Kevin Sheedy vs Leigh Matthews (as coach)

[Happy Mastenator]

Doesn't that demonstrate a difference in coaching ability though? Mathews got 3 premierships out of his superteam, Sheedy only got one out of his 'team of the century'.

Look at that team though and it's great but hard to call it the team of the century. Geelong of 07-13 were far better man for man for example.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Hmmmm...... I think you have to take in to account the advantages granted the Lions for their three-peat.

Essendon are the only AFL team judged to have breached the salary cap in a premiership year (1993).
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/7-biggest-salary-cap-scandals-in-sport-422301

 

[Jade]

Essendon are the only AFL team judged to have breached the salary cap in a premiership year (1993).
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/7-biggest-salary-cap-scandals-in-sport-422301

And that changes my point because.....?

 

[Hawk Dork]

think about it

 

[Jade]

think about it

Mate, I'd ask the same of you - you've clearly misunderstood the comment.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Essendon never had 3 Brownlow medalists at their peak in any of his sides.

Perhaps although I'd argue that Paul Barnard was clearly robbed of a brownlow.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Look at that team though and it's great but hard to call it the team of the century. Geelong of 07-13 were far better man for man for example.

I'd happily agree with you in another thread however this kind of thinking undermines what I'm trying to say in here.

Spoiler: spoiler

they aren't even in the top 3 teams this century if you ask me

 

[Schraderbrau]

Essendon are the only AFL team judged to have breached the salary cap in a premiership year (1993).
http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/7-biggest-salary-cap-scandals-in-sport-422301

+1, Essendon are also the only club to have half their players suspended for taking a banned substance. They've done heaps of bad stuff that's not really relevant to this thread fwiw

 

[Jade]

Look at that team though and it's great but hard to call it the team of the century. Geelong of 07-13 were far better man for man for example.

I would argue that to the death.

Essendon of 2000 was the best side ever assembled IMO.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

I would argue that to the death.

Essendon of 2000 was the best side ever assembled IMO.

Because they won 21 games in the regular season? Collingwood in 2010 should've won 21 games, lost to the Cats by a few points after an official umpiring error cost us the game, and I'm betting Essendon's % wasn't as good as ours, and mate, I wouldn't have that Collingwood team in the top 4 AFL sides.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I would argue that to the death.

Essendon of 2000 was the best side ever assembled IMO.

I'd argue that the geelongs midfield was better in every match up. Hard to have the best team when you get beaten head to head in every midfield matchup.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I would argue that to the death.

Essendon of 2000 was the best side ever assembled IMO.

Not even the best Essendon side....1985 was clearly superior.

 

[Jade]

Because they won 21 games in the regular season? Collingwood in 2010 should've won 21 games, lost to the Cats by a few points after an official umpiring error cost us the game, and I'm betting Essendon's % wasn't as good as ours, and mate, I wouldn't have that Collingwood team in the top 4 AFL sides.

I think you mean 2011 friend.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

I think you mean 2011 friend.

Yep my bad.

 

[Donakebab]

Yep my bad.

Essendon also went on to belt the living daylights out of every side in the finals series, while Collingwood struggled to even make the GF then were comfortably beaten by Geelong. Not even comparable.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Essendon also went on to belt the living daylights out of every side in the finals series, while Collingwood struggled to even make the GF then were comfortably beaten by Geelong. Not even comparable.

We just belted the living daylights out of every team in the comp bar Geelong in the regular season, you don't get a % like that for nothing, and FWIW I wasn't suggesting our 2011 team was as good as your 2000 team, but there's no chance in hell you were better than Brisbane-Geelong or Hawthorn.

 

[Jade]

We just belted the living daylights out of every team in the comp bar Geelong in the regular season, you don't get a % like that for nothing, and FWIW I wasn't suggesting our 2011 team was as good as your 2000 team, but there's no chance in hell you were better than Brisbane-Geelong or Hawthorn.

Better than all three.

They were all just longer lived.

No contest really.

*edit* - especially Hawthorn; a bog average premiership side - all four of them.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Better than all three.

They were all just longer lived.

No contest really.

*edit* - especially Hawthorn; a bog average premiership side - all four of them.

LOL.

think about it

Probably a bridge too far.

 

[Jade]

LOL.



Probably a bridge too far.

Mate, the 2000 side shits on any premiership side Hawthorn has produced in the last decade.

The fact that you have FOUR to choose from is impressive as all hell - but you aren't a crash hot side, you rightfully should be regarded for the average (historically) side that you are.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Mate, the 2000 side shits on any premiership side Hawthorn has produced in the last decade.

The fact that you have FOUR to choose from is impressive as all hell - but you aren't a crash hot side, you rightfully should be regarded for the average (historically) side that you are.

B2B2B>>>2000.

Barney/Clarko>>>Sheedy

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Mate, the 2000 side shits on any premiership side Hawthorn has produced in the last decade.

The fact that you have FOUR to choose from is impressive as all hell - but you aren't a crash hot side, you rightfully should be regarded for the average (historically) side that you are.

Oh so we get to cherry pick a timeline that suits you? How many flags did this best team ever assembled of yours win?

 

[Jade]

B2B2B>>>2000.

Barney/Clarko>>>Sheedy

Agree on the bolded. I'd take three flags over one any day.

The 2000 side was still better than anything Hawthorn have ever put on the park.

 

[Jade]

Oh so we get to cherry pick a timeline that suits you? How many flags did this best team ever assembled of yours win?

One, and one only.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Agree on the bolded. I'd take three flags over one any day.

The 2000 side was still better than anything Hawthorn have ever put on the park.

Nah....The 1988/1989 side would have romped home.

 

[Jade]

Nah....The 1988/1989 side would have romped home.

The 88/89 side (take your pick to be honest) was no match for the 2000 side.