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Leigh Matthews made a pretty astute assessment on the Bombers' game against Brisbane that was televised here. He said Gumbleton looked good in the air, but not nearly as mobile on the ground. Interesting how Freo looked at Gumbleton and the Roos' Lachie Hansen last off-season, but neither is lighting the world on fire so far this year.
 
GilG said:
Interesting how Freo looked at Gumbleton and the Roos' Lachie Hansen last off-season, but neither is lighting the world on fire so far this year.
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Would be great to have a KPF who does set the world on fire, but I don't think that is the actual requirement. Like the rest of the team which has surprisingly few match-winners considering the talent, the KPF is a structural component in the larger gameplan. We don't need a Coleman medalist. A power forward with strong contested marking and the ability to keep the ball live in our 50 adds to us structurally.

It is remarkable what Lyon has done considering the injuries deep into our stock of talls. He has diverted what would have been a fatal blow to our season by a uniform and consistant commitment by the players.
 
Tayl0r said:
I wouldn't touch any Essendon players until they are cleared. That goes double for the chronically injured players who made miraculous returns to senior football last year.
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Good point, I hadn't quite thought about the ASADA aspect of it. Dodged a bullet there, it looks like.

Anyone see Lyon laughing on the news at how Freo are connected to a different key forward every week when asked to comment about Jack Watts being recruited? More likely Bondy and Lloyd are doing the sneaky like they did with Pearce and Ross, but I can't think of any KPF on the market they are doing the sneaky with.

Our game plan seems to allow us to compete against most teams without a key forward by spreading our scoring options, much like Sydney. We do struggle though vs. teams with quality talls in their back line for lack of a target in our inside 50s because opposition players that can pluck a mark over our small and medium sized forwards' heads (Sydney and Hawthorn games in point.)

Given our depth in quality mids, monster sized ones in Fyfe and Barlow, and youth coming through, is there any chance any of our existing players can be trained to lead and be forward targets without affecting the strength of our midfield?

Having not grown up with the game and the comments I've seen here about people who start playing footy older not having the same instinctive read of the play, I wondered whether it was possible to remake someone to play another position effectively.

Lastly, we seem to cope ok with out KPF Pav, but note that our two losses the year has been without McPharlin. Our defence is a rock that's built upon our back line, and Macca is the general that will be very hard to replace.
 

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theGav56 said:
Would be great to have a KPF who does set the world on fire, but I don't think that is the actual requirement. Like the rest of the team which has surprisingly few match-winners considering the talent, the KPF is a structural component in the larger gameplan. We don't need a Coleman medalist. A power forward with strong contested marking and the ability to keep the ball live in our 50 adds to us structurally.

It is remarkable what Lyon has done considering the injuries deep into our stock of talls. He has diverted what would have been a fatal blow to our season by a uniform and consistant commitment by the players.
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Yet we are 6-2-1 without one.

A power forward isn't integral to our gameplan.

The ability to maintain our forward press and pressure is though.
 
GilG said:
Leigh Matthews made a pretty astute assessment on the Bombers' game against Brisbane that was televised here. He said Gumbleton looked good in the air, but not nearly as mobile on the ground. Interesting how Freo looked at Gumbleton and the Roos' Lachie Hansen last off-season, but neither is lighting the world on fire so far this year.
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Hansen was terrible once the ball hit the ground in the game against the wiggles. He took some great contested marks but the ground ball is really a struggle for him. Had not noticed this so much with gumbelton but it would not be surprising after his major back surgery and if this is the case it is not going to get better.
 
whiteoak said:
Yet we are 6-2-1 without one.

A power forward isn't integral to our gameplan.

The ability to maintain our forward press and pressure is though.
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To a degree yes. But whydon'twehaveboth.jpeg?

A great competitor in the air who clunks marks will give greater benefits to our small forwards and the team, than a Silvagni doing neither. When pav comes back we will improve exponentially
 
Lach72 said:
To a degree yes. But whydon'twehaveboth.jpeg?

A great competitor in the air who clunks marks will give greater benefits to our small forwards and the team, than a Silvagni doing neither. When pav comes back we will improve exponentially
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Not saying that it wouldn't be nice:thumbsu:. And, yes a fit Pav will make an enormous difference.

But it can be done without one. Especially if we lower our eyes little when going I50.

I suppose my point is more towards the posters who continually bleat about us not having one, and then claim that just about any spud running around who is 195+ and has kicked a goal will be our saviour and definitely worth a 1st rounder.:rolleyes:
 
Grape Bear said:
Good point, I hadn't quite thought about the ASADA aspect of it. Dodged a bullet there, it looks like.

Anyone see Lyon laughing on the news at how Freo are connected to a different key forward every week when asked to comment about Jack Watts being recruited? More likely Bondy and Lloyd are doing the sneaky like they did with Pearce and Ross, but I can't think of any KPF on the market they are doing the sneaky with.

Our game plan seems to allow us to compete against most teams without a key forward by spreading our scoring options, much like Sydney. We do struggle though vs. teams with quality talls in their back line for lack of a target in our inside 50s because opposition players that can pluck a mark over our small and medium sized forwards' heads (Sydney and Hawthorn games in point.)

Given our depth in quality mids, monster sized ones in Fyfe and Barlow, and youth coming through, is there any chance any of our existing players can be trained to lead and be forward targets without affecting the strength of our midfield?

Having not grown up with the game and the comments I've seen here about people who start playing footy older not having the same instinctive read of the play, I wondered whether it was possible to remake someone to play another position effectively.

Lastly, we seem to cope ok with out KPF Pav, but note that our two losses the year has been without McPharlin. Our defence is a rock that's built upon our back line, and Macca is the general that will be very hard to replace.
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What a great point about McPharlin. We lost twice to Adelaide last year without him (once for his suspension for his bump on Jack Darling in the Derby win; then after he was out because of a hammy problem). I still think we might've won that Final at Adelaide if he had played and manned up on Tex Walker.
 
freoextra said:
Hansen was terrible once the ball hit the ground in the game against the wiggles. He took some great contested marks but the ground ball is really a struggle for him. Had not noticed this so much with gumbelton but it would not be surprising after his major back surgery and if this is the case it is not going to get better.
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Interesting how both in terms of stats and injuries, Gumbleton and Hansen are like six of one and a half-dozen of the other.
 
Grape Bear said:
Lastly, we seem to cope ok with out KPF Pav, but note that our two losses the year has been without McPharlin. Our defence is a rock that's built upon our back line, and Macca is the general that will be very hard to replace.
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I've noticed lately that Johnson has looked like he is stepping up into an important leadership role, even if he is not the fullback that mcpharlin is I think he has the smarts to be the next general. Also Lee Spur is proving to be a gun back pocket and if he is the Glenn Archer double we are seeing now, I'm sure he can provide leadership in coming years. Without doubt ATM when we lose Macca we have big problems I'd say that the coaching staff would be working on contingency plans.
 
awaremind said:
I've noticed lately that Johnson has looked like he is stepping up into an important leadership role, even if he is not the fullback that mcpharlin is I think he has the smarts to be the next general. Also Lee Spur is proving to be a gun back pocket and if he is the Glenn Archer double we are seeing now, I'm sure he can provide leadership in coming years. Without doubt ATM when we lose Macca we have big problems I'd say that the coaching staff would be working on contingency plans.
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Totally with you on MJ being a leader. Whether he's hitting the switch from the backline, or kicking in when Paul Duffield isn't, there's not a cooler head on the ground.
 
awaremind said:
I've noticed lately that Johnson has looked like he is stepping up into an important leadership role, even if he is not the fullback that mcpharlin is I think he has the smarts to be the next general. Also Lee Spur is proving to be a gun back pocket and if he is the Glenn Archer double we are seeing now, I'm sure he can provide leadership in coming years. Without doubt ATM when we lose Macca we have big problems I'd say that the coaching staff would be working on contingency plans.
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Every time Spurr backs into a pack, or fills the space in front of a lead, he implicity shows leadership to everyone on the ground.:thumbsu:
 

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GilG said:
Leigh Matthews made a pretty astute assessment on the Bombers' game against Brisbane that was televised here. He said Gumbleton looked good in the air, but not nearly as mobile on the ground. Interesting how Freo looked at Gumbleton and the Roos' Lachie Hansen last off-season, but neither is lighting the world on fire so far this year.
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Gumby basically took himself off the market last year because of some sense of loyalty to the Bombers; misguided perhaps but he opted to stay with them on a one year deal.
He was travelling well in terms of fitness late last year and a club, possibly Fremantle, may have been agreeable to a two or three year deal.
It's moot now because he wanted to show loyalty to them.
He has effectively signed his death warrant now as i can't see any club wanting to gamble on him next year and he'll probably be cut by Essendon.
 
Fred Ziffel said:
Gumby basically took himself off the market last year because of some sense of loyalty to the Bombers; misguided perhaps but he opted to stay with them on a one year deal.
He was travelling well in terms of fitness late last year and a club, possibly Fremantle, may have been agreeable to a two or three year deal.
It's moot now because he wanted to show loyalty to them.
He has effectively signed his death warrant now as i can't see any club wanting to gamble on him next year and he'll probably be cut by Essendon.
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O_O

We're not going to cut him.
 

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Arcassius said:
Interesting the use of jibe and not jib :p Learnt something new - god bless BF forums.

Jibe - To change course by swinging a fore-and-aft sail across a following wind.
Jib - The triangular sail set between the foretopmast head and the jib boom.

Phrase is 'cut of your jib' - first used by Sir Walter Scott in 1824 to represent someone's general appearance or demeanour. So jibe is a malaproprism, but still with a nautical theme.
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My understanding jibes with yours.
 
paul8241 said:
Can't remember the original poster on here, but think moo may have had it as his sig for a while.
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The same question was also posed to the bean counter that ran for member election. I think he answered with something along the lines of 'I wasn't there during that period in the company's history' or something to that effect.
 
Just went and asked the North guys who were following the game. Apparently he did his knee in his draft year and has been playing state league in Tazzie and came over to Weribee this year to try and get drafted. Looks a real likely type to me. Ben Brown.
 
E Shed said:
Just went and asked the North guys who were following the game. Apparently he did his knee in his draft year and has been playing state league in Tazzie and came over to Weribee this year to try and get drafted. Looks a real likely type to me. Ben Brown.
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Remember the name, hopefully Chris25 can help us out.
 

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