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prattsta said:
I agree with this. That is kind of my point though; if we're not bringing in a superstar it's not worth worrying about.



Fair point, even that wasn't the best Pavlich-less lineup we could field though. Silvagni isn't even in the same class as Bradley up forward. Clarke/Hannath is by no means our best ruck/forward combo either.

At any rate, I think we're on the same page. We need a really good KPF in order to compete with the best. At the moment we have Pavlich, after that?...
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Yes, I agree we're on the same page.

I don't think these names Black, Kersten etc are the answer even if some of them are travelling nicely and might develop into stars.

The key forward that is important to how Ross Lyon's sides play football and what he believes wins premierships is a 25+ year old tall with over 100+ games experience, high running capacity, and smarts to get in the right places.

Jack Riewoldt fits that bill perfectly.
 
Docker82 said:
No it isn't. Tabs is way too skinny to play afl and is no where near afl standard yet, not to mention odds are he won't make it anyway. White has proven he can play at afl level, wafl players haven't. Also curious as to who these players are. Most of the top kfs in the wafl have already failed at afl level and had a record far worse than White when playing at afl level.

Personally I want to use our first two picks on kpps but let's put these scenarios forward.
1. There aren't any decent kpps available. We end up with none or end up with spuds
2. They are available but have to play at afl too early, shattering their confidence, meaning we are back where we started except with no pav. Not to mention the team rapidly falling down the ladder.

A mature kf would help these guys out massively. I don't want an injury prone forward as they'll likely be injured and not help the situation. The kids we draft won't be Jeremy Cameron or Jesse Hogan, there's a reason these guys went as high as they did. They won't be ready to go and will suffer if played as the no.1 key forward.
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Your not serious? Already writing off a 20 year old kid after 2 games and saying White is proven?
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. He is not proven after playing 50 odd games in 7 years. Just incorrect. Can you even find highlights anywhere for him? There are so many better players to be chasing than Jesse White.

We would be better off using the 3rd round pick it would cost to acquire White
 

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estibador said:
Hope not. Refer back to rule #1 of Moo's trading rules.
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Good boy Esti.


Moo said:
  1. Never trade with a cross town rival
  2. Never trade a number 1 pick
  3. Never trade a number 2 pick
  4. Consider trading a number 3 pick and then don't do it
  5. Know where your list is at all times in terms of development
  6. Draft best possible
  7. If all things are equal draft the non-moo/better person
  8. Still a tie draft for position
  9. Draft for footy attributes first and athletic prowess second
  10. If you ignore rules 6-8 do it only from round 3 of the draft
  11. if you are going to screw around and experiment do it with Round 4 of the draft +
  12. At least one of your rookies should be a young as possible freak or able to do something freaky (if desperate just draft a freaky name)
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Freo88 said:
Your not serious? Already writing off a 20 year old kid after 2 games and saying White is proven?
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. He is not proven after playing 50 odd games in 7 years. Just incorrect. Can you even find highlights anywhere for him? There are so many better players to be chasing than Jesse White.

We would be better off using the 3rd round pick it would cost to acquire White
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I'm not writing Taberner off. I'm just looking at history. I can't think of a single rookie listed forward that has made it apart from Podsiadly and he was a mature ager. (And Crameri as well but he's no kf IMO) With mature agers you could count the amount of kfs that offer more than White on one hand. And I'm talking guys aged 21+.

Happy to be proven wrong and am actually 50/50 on tabs making it ATM but it is not a definite that he'll make it. We need to have all bases covered. History shows the success rate with any pick we are likely to get in the next two years in very low. I would be more than happy with a stop gap option whether that's White or someone else. I just threw White forward as he's the only one out there I can see that we'd be able to get for a resemble price and has shown something at afl level. I might be in the minority here but I actually this White is a decent player, but nothing spectacular.
 
Freo88 said:
Your not serious? Already writing off a 20 year old kid after 2 games and saying White is proven?
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. He is not proven after playing 50 odd games in 7 years. Just incorrect. Can you even find highlights anywhere for him? There are so many better players to be chasing than Jesse White.

We would be better off using the 3rd round pick it would cost to acquire White
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Got a list?
 
teamex said:
Got a list?
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For starters kurt Tippett's bro who is playing well in the SANFL and also Thorpe. I would give Kepler another contract over White.

Freo's recruiters arent stupid i would be very surprised if they were thinking along the lines on Jesse White. Sydney have a similar system to us, we will get similar output from him over here which to me does not warrant us going after him.
 
Freo88 said:
For starters kurt Tippett's bro who is playing well in the SANFL and also Thorpe. I would give Kepler another contract over White.

Freo's recruiters arent stupid i would be very surprised if they were thinking along the lines on Jesse White. Sydney have a similar system to us, we will get similar output from him over here which to me does not warrant us going after him.
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No club in its right mind will touch Thorpe because of past discretions.
 
Freo88 said:
For starters kurt Tippett's bro who is playing well in the SANFL and also Thorpe. I would give Kepler another contract over White.

Freo's recruiters arent stupid i would be very surprised if they were thinking along the lines on Jesse White. Sydney have a similar system to us, we will get similar output from him over here which to me does not warrant us going after him.
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Not exactly a huge list of players beating down the door. Sure I agree give kep another contract but i struggle to see him having a bit impact. Hell be back, what, midway through next year? then takes three rounds to find a bit of form.

Fiar enough, sydney have a similar system, but the list is completely different.
Tippett, Reid and two or three others come into the fold before White, for us, it's only Pav and he's not got long left. If he comes cheap, he's worth a ping
 

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Freo88 said:
Your not serious? Already writing off a 20 year old kid after 2 games and saying White is proven?
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. He is not proven after playing 50 odd games in 7 years. Just incorrect. Can you even find highlights anywhere for him? There are so many better players to be chasing than Jesse White.

We would be better off using the 3rd round pick it would cost to acquire White
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Allow me to Mount an argument to get Jesse White...
1. 1st off Freo are not offering a 1st round draft pick to get him.
2. He is not going to cost a lot. I would be happy to pay $250-300,000 a year for 2 seasons to have him.



Now lets compare that to trying to get Mitch Clark in 2011 from Brisbane who went to Melbourne...
1. Brisbane just wanted pick 16 but then wanted ours picks 16 and 20 for him.
2. Mitch Clark demanded a $700-750,000 a year contract for 4 years.

Jesse White has shown that he can be a handy Forward. Also he is not injury prone as well.
 
Freo88 said:
Your not serious? Already writing off a 20 year old kid after 2 games and saying White is proven?
I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. He is not proven after playing 50 odd games in 7 years. Just incorrect. Can you even find highlights anywhere for him? There are so many better players to be chasing than Jesse White.

We would be better off using the 3rd round pick it would cost to acquire White
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Here you go... His 3 goals vs the crows in round 11 this year.






1. A contested mark then a set shot at goal.

2. Running and making a lead. Again another set shot at goal.

3. a good run and a running goal from a tight angle.


Judging by that, I would rather have him in Freos 22 than Kepler Bradley.
 
not a fan of White as a player at all.
my 2 cents worth says to look elsewhere.
perhaps WAFL, VFL, SANFL or Tassie league
 
Paracleet said:
I'm in inclined to agree with freo84 on this one. Ablett doesn't really count since it was silly money and mostly from outside the cap. Apart from Judd and Buckley how many other AAA superstars have left their club (lets say since footy became professional, late 80's?) for another before they were over the hill or had slept with another players wife or had otherwise given themselves cause to get the boot? Those three are the exception that prove the rule if you ask me.
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Tony Lockett
Barry Hall
Brendon Goddard
Gary Ablett Snr
Paul Salmon
Peter Bell
Matthew Primus
Darren Jarman
Kurt Tippett


That's just off the top of my head

Tippett marks the 3rd time that Sydney have managed to snag a premier key forward at the peak their career.
 

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kp junior said:
John butcher would be nice. Is he contracted after this year?
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I agree that we should be looking at Port Power as a potential trading partner during the off season as they seem to have quite a few tall forward options, with Butcher, Schultz, Westhoff, Shaw, Stewart & perhaps even others. Surely they can't all play in the same side.
Would they be keen to arrange a deal with one of our young mids or flankers?
I assume that Schultz & Westhoff would be off limits, but maybe one of the others could be traded.
 
willoblue said:
I agree that we should be looking at Port Power as a potential trading partner during the off season as they seem to have quite a few tall forward options, with Butcher, Schultz, Westhoff, Shaw, Stewart & perhaps even others. Surely they can't all play in the same side.
Would they be keen to arrange a deal with one of our young mids or flankers?
I assume that Schultz & Westhoff would be off limits, but maybe one of the others could be traded.
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I wouldn't be against Butcher or Shaw if they came cheap, but nothing does these days... Butcher would have to clear a medical for a start ;)
 
Seppo said:
I wouldn't be against Butcher or Shaw if they came cheap, but nothing does these days... Butcher would have to clear a medical for a start ;)
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what's Butcher's medical issues? I recall him being a high draft pick & having a couple of great games.
I also remember being impressed by Stewart in a game, but to be honest I haven't seen much of him.
 
If we played Fyfe as a forward/mid, and could find someone to replace him in the middle, could this
work?
With all the mids we have at our disposal, you would think we could play Fyfe in this role, similar to what
Pavlich used to do.
Mora's best position next year will also be interesting, Fyfe and Mora in the forward line would be interesting.
 

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