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hotpie said:
I doubt anybody with a clue about football underrates him.
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I have the pleasure of being at his 400th and 403rd and final game and still have pics I took from the Ponsford stand as he ran through one hell of a mother of a banner (IIRC it started to break away it was so large).

Anyone who questions KB's football ability must be too young to have ever seen or appreciate the player. You dont play 403 games in 5 premiership sides by being 'carried':rolleyes: And he was absolutley robbed of a Brownlow on at least one occasion.
 
hotpie said:
Depends who you talk to. There are a lot of goldfish around in these boards who cant remember what happened last week, let alone footballers from the 1970's. He definitely has enormous respect as a player, arguably and unfairly diminished by his media profile and his estrangement from the club, and his failure as a coach.
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These are the responses i'm looking for, I regard KB as a legend, I also remember seeing him play, there was a thread about the best 3 from each club and names like Francis Bourke and Jack Dyer were rightly mentioned but Bartlett not as often ( just tried to have a look to confirm but couldn't find it).
 
Just reading back through the responses, there was one reply which was tongue in cheek about his handballing or lack of it, a couple about his after footy career and the rest recognising he was a great, why are some being so defensive, is this what BF has become?
 
worthy said:
Just reading back through the responses, there was one reply which was tongue in cheek about his handballing or lack of it, a couple about his after footy career and the rest recognising he was a great, why are some being so defensive, is this what BF has become?
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Nobody is being defensive, just saying that the original premise for the thread (ie that KB doesn't get the recognition that he deserves, or isn't talked about in the same sentence as other greats) is fundamentally flawed. He DOES get talked about in that way, and deservedly so.
 

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He pretty much did it all except win a Brownlow. A bit like Matthews and Carey he was probably a victim of his own talent here and alot was just expected of him week in and week out even from the umpires.
If you're a star and don't win a Brownlow early then you will struggle to win one later. Maybe this is changing slightly.
My memories date back to the mid-70's where he was the numero uno at Tigerland after Royce Hart started to drop off. He was premier on-baller for 10 years before he became a HFF but most people remember him as the latter .
Fair enough when you kick 7 in a Grand Final , 21 in three finals and 80 odd goals for a Premeirship year but he had a long career before that which can get forgotten a little
 
The Dice Man said:
I doubt you are old enough to have ever seen him play. Personally his 7 goals in the 1980GF was a Hurculean effort and part of why Collingwood went down by a then record margin in a GF :)
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Not only was I old enough - I was there. Sitting next to the Collingwood race, helplessly watching the Richmond supporters spitting on Stan Magro.

Worst football day of my life!!!
 
hotpie said:
Not only was I old enough - I was there. Sitting next to the Collingwood race, helplessly watching the Richmond supporters spitting on Stan Magro.

Worst football day of my life!!!
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I edited that straight away and left it for 30 mins before I took that paragraph out, simply because I misread your post, and apologise and edited immediatley.

And Im guessing the treatment Magro recieved was simply a payback for all the times our players got urinated, slapped, clawed, scratched and spat on at Vic Park ;)
 
No, it was purely and simply because Magro spent the day trying to kill Bartlett - and was unable to lay a glove on him because he couldnt catch him!!!
 
worthy said:
A true great of the game, outstanding record and list of achievements, B&F's in Premiership years with a very good list of players he beat out for.

Why isn't he often spoken about as one of the greats? He is in Richmond circles but seems to be often overlooked by other supporters.

Interested to hear others thoughts.
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because he never handballed!
 
and he could throw the Channel 9 Sports Camaro around Mt Panorama pretty decently...

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Dean3 said:
Let's start a thread so that everyone who doesn't barrack for Richmond can take armchair potshots at a 400+ game legend. :rolleyes:
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Damn Straight - he was a star when he played - was a loner with great discipline
 

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Aussie Joe said:
Bartlett was the heart of the Tigers. And they haven't found another player who give a stuff about the club since.

Hey, that's a good thing if you follow the other 15 teams in the league.:cool:
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I think that about Flea Weightman - is he still a runner?. Has more commitment in his little toe than most players going about it these days - sad but you get the feeling the jumper means nothing to half these blokes
 
worthy said:
These are the responses i'm looking for, I regard KB as a legend, I also remember seeing him play, there was a thread about the best 3 from each club and names like Francis Bourke and Jack Dyer were rightly mentioned but Bartlett not as often ( just tried to have a look to confirm but couldn't find it).
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My bad, I just found it and almost all Tiger posters had him top 3.
 
Aussie Joe said:
Bartlett was the heart of the Tigers. And they haven't found another player who give a stuff about the club since.

Hey, that's a good thing if you follow the other 15 teams in the league.:cool:
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You absolute tool. Have you seen who our young players have as mentors?? Past greats.

Dale Weightman has been involved with the club since he retired. Brian Taylor is currently our forwards coach.
 
itsintheblood said:
This thread is truely laughable. Those of you who mock KB's achievements truely are totally clueless. No idea whatsoever. His dispute with the club revolves around him being sacked as coach. Nothing more, nothing less. He's let it go on for far too long and that's a real shame.

His playing ability and his standing as a great of the game cannot be questioned.
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Mate, most of the posters on here would never have even seen him play, their ideas of rough play is a jumper punch. Of course he was a great player, playing in an era when the hard men played, he was great to watch and a great bloke.
 

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Worthy started a thread asking why Bartlett doesn't seem to receive the same recognition as other VFL legends. Most people on here seem incapable of reading comprehension and immediately see this as a bag KB / praise KB thread.

I agree with Worthy and disagree with Dean3.
Bartlett probably hasn't received the same fanfare as other legends.

- his omission from the Team Of The Century
- his belated inclusion as one of the "legends", not one of the original choices
- his name NEVER appears when people discuss "the best ever".

I tried to give some reasons why I thought this might be so.

Anyone who watched Bartlett play in the 70's knows how good he was. It goes without saying.
The man is a living legend. The question is why isn't he always seen as one.

Some possible reasons:
- He didn't win the Brownlow (he should've, but he didn't)
- He never won Mark Of The Year, he wasn't spectacular
- He made it look easy, he didn't have to "sell candy" as Brayshaw would say
- He is a humble, modest person.
- He drinks tea and goes to bed early.
- His brilliance used to sh1t people (just like Jason "lead and chest mark" Dunstall)
- Since his estrangement from Richmond over 15 years ago, most of the talk about KB has centred around the "Will he? Won't he?" comeback soap opera, rather than what a champion he was.

Someone mentioned Michael Tuck earlier in this thread. He's probably an even better example than KB of a humble, modest champion who never received his proper due, though he wasn't as brilliant as Bartlett.
 
Kicked 7 goals in a GF. That is a very select small group of elite players that can claim that achievement. Only better performance I've seen in my lifetime was Ablett kicking 9. But he walked away a loser.
 
Chewy said:
Worthy started a thread asking why Bartlett doesn't seem to receive the same recognition as other VFL legends. Most people on here seem incapable of reading comprehension and immediately see this as a bag KB / praise KB thread.

I agree with Worthy and disagree with Dean3.
Bartlett probably hasn't received the same fanfare as other legends.

- his omission from the Team Of The Century
- his belated inclusion as one of the "legends", not one of the original choices
- his name NEVER appears when people discuss "the best ever".

I tried to give some reasons why I thought this might be so.

Anyone who watched Bartlett play in the 70's knows how good he was. It goes without saying.
The man is a living legend. The question is why isn't he always seen as one.

Some possible reasons:
- He didn't win the Brownlow (he should've, but he didn't)
- He never won Mark Of The Year, he wasn't spectacular
- He made it look easy, he didn't have to "sell candy" as Brayshaw would say
- He is a humble, modest person.
- He drinks tea and goes to bed early.
- His brilliance used to sh1t people (just like Jason "lead and chest mark" Dunstall)
- Since his estrangement from Richmond over 15 years ago, most of the talk about KB has centred around the "Will he? Won't he?" comeback soap opera, rather than what a champion he was.

Someone mentioned Michael Tuck earlier in this thread. He's probably an even better example than KB of a humble, modest champion who never received his proper due, though he wasn't as brilliant as Bartlett.
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:thumbsu: Spot on, I was discussing this at work today with some passionate AFL followers and I asked, who are the top 3 Richmond players of all time, Bourke, Hart, Dyer and Roach were common responses with KB after some thought, I agree that KB would be top 3 at Richmond and an all time great, but other than Tiges supporters is rarely spoken of as being an all time great with players like Mathews, Skilton, Carey, Ablett and so on.
 
There is no doubting he is a great of the game.
His commentary skills are a little outdated. His SEN show is ok and he has a fantastic knowledge of most sports, but he is too stubborn to accept some differing opinions and just dismisses opinions that are valid, but he does not like in some issues.
His lack of involvement of Richmond is pig-headed and selfish. He doesn't have to be involved in anything officially, but at least turn up to the important functions he's invited to.
And on his radio show I wish he would stop making those, old-man, noises with his mouth, you know like he's eating oatmeal or something and he keeps rustling his papers.
As I said there is no disputing he is a great of the game.
 

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