Key Forward

[Freomaniac]

read a write up in a phantom-draft on a kpf:
#26 – Carlton: Mitchell Harvey – KPF – (198cm-100kg)
One to watch. Harvey is a big strong power forward who is having a sensation year for North Adelaide in the U18’s and in his four games he has bagged 20 goals. He has really come on this year. Strong mark and a reliable kick for goal. A few things to work on, but the talent is clearly there.

sounds promising

get him.

 

[whiteoak]

Yes, technically they are unloading, but it was short notice.

 

[scon]

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Yes, technically they are unloading, but it was short notice.

Tony at the front,Jack bringing up the rear;on their way to the boning room where Libba's competitive-nasty-black-heart will be transplanted and replace Jack's dispassionate-public-school-pump to create the uber-KPF.

 

[estibador]

 

[Alfonz]

Pick 1: Jonathon Marsh
Pick 2: __________ (KPD)
Pick 3: Mitch Thorpe
Pick 4: __________ (MID)
There'll be a midfielder in there I'd presume and hopefully a KPD(second pick as harder to find late than talented mids), any players spring to mind.

I don't think we should use our first 3 picks on talls. A KPP at our 2nd pick would have no better chance of making it than a rookie pick.

If we want any decent talls, we should trade for them, maybe look at mature age picks with late/rookie selections, or ideally get them through free agency (like we've been trying). I'd stick to selecting mainly mids in the draft. Possibly use our 1st Rounder on a tall, depending who is available.

People should go through each year's draft and see how many good KPP (not ruckmen) are picked. It is depressingly low ... usually about 3-4 each year, maybe the odd year with say 6. And the majority of the good ones go top 15.

 

[Freomaniac]

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Yes, technically they are unloading, but it was short notice.

To use some famous Quotes from the legendary Merchant of resident evil 4.



Ha ha ha welcome..... I will buy it at a high price... got some rare things on sale stranger.....Is that all stranger?.... not enough cash stranger.... got a good selection of good things on sale stranger... what are you selling?.... what are you buying?....


and for my personal favourite....

"I see you have an eye for things, Its not about Shootin, its about the Reloadin, you know what im talking about."

 

[Freomaniac]

On your current form, just buy a heap of roeys and sedate any male over 195cm and 85kg that you can find. We'll do the rest.

If you do happen to come across Jack Watts, make sure to reserve a special female section for him for the trip over.

He'll also need seperate change rooms to the boys.

To be brutally honest, we should have got Matt Rendell for a season or 2, hes got a knack for getting Key Position players.

 

[rgauci]

A few points:

1) Has Harry Taylor actually signed? No official announcement as yet.

2) Games are won in the middle, our midfield is great, but needs to keep improving. If a top midfielder falls to our round 1 pick I'd still pull the trigger, but if a tall of equal standing was available you'd grab the tall. Our midfield isn't at Sydney's level, I can't see Suban, Mzungu, Sutcliffe, DeBoer walking into the Sydney team, even Crowley may find it difficult to break into their line up. We need to achieve a point where our worst would get games anywhere. I would hope that Morabito, Michie, Simpson take us there, or the aforementioned keep improving, but our midfield is hardly a finished product.

3) Tanner Smith and Matt Taberner are showing big promise compared to our previous KP recruits. They seem a natural progression to Pavlich and McPharlin. No-one is expecting them to be as good, but they could play a role. Remember West Coast won a flag on the back of Hansen and Lynch in the key posts with an elite midfield. If we use a 1st round pick on a tall via the draft or trade I would hope the rest are mediums and smalls. Otherwise we might be left in West Coasts current predicament. Plenty of talented talls but absolutely nothing coming through in the middle. They have potentially the most vanilla blend of midfielders ever assembled.

4) Plenty of good ideas being thrown around; Thorpe, McGovern, Watts, McKernan, Gumbleton etc. I'd leave it to our recruiting department to make the best choice.

 

[prattsta]

You're a cracking poster prattsta, and always have been. But we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

For such a highly rated junior to never have taken one single game by the neck and shaken the shit out of it, let alone having never fired a realistic shot in over 60 games, tells me all that I need to know.

That's fair enough. It's a fairly safe bet that Watts will never reach the lofty heights expected of a #1 draft pick. If he could get his shit together and turn into a solid AFL player though, it would be a pretty good outcome for whatever team he ends up with (probably Melbourne).

I don't want to bugger up the 'now' (which is working great) with a silly trade. Particularly given it will get even better with Pavlich and Walters back in the fold. Beyond 2014 though, I do worry about how our forwardline is shaping up.

Personally, I'm all in on the 'super talented small/medium fwds surrounding a resting ruckman and token KPP X' set-up that we seem to be working towards. We've certainly got the mid/fwd rotation happening at the moment. There is no shortage of talented ruckman at Fremantle either. It's the 'token KPP X' spot that worries me. If Silvagni wasn't +190cm no f'n way would he be playing in our side right now. No way, no how.

 

[whiteoak]

That's fair enough. It's a fairly safe bet that Watts will never reach the lofty heights expected of a #1 draft pick. If he could get his shit together and turn into a solid AFL player though, it would be a pretty good outcome for whatever team he ends up with (probably Melbourne).

I don't want to bugger up the 'now' (which is working great) with a silly trade. Particularly given it will get even better with Pavlich and Walters back in the fold. Beyond 2014 though, I do worry about how our forwardline is shaping up.

Personally, I'm all in on the 'super talented small/medium fwds surrounding a resting ruckman and token KPP X' set-up that we seem to be working towards. We've certainly got the mid/fwd rotation happening at the moment. There is no shortage of talented ruckman at Fremantle either. It's the 'token KPP X' spot that worries me. If Silvagni wasn't +190cm no f'n way would he be playing in our side right now. No way, no how.

Agreed on all points. Silvagni is indeed the fortunate recipient of a bad circumstance. He's just not AFL quality, (in terms of the quality of our squad at present), and would be the first one put on the trade table imo.

Too many people hang their hat on his one game against Buddy and tend to forget that Buddy is probably the biggest hot/cold player in the comp at present.

 

[george2]

I don't think we should use our first 3 picks on talls. A KPP at our 2nd pick would have no better chance of making it than a rookie pick.

If we want any decent talls, we should trade for them, maybe look at mature age picks with late/rookie selections, or ideally get them through free agency (like we've been trying). I'd stick to selecting mainly mids in the draft. Possibly use our 1st Rounder on a tall, depending who is available.

People should go through each year's draft and see how many good KPP (not ruckmen) are picked. It is depressingly low ... usually about 3-4 each year, maybe the odd year with say 6. And the majority of the good ones go top 15.

So you have obviousley already put a line through Howson, Taberner, Hannath and Smith then.

 

[Taylor]

So you have obviousley already put a line through Howson, Taberner, Hannath and Smith then.

That's a bit dramatic.

It's just pure statistics. The best players are taken with the first 10, the rest get more and more speculative as you go until they plateau at a low chance of succeeding. The modern draft system isn't conducive to quality talls lasting until second picks.

 

[Freomaniac]

I don't think we should use our first 3 picks on talls. A KPP at our 2nd pick would have no better chance of making it than a rookie pick.

If we want any decent talls, we should trade for them, maybe look at mature age picks with late/rookie selections, or ideally get them through free agency (like we've been trying). I'd stick to selecting mainly mids in the draft. Possibly use our 1st Rounder on a tall, depending who is available.

People should go through each year's draft and see how many good KPP (not ruckmen) are picked. It is depressingly low ... usually about 3-4 each year, maybe the odd year with say 6. And the majority of the good ones go top 15.

There has been a few Key Position players that have been taken very, very early in the National Draft those few key position players that are chosen in the top 10 turn out to be very good as you could tell from the moment you draft them, they will become very good or at least serviceable.

A few good KPPs taken in the top 10 in the past... Our Own Pav, Darren Glass, Leigh Brown, Pat Ryder, Buddy franklin, J Roughead, Josh Kennedy (the one at west coast), Both Nick and Jack Riewoldt, Kosi, Luke McPharlin

 

[Wigarus]

There has been a few Key Position players that have been taken very, very early in the National Draft those few key position players that are chosen in the top 10 turn out to be very good as you could tell from the moment you draft them, they will become very good or at least serviceable.

A few good KPPs taken in the top 10 in the past... Our Own Pav, Darren Glass, Leigh Brown, Pat Ryder, Buddy franklin, J Roughead, Josh Kennedy (the one at west coast), Both Nick and Jack Riewoldt, Kosi, Luke McPharlin

Kepler Bradley.

 

[Freomaniac]

A few points:

1) Has Harry Taylor actually signed? No official announcement as yet.

2) Games are won in the middle, our midfield is great, but needs to keep improving. If a top midfielder falls to our round 1 pick I'd still pull the trigger, but if a tall of equal standing was available you'd grab the tall. Our midfield isn't at Sydney's level, I can't see Suban, Mzungu, Sutcliffe, DeBoer walking into the Sydney team, even Crowley may find it difficult to break into their line up. We need to achieve a point where our worst would get games anywhere. I would hope that Morabito, Michie, Simpson take us there, or the aforementioned keep improving, but our midfield is hardly a finished product.

3) Tanner Smith and Matt Taberner are showing big promise compared to our previous KP recruits. They seem a natural progression to Pavlich and McPharlin. No-one is expecting them to be as good, but they could play a role. Remember West Coast won a flag on the back of Hansen and Lynch in the key posts with an elite midfield. If we use a 1st round pick on a tall via the draft or trade I would hope the rest are mediums and smalls. Otherwise we might be left in West Coasts current predicament. Plenty of talented talls but absolutely nothing coming through in the middle. They have potentially the most vanilla blend of midfielders ever assembled.

4) Plenty of good ideas being thrown around; Thorpe, McGovern, Watts, McKernan, Gumbleton etc. I'd leave it to our recruiting department to make the best choice.

Yeah we all would have known that Harry taylor would have signed.

I reckon our Midfield is fine for now... We should get another mid or 2 in the draft, but the priority is to get another key forward and Key defender.

 

[caterina]

Agreed on all points. Silvagni is indeed the fortunate recipient of a bad circumstance. He's just not AFL quality, (in terms of the quality of our squad at present), and would be the first one put on the trade table imo.

Too many people hang their hat on his one game against Buddy and tend to forget that Buddy is probably the biggest hot/cold player in the comp at present.

I don't rate Silvagni much on present form, but he played a number of good games in 2010 and a couple at the end of 2011 when he came back from that weird groin infection he had. It is not based on one game.

 

[whiteoak]

I don't rate Silvagni much on present form, but he played a number of good games in 2010 and a couple at the end of 2011 when he came back from that weird groin infection he had. It is not based on one game.

Yeah, but you're sensible. So it wasn't directed at you.

Plenty here reminisce about the day SNOS shut down Buddy, as if that made him a permanent fixture in the 22.

He got lucky. Buddy probably had a raging hangover.

 

[Freo Dr]

No rgauci Harry Taylor has not actually signed as admitted by Brownless last Weekend when RTB actually asked him directly on the Sunday Footy Show. Geelong still in the box seat but were going off a bit early.

 

[Freomaniac]

Yeah, but you're sensible. So it wasn't directed at you.

Plenty here reminisce about the day SNOS shut down Buddy, as if that made him a permanent fixture in the 22.

He got lucky. Buddy probably had a raging hangover.

Nope Silvagni out smarted him and out positioned him that game.

 

[willoblue]

to all those wanting another 195cm+ key forward so that Maybe can be the third tall target,
who says that the second "tall" needs to be so tall.
If we could get another Chris Mayne type then either Mayne or the "clone" could be the 2nd target, leaving the other as the 3rd target.
I know it was a long time ago, but in the days when they used to blindly hack it forward more than they do now, Hawthorn had a 186cm Brereton at CHF & a 188cm Dunstall at FF, & they went ok.
let's look for quality rather than centimetres. (that's what I tell the wife anyway)

 

[whiteoak]

Nope Silvagni out smarted him and out positioned him that game.

Just like how he out-smarted and out-positioned Tex Walker last year?

 

[Freomaniac]

to all those wanting another 195cm+ key forward so that Maybe can be the third tall target,
who says that the second "tall" needs to be so tall.
If we could get another Chris Mayne type then either Mayne or the "clone" could be the 2nd target, leaving the other as the 3rd target.
I know it was a long time ago, but in the days when they used to blindly hack it forward more than they do now, Hawthorn had a 186cm Brereton at CHF & a 188cm Dunstall at FF, & they went ok.
let's look for quality rather than centimetres. (that's what I tell the wife anyway)

Fine then lets just bring tony libertore and Phillip matera out if retirement then? Lets have an army of short people in our forward line.

 

[Freomaniac]

Just like how he out-smarted and out-positioned Tex Walker last year?

Silvagni was good, but he played terribly that night. Not his fault Ross Lyon only made him play a handful of games in 2012.

 

[willoblue]

Fine then lets just bring tony libertore and Phillip matera out if retirement then? Lets have an army of short people in our forward line.

when did they ever play key forward?

 

[whiteoak]

Fine then lets just bring tony libertore and Phillip matera out if retirement then? Lets have an army of short people in our forward line.

You need to stop losing sleep over this. It is becoming an obsession.

Silvagni is a just passable AFL player, nothing more.

Brace yourself for him not being here next year.