he play at another club at all costs.
His career will be shortened and suffer staying put, playing in a team that for sure and certain is in development mode. He will be targetted continuously by the opposition, and the same frustration etc will surface, which will flow on to his off field demeanour, resulting in much the same as we have become accustomed to. This not only will affect his footy career it will also affect his after footy career.

This IMO, is the one thing that any suitors for his services will know all to well.
Again i direct you at these letters -> IMO.

I agree totally.
west coast supporters are still devastated of their fall from glory.
hahaha hahaha hahha

 

[Youdy]

Not worth 1st round draft picks.
would benift us in some way with him taking number one tagger which would free up foley more.

Would also benifit you by getting another 27 touches in the midfield and being able to use the ball. Much better midfielder than any others you have