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[jusjoshin]

Just a left field hypothetical, but what about Zac Clarke + Tom Sheridan + 1st round draft pick for Jesse Hogan before he makes his AFL debut? 3 potential starting 22 players for a club that pretty much need a whole new squad & already have tall fwd depth. I know Melbourne are supposedly hoping Jesse can be their future franchise player, but the guy hasn't kicked a ball yet. Unders or overs?

I've heard Peter Bell mention hogan twice on 6pr as a potential recruit, not that it means all that much.

We are trading out a lot of talent there. Zac Clarke will be one of the best rucks going around very soon (he's already better than average). Sheridan looks pretty good himself, does not panic, has clean skills. That's quite a few eggs in one basket. We could do all that and he has injury issues like Mora, or Gumby. We would be eviscerating our team for years into the future.

 

[holy diver]

Just a left field hypothetical, but what about Zac Clarke + Tom Sheridan + 1st round draft pick for Jesse Hogan before he makes his AFL debut? 3 potential starting 22 players for a club that pretty much need a whole new squad & already have tall fwd depth. I know Melbourne are supposedly hoping Jesse can be their future franchise player, but the guy hasn't kicked a ball yet. Unders or overs?

I've heard Peter Bell mention hogan twice on 6pr as a potential recruit, not that it means all that much.

I would love to get J. Hogan but that is paying way overs.
Z. Clarke is very much a required FFC player in my opinion.

Hypothetically for that kind of trade they could throw in Frawley, Howe or someone like Nathan Jones who deserves to play at a better club. Melbourne would never let those players go though.

 

[Wizard]

I think we need to forget about Hogan, at least for the next two seasons anyway. Simply put we ARE NOT GETTING HIM!

 

[manpurple]

I think that we would be foolish to trade Zac unless he was determined to go. On the other side of the coin we have a bunch of young reasonable mids that are only getting limited time with us and would slot in well with others. I think that trading one of these for a draft selection improvement makes sense and if we can get a reasonable forward out of it bonus.

In reality we have a bunch of money that may make us look good to some forwards but we don't want to loose what we have (trade a class mid or ruck) to get what we need (a good forward) at the trade table. Consequently we are left with he PSD and free agents. The good free agent forwards are gone and for every Luke Ball there are 5 Jack Anthony's in the PSD.

Nope I think that our best bet is to trade for a reasonable (good enough for 2-3 yrs) forward and to draft as well as we can.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I think we need to forget about Hogan, at least for the next two seasons anyway. Simply put we ARE NOT GETTING HIM!

What if Melbourne get Boyd as well?

 

[jusjoshin]

What if Melbourne get Boyd as well?

Then they'll have totally stacked their forward line with Clark, Dawes, Watts etc.

They would still need to get the ball up there.

 

[Nickos66]

What if Melbourne get Boyd as well?

Then their wealth of forwards will be earning the easiest coin in the country - twiddling their thumbs and playing hopscotch in an empty paddock while the defenders are up the other end contemplating suicide.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Hey guys,

Just read the last few pages only of your thread, I'm more realistic than others about trades. Gumby won't be delisted like I've seen on of you guys posted, you don't keep a player for 6 n 1/2 years for 30 odd games too delist him haha.

Right now Gumby should be in our best 22 we all wonder why he isn't playing in the ones especially with his highlight reel from the weekend. With Gumby it's going to depend on our other KPP, if we lose TBC or Pears I can see the club keeping him. If we lose Pears that should mean Hurley goes back which opens a forward slot for Gumby.

There are multiple clubs looking at Gumby they would be dogs, Freo, blues, pies and possibly saints (but saints need a KPB first). I do believe Gumby is worth at least a pick between 20 - 30. You guys have an abundance of small forwards/mids and you're able to let one go IMO. I like Crozier base on potential similar why people are looking at Gumby he has potential still and can offer a lot to a club.

Crozier is still young and has had bad luck with glandular fever but right now he is a glorified sub vest wearer and doesn't play regularly if your squad is fully fit. It would be nice straight swap Gumby for Crozier but I think Freo would think they are jibbed. So what you think of these trade hypotheticals?

Gumby + 3rd round for Crozier or Gumby + 2nd round for your 1st Round

 

[Taylor]

Gumby + 2nd round for your 1st Round

Depending on how things turn out that could be;
Our pick #15 for Gumbleton and pick # 20

Which Essendon wouldn't be too keen for.

 

[Nickos66]

I'd consider Gumby & 2nd rounder for our 1st, but in all likelihood you guy's won't have a 2nd rounder this year? Not taking a shot, but playing devils advocate here.

Gumby for our 2nd rounder I would contemplate.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Sigh . . . I might as well stick to the Essendon board since a proper trade discussion can't even take place. Currently right now, Essendon are innocent of any wrong doing, they are scheduled to play finals this year and receive draft picks next years. That may change it might not, none of us knows and frankly the whole thing is a total farce . . . Anyhow . . .

Gumby for 2nd rounder is the minimum Essendon would let him go at and that would be if he requested to go back home.

 

[Nickos66]

Sigh . . . I might as well stick to the Essendon board since a proper trade discussion can't even take place. Currently right now, Essendon are innocent of any wrong doing, they are scheduled to play finals this year and receive draft picks next years. That may change it might not, none of us knows and frankly the whole thing is a total farce . . . Anyhow . . .

Gumby for 2nd rounder is the minimum Essendon would let him go at and that would be if he requested to go back home.

Not sure if you're implying my post wasn't anything other than civil discussion? Nor was my trade hypothetical anything other than reciprocal to your post? I didn't intend to open a can of worms on your plight, but merely added a sensible throw-away line into the discussion as it's relevant.

It certainly wasn't aimed at degenerating the thread into tabloid discussion. I'm not sure what further amicable trade suggestions you were realistically after..?

 

[enoenoeno]

Gumby for 2nd rounder is the minimum Essendon would let him go at and that would be if he requested to go back home.

Not much you can do if he doesn't sign another contract though is there ... If he wants to go home and IF Freo want him, Essendon will have to take whatever we offer or we will get him for free in the PSD.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Dogs, blues, pies will get a chance to pick him up before Freo. Blues and dogs have more money to persuade him to stay in Melbourne, Mitch Clark wanted go home too supposedly.

 

[enoenoeno]

I'd be surprised if we would chase him given his injury history (and that he apparently failed a medical with Freo) - rather we would offer him a nice move home ...

Besides he would definitely be on the secondary list until the issues with your club are resolved one way or another

 

[Darcy 2 Fyfe]

We will be offering someone overs for sure. Gumbelton we won't be, he has chewed up enough cash for no return on Essendons list for a long time. If he comes to us it's on our terms, otherwise stay in Melbourne whether it be Essendon, Dogs etc.
White is who we should back in, he's athletic enough to suit our gameplan. He's about the age where he'll grow out of his soft stage too. Think Fraser Gherig pre and post Eagles.

 

[Taylor]

What do Essendon believe Morabito is worth? More or less than Gumbleton?

I think they are both third round picks now, based on risk and history. Except of course that Anthony has played a season of football.

I'm not trying to bring down Mora but if we can be realistic about HIS value then we can expect the same of other teams and their chronically injured players.

If Essendon can get a better pick from another team then more power to them. In my mind, I wouldn't pay any of our first half of picks on him. Essendon can pay him another year and again play Daniher ahead of him.

 

[Wigarus]

Hey guys,

Just read the last few pages only of your thread, I'm more realistic than others about trades. Gumby won't be delisted like I've seen on of you guys posted, you don't keep a player for 6 n 1/2 years for 30 odd games too delist him haha.

Right now Gumby should be in our best 22 we all wonder why he isn't playing in the ones especially with his highlight reel from the weekend. With Gumby it's going to depend on our other KPP, if we lose TBC or Pears I can see the club keeping him. If we lose Pears that should mean Hurley goes back which opens a forward slot for Gumby.

There are multiple clubs looking at Gumby they would be dogs, Freo, blues, pies and possibly saints (but saints need a KPB first). I do believe Gumby is worth at least a pick between 20 - 30. You guys have an abundance of small forwards/mids and you're able to let one go IMO. I like Crozier base on potential similar why people are looking at Gumby he has potential still and can offer a lot to a club.

Crozier is still young and has had bad luck with glandular fever but right now he is a glorified sub vest wearer and doesn't play regularly if your squad is fully fit. It would be nice straight swap Gumby for Crozier but I think Freo would think they are jibbed. So what you think of these trade hypotheticals?

Gumby + 3rd round for Crozier or Gumby + 2nd round for your 1st Round

Crozier recently signed a 2 year extension and apart from injury has pretty well been in the 22 since the middle of last year. I think Sheridan would be a much more likely prospect. I think the club would be mad to trade Sheridan for Gumbleton unless it came with another pick from Essendon say a 2nd rounder (which would be close to a 3rd round pick anyway due to your ladder position.

I reckon we could get White or Watts as KPF for Sheridan as a straight swap considering he was a first round pick 2 years ago and I think that both of those players would be better targets for Freo purely based on their ability to stay on the park. I think Gumby is probably the more talented but we really don't need injury prone players imo.

 

[kp junior]

His back surgery means higher injury risk for the rest of his career. I would prefer we avoided Gumbleton altogether

 

[Kunna17]

wouldnt mind gumbleton + pears for 2nd round + Sheridan as i think that it is probably overs but essendon fans would disagree. We could then still have a ping at white with an offer like, suban + 3rd Round which is maybe overs but affordable I think.
Ends up being:
gain - White, Pears, Gumbleton
lose - 2nd Round, Sheridan, Suban, 3rd Round
Problem is I do think we need to keep either our 2nd or 3rd round draft pick
so
Essendon
lose: Gumbleton, 2nd Round
gain: Suban, Sheridan
Fremantle:
lose: Suban, Sheridan, 3rd Round
Gain: Gumbleton, White
Sydney:
Lose: White
Gain: 2nd Round (Essendon) 3rd Round (Fremantle)

both other sides get good deals in my opinion and i think whilst our players we are letting go are really talented that the players we'd gain would add more to the club. Would like to throw up either Silvagni or Chrichton instead of Suban or Sheridan however I don't think we'd get the deal done

 

[Latro]

Why are people interested in a very injury prone player who is extremely mediocre?

 

[Bicco]

Give me one good reason not to.

 

[HirdyLannister]

What do Essendon believe Morabito is worth? More or less than Gumbleton?

I think they are both third round picks now, based on risk and history. Except of course that Anthony has played a season of football.

I'm not trying to bring down Mora but if we can be realistic about HIS value then we can expect the same of other teams and their chronically injured players.

If Essendon can get a better pick from another team then more power to them. In my mind, I wouldn't pay any of our first half of picks on him. Essendon can pay him another year and again play Daniher ahead of him.

Honestly I don't know much about Morabito, worth more or less I couldn't say I. But ill say one thing and it has been stated on the Essendon trade thread "demand and supply" certainly swings in Essendons favour as KPP are worth more. Last year EFC was offered pick 22 and 24 for Hooker and I was stagged and I was hoping the trade would be done, lets be honest all hooker was known for is couldn't chase buddy twice in one game. Now this year Im glade he wasn't traded he is worth more with the way he is performing and the stats indicate that too.

wouldnt mind gumbleton + pears for 2nd round + Sheridan as i think that it is probably overs but essendon fans would disagree. We could then still have a ping at white with an offer like, suban + 3rd Round which is maybe overs but affordable I think.
Ends up being:
gain - White, Pears, Gumbleton
lose - 2nd Round, Sheridan, Suban, 3rd Round
Problem is I do think we need to keep either our 2nd or 3rd round draft pick
so
Essendon
lose: Gumbleton, 2nd Round (Pears?)
gain: Suban, Sheridan
Fremantle:
lose: Suban, Sheridan, 3rd Round
Gain: Gumbleton, White (Pears?)
Sydney:
Lose: White
Gain: 2nd Round (Essendon) 3rd Round (Fremantle)

both other sides get good deals in my opinion and i think whilst our players we are letting go are really talented that the players we'd gain would add more to the club. Would like to throw up either Silvagni or Chrichton instead of Suban or Sheridan however I don't think we'd get the deal done

Essendon won't get rid of 2 KKP unless we gain over for them, only because if we give to many up we will have no depth which is now one of our strengths. It more a list management thing IMO same with Bellchambers atm it would have to be a great deal as we don't have any other ruckman after Ryder and TBC since it is expected Hille will retire at years end.

Why are people interested in a very injury prone player who is extremely mediocre?

His back surgery means higher injury risk for the rest of his career. I would prefer we avoided Gumbleton altogether

This is Gumby last weekend in the VFL he kicked 5.4 and he hasn't shown signs of his previous injuries that have crippled him for about a year. Far from mediocre the performance he has shown.

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The thing with gumby is I know murphys law will kick in and once he is traded he will kill it and not miss a game for 5 years, sorta like the doggies with higgins​

 

[yakka man]

Dogs, blues, pies will get a chance to pick him up before Freo. Blues and dogs have more money to persuade him to stay in Melbourne, Mitch Clark wanted go home too supposedly.

And he was an injury prone player too and look at how many games he has strung together for Melbourne. He could also play ruck.

Paddy Ryder is barely worth a first round pick and he is in your best 22 and not injury prone. Gumby is worth a 2nd rounder maybe.

Also a 5 goal hauls in the VFL is what AFL players should be kicking in the twos. Jack Anthony kicked 5 goals in a WAFL game last year, along with a couple of bags of four. And yet our list managers weren't trade him for draft picks.

 

[HirdyLannister]

And he was an injury prone player too and look at how many games he has strung together for Melbourne. He could also play ruck.

Paddy Ryder is barely worth a first round pick and he is in your best 22 and not injury prone. Gumby is worth a 2nd rounder maybe.

Also a 5 goal hauls in the VFL is what AFL players should be kicking in the twos. Jack Anthony kicked 5 goals in a WAFL game last year, along with a couple of bags of four. And yet our list managers weren't trade him for draft picks.

well I'm out of here after that statement of a guy who destroyed the nicnat/cox combo not long ago. An they call Essendon supporters deluded . . . It's been fun and I am happy to just discuss this, I do understand all supporters overprice their own club list which is normal.