Key Forward

[Leslie_Chow]

Aaron Black would be the best option but may cost a bit too much. Unless we can package up our first rounder. He has shown a hell of a lot this season.

 

[sherrif]

Aaron Black would be the best option but may cost a bit too much. Unless we can package up our first rounder. He has shown a hell of a lot this season.

Black is under contract until the end of 2014 season. It would take an absolute ton for North to trade him with Petrie coming to the end of his career. Sheridan, Suban and our No 1 pick is the best I can come up with as a potential trade. Can anyone come up with something better to get Black to Freo?

 

[rgauci]

I would never trade those 3 for Black.

 

[Bicco]

Black is under contract until the end of 2014 season. It would take an absolute ton for North to trade him with Petrie coming to the end of his career. Sheridan, Suban and our No 1 pick is the best I can come up with as a potential trade. Can anyone come up with something better to get Black to Freo?

Tell him he actually has a chance to win a premiership here?

 

[Leslie_Chow]

I would never trade those 3 for Black.

I would trade our first rounder plus one of them....but that won't be enough.

Gumbleton would be the next clear option

 

[kp junior]

Tarrant would be cheaper from North you'd think. Hes more a proper KP player size isn't he?

 

[FD2646]

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Tarrant would be cheaper from North you'd think. Hes more a proper KP player size isn't he?

Yep about 196cm but has had injury trouble early in his career - shoulders I think?

 

[Paracleet]

Gumbelton is finished, forget it guys. Can hardly get on the park in the VFL and isn't kicking goals when he is. As for Kersten lets actually see if he can average more than 2 goals per game in the VFL before we think about coughing up something significant to 'get him home'.

 

[Sman-21]

Size isnt a big deal unless we want them to play 70%forward 30%ruck.
All thats needed is a tall player who is a real forward.

Do not rate Tarrant at all.

Also trading 2 best 22 players for most clubs plus our 1st pick is way too much for Black.
I rate him but not worth all that.
Never thought much of Gumbleton other than being a stronger mark and more coordinated version of Keplar.

 

[sherrif]

Size isnt a big deal unless we want them to play 70%forward 30%ruck.
All thats needed is a tall player who is a real forward.

Do not rate Tarrant at all.

Also trading 2 best 22 players for most clubs plus our 1st pick is way too much for Black.
I rate him but not worth all that.
Never thought much of Gumbleton other than being a stronger mark and more coordinated version of Keplar.

Sorry, but the trade I put up in the earlier post of No 1 pick, Suban and Sheridan would definitely be the absolute minimum required to get Black to the club as he is contracted next year. With the effect the two new clubs have had on picking up nearly all of the promising key tall forwards for two drafts it has never been more difficult to recruit promising tall forwards as most teams require one and they are in short supply.

This argument always goes round in circles because people in this thread want a promising forward without giving up something significant in return. The fact is we have a surplus of promising mids and we definitely can afford to trade at least one them, perhaps even two of them and our No 1 pick to get a key forward.

The only other options are to either be patient waiting for one (a key forward) to become available in free agency or to rely on the national draft. Considering how very few drafts produce more than a couple of quality tall forwards outside of the top ten picks my view is that we have to trade. I think it would be a mistake to simply rely on the draft in an 18 team competition. Does anyone else have any real trade suggestions that could land us a key tall forward?
Crameri is a player who I think could be an asset. Not sure on the trade it would take to get him to the club and how much money we would have to pay him.
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[settingthebarLOW]

Maybe if Sheridan wants to leave we can just do a straight swap...in saying that though ive got no idea what kersten has been doing in the VFL. Has he been living up to his pre-draft hype at all. I remember how devo everyone was when we passed on him. Cant remember who we selected instead though.

As for Kersten lets actually see if he can average more than 2 goals per game in the VFL before we think about coughing up something significant to 'get him home'.

Gee, IMO the VFL site is pretty hard to navigate...

Buuuuut apparently Kersten kicked 38 goals in 17 games for Geelong 2nds in 2012, best haul of 6 against Casey.
This year 12 from 5, with a best of 4 against Werribee. Hasn't played VFL firsts (?) since June 1.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/team_i...nt=1-118-10583-253880-18717703&ocompID=253880

Apparently a hip injury is the source of strife amongst other injuries in the pre-season (heel, hamstrings), otherwise "the Cats had hoped would have made his AFL debut by this stage of the season" and he was "so highly rated by the Cats he was in contention for his AFL debut in Round 7 this year on the back of just two VFL games.".

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2013/07/09/368893_gfc.html

And we gave up Kersten for Forster (29), Sherro (16) and Croz (20) before he was selected at #34. 2 of which are Vics ex-Vics .

 

[Docker82]

Just thought I'd point out that Ross Lyon didnt trade Tom Lynch. He was traded by Scott Watters straight after Ross left. Unless someone can find something saying Ross had already made the decision before he left, the decision was made purely after Ross departed. In fact Lynch was actually given 6 games in his first three seasons, this might not sound like much but Ross had a reputation for not blooding youngsters. There are plenty of key forwards that have played less in their first few seasons and gone on to become very good players.

We need to look at teams with excess talls. Essendon, Adelaide, Sydney and North all come to mind. Lets throw a few names out there. Forget Riewoldt, it won't happen.

Scott Gumbleton (injury prone)
Tayte Pears (can we turn him into a forward? Also injury prone)
Tom Lynch (been fantastic this year, we'd have to pay a high price)
Josh Jenkins (gets games off back of ruck ability as well as being an average forward', not for us)
Lewis Johnston (injury prone, can't get a game when fit)
Jesse White (has talent but never been able to put it together, behind Tippett and Reid)
Aaron Black (good player but would cost a lot)
Robbie Tarrant (not so good player, would also cost a lot compared to expected output)
Lachie Hanson (been used as a defender this year, otherwise see above)

Personally I'm leaning towards White. Not injury prone like most of the others and could prosper when given the opportunity to be the no.1 key forward. Is he out of contract?

 

[Nickos66]

I remember when we picked up Forster, I was pulling my hair out that we left Kersten on the shelf in favour of another quiet, mild mannered, unsuspecting backman. Rumour was that he didn't pass our fitness test, something about being prone to soft tissue injuries or something?

As for Docker82's post, I that that was the case also, Lyon left before Lynch did.

 

[E Shed]

If we could get Gumball for nothing he's worth a punt. I'm starting to warm to White.
Black is no chance so scratch him. North are pretty good at keeping players. Ditto Hansen.
Raffle the rest really.
Mitch Thorpe come on down

 

[Alfonz]

Gumby for 3rd Rounder. Thorpe 4th/5th or rookie or PSD ... if someone else gets him, then so be it.

Black/Riewoldt would be the best options, but also can't see us getting them. Even with big $$$ that makes them want to head west, there are lots of other roadblocks.

 

[pokerspiv]

If you are gonna throw up the names of every tall forward in the comp, why not talk about the best two: Jarrad Roughhead or Jeremy Cameron?

Out of all the teams in the comp, GWS are in the best position to trade a key forward for a gun midfielder or ruckman, assuming they will have the services of Franklin, Patton and Cameron next year.

 

[salim malik]

If trading some of our young surplus mids to a club who lack mids but have a surplus of key forwards Melbourne would have to be the go. Watts,Clarke or one of their early picks to ontrade ?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Just thought I'd point out that Ross Lyon didnt trade Tom Lynch. He was traded by Scott Watters straight after Ross left. Unless someone can find something saying Ross had already made the decision before he left, the decision was made purely after Ross departed. In fact Lynch was actually given 6 games in his first three seasons, this might not sound like much but Ross had a reputation for not blooding youngsters. There are plenty of key forwards that have played less in their first few seasons and gone on to become very good players.

We need to look at teams with excess talls. Essendon, Adelaide, Sydney and North all come to mind. Lets throw a few names out there. Forget Riewoldt, it won't happen.

Scott Gumbleton (injury prone)
Tayte Pears (can we turn him into a forward? Also injury prone)
Tom Lynch (been fantastic this year, we'd have to pay a high price)
Josh Jenkins (gets games off back of ruck ability as well as being an average forward', not for us)
Lewis Johnston (injury prone, can't get a game when fit)
Jesse White (has talent but never been able to put it together, behind Tippett and Reid)
Aaron Black (good player but would cost a lot)
Robbie Tarrant (not so good player, would also cost a lot compared to expected output)
Lachie Hanson (been used as a defender this year, otherwise see above)

Personally I'm leaning towards White. Not injury prone like most of the others and could prosper when given the opportunity to be the no.1 key forward. Is he out of contract?

White is not an upgrade on Taberner, there is no point on getting him.

Jack Reiwoldt
Aaron Black
Mitch Thorp - Invite him to train with us. If he is committed sign him.
Go to the draft

Keep talking to Jesse Hogan and hope to sign him in a few years times, keep patient the right player will become available via FA and until then we just need to draft some good players.

 

[Docker82]

White is not an upgrade on Taberner, there is no point on getting him.

Jack Reiwoldt
Aaron Black
Mitch Thorp - Invite him to train with us. If he is committed sign him.
Go to the draft

Keep talking to Jesse Hogan and hope to sign him in a few years times, keep patient the right player will become available via FA and until then we just need to draft some good players.

Tbh I disagree, White has shown in glimpses he can play at afl level, Taberner hasn't. He may not be the best player in the league but he a is better option than having no key forward at all or a player who simply isn't ready to perform at the required level. I honestly believe Black, Riewoldt and Hogan (for the moment) are a long way out of reach. I was a big fan of getting Black a few months ago before he started playing regular games. Unfortunately he is no longer a tradeable player and is seen as a massive part of Norths future.

We can learn a lot from the Adelaide model of 2011, they looked for undervalued kpps and traded them in for mid range draft picks. I agree Mitch Thorp and other draftees are worth the punt but we can't rely on draftees up forward if we want to be a top 4 side. Replacing Pavlich and McPharlin aside that is where we should be in 2015/16 but it needs to be done.

F*** you Schwab and Connelly. If it wasn't for you we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[theGav56]

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Replacing Pavlich and McPharlin aside that is where we should be in 2015/16 but it needs to be done.

F*** you Schwab and Connelly. If it wasn't for you we wouldn't be having this discussion.

At least Schwab got us MacPharlin.

I think we have the problem because none of Polak, Drum, Campbell or Murphy turned out. Under those two we had a really poor development record. Those four have a similar talent level to say Black, White, Beige, Thorpe etc.

 

[jusjoshin]

I think we should make a play for Reiwoldt, and send a headshrinker over to talk to Mitch Thorpe and see if he has his head screwed on.

Of the other names thrown around, NM will want the moon for Black. Tarrant isn't worth what they'll ask. Gumby may be worth a late 3rd rounder in trade, but not much more. Melbourne will cling to Watts now that he's started to show something.

I have a feeling we are waiting for the fallout from the Essendon investigation - there may be quite a few players who want out at the end of the season, and we may be able to pick up a couple of quality talls cheaply.

 

[Paracleet]

I think we should make a play for Reiwoldt, and send a headshrinker over to talk to Mitch Thorpe and see if he has his head screwed on.

Of the other names thrown around, NM will want the moon for Black. Tarrant isn't worth what they'll ask. Gumby may be worth a late 3rd rounder in trade, but not much more. Melbourne will cling to Watts now that he's started to show something.

I have a feeling we are waiting for the fallout from the Essendon investigation - there may be quite a few players who want out at the end of the season, and we may be able to pick up a couple of quality talls cheaply.

Not going to happen. Essendon certainly won't be allowing contracted players to leave en-masse because they don't like the 'culture' as it sets a precedent. One I fancy other clubs wouldn't be keen to encouage either

 

[Docker82]

At least Schwab got us MacPharlin.

I think we have the problem because none of Polak, Drum, Campbell or Murphy turned out. Under those two we had a really poor development record. Those four have a similar talent level to say Black, White, Beige, Thorpe etc.

Even there we massively overpaid for him. Luckily we have learn from the past and will not trade away high draft picks with little thought. Can't help but thisI this trade, the Headland trade, Carr trade and Tarrant trade really hurt us going forward. McPharlin was probably worth pick 10-15 at the time, Croad roughly the same. Trade should've been pick 4 and 20 for Croad and McPharlin, we were punched over way too easily just like we continued to be right up until the attempted Mitch Clark trade.

 

[kp junior]

Even there we massively overpaid for him. Luckily we have learn from the past and will not trade away high draft picks with little thought. Can't help but thisI this trade, the Headland trade, Carr trade and Tarrant trade really hurt us going forward. McPharlin was probably worth pick 10-15 at the time, Croad roughly the same. Trade should've been pick 4 and 20 for Croad and McPharlin, we were punched over way too easily just like we continued to be right up until the attempted Mitch Clark trade.

McPharlin in hindsight was easily worth a top 5-10 pick. A ten+ year gun and AA KPP.

 

[Docker82]

McPharlin in hindsight was easily worth a top 5-10 pick. A ten+ year gun and AA KPP.

Very true but was him and Trent Croad worth two 10+ year guns, multiple top 5 finishes in the brownlow and I'm guessing close to 10 AAs (???) that Hodge and Mitchell have put together. We are bloody lucky Elstone turned out a massive dud. No player is worth the no.1 unless they are top 3-4 players in the comp IMO. We're so lucky we won't do this again.

In hindsight we probably could've got Mcpharlin with just pick 4 if we had stood strong. It's not as if he was a superstar at the time. Hindsight is wonderful thing as they say.