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prpl_jss said:
I don't get why people call for Fyfe to play forward.
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The key forward is the hardest spot to fill.
He is 192cm's, and can take great marks.
We could draft more midfielders or play Crozier, Michie, Mellington, etc etc in the midfeld but do not have anyone else who can play KPF.

With Pav out for three weeks, and it raining on Sunday are we better of to play Fyfe 50/50 forward and midfield and to go in with an extra midfeilder.

Playing Fyfe\Mundy in small stints in the foward line can create a miss match where a midfield is defending Fyfe\mundy who are 2-3 inch's taller than them.

We can not find a mature age KPF to save our selves, but I think finding another mid would be a lot easier.

This is why the temptation will always be there, I like the idea of him heading forward for 5 minutes bursts to rest and shake a tag.
 
go_the_dockers said:
The key forward is the hardest spot to fill.
He is 192cm's, and can take great marks.
We could draft more midfielders or play Crozier, Michie, Mellington, etc etc in the midfeld but do not have anyone else who can play KPF.

With Pav out for three weeks, and it raining on Sunday are we better of to play Fyfe 50/50 forward and midfield and to go in with an extra midfeilder.

Playing Fyfe\Mundy in small stints in the foward line can create a miss match where a midfield is defending Fyfe\mundy who are 2-3 inch's taller than them.

We can not find a mature age KPF to save our selves, but I think finding another mid would be a lot easier.

This is why the temptation will always be there, I like the idea of him heading forward for 5 minutes bursts to rest and shake a tag.
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In the "olden" days, this is exactly what the midfielders did for a rest - instead of going to the bench for a rest, the rover/ruckrover would go to the forward pocket.
 

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pokerspiv said:
The same reason we called for years for Pavlich to play Key Forward.
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What? They are nothing like each other. Pav has always been a key forward first, whereas Fyfe is a genuine midfielder.

If anything, we would just be recreating the Pav situation, in which we drag a player away from their best position.

Short stints forward is fine from Fyfe, but we need him on the ball.
 
prpl_jss said:
I don't get why people call for Fyfe to play forward.
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It's a compliment to his marking and ball gathering abilities. Think of who people compare him too (James Hird), many many times when Essendon needed a lift - Hird went "more foward" and won the game for them.

We think Fyfe can do this as well and when he does it consistently, he really will be comparable to Hird.
 
Noticed Fyfe spent more time forward in the Derby.

Dont want him spending alot of time forward as he is just too damn good at getting the ball through the middle.
Would love to see him going forward more often and resting in there instead of the bench.
 
paccraig said:
Are we underselling how good Mayne is as a key forward, in the new era of smaller KPfs'

ie "Chris Mayne is the tough forward every other AFL club covets, says Damian Barrett"
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-07-19/sliding-doors-round-17
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No
Mayne is a fantastic 3rd tall.
Can play small forward and big forward type roles.
Notice how much he struggles to get on the scoreboard without a real key forward in the team.
Not strong enough or skillfull enough to beat a teams #1 defender not to mention being doubled and triple teamed.
Put him 1 on 1 against a teams #2 or 3 defender and he will do well.
 
If you read through this thread it obvious that there is no easy answer to the problem of recruting a key forward. One player who hasnt been mentioned much, and is out of contract, who I think would really fit the RTB playing style is Crameri from Essendon. At 190cm and 96kgs he is a bit undersized to play key forward, but I think a forward line where the resting ruckman is the long target to support Pav as our marking targets, combined with Mayne (who would be matched up on the fourth tall defender), Balla and Walters with Crameri would work to form a potent forward line. .

Crameri has exceptional pace, as evident by his running goal where he ran away from Lukey Mac last season. He is also really strong, a terrific tackler and is a goal kicker, averaging 2.3goals per game this year. Our forward pressure would also improve with Crameri in the team (unlike some of the other suggestions like White), which is really important for RTB's gameplan.

I know he is from the Melbourne, but Essendon is reportedly very close to the salary cap after signing Goddard in 2012. If we offered him the security of a four year deal in the vicinity of 1.6million it would have to tempt him to sign with us. We could offer Essendon a deal of Sheridan and our first pick, which I think there is a decent chance they would agree to if they lose their first pick in the draft. (which appears highly likely as a result of drug investigations.)

Anyway. Crameri is the player that I think would provide a boost to our forward line immediately. We could then use our draft picks on developing talls to prepare for the post Pav years.
 
8 goals, didn't see that coming, could well be played forward however i still think we need somebody bigger + stronger, lets say Fyfe goes forward plays the 2nd/3rd tall reasonabely well ... until pav retires or is injured and goes to main target - likely gets mauled by his bigger 200+cm opponents and is far more valuable in the midfield, same situation as we have now comes across. Sure play him forward but he's no the answer we need a true KPF and Fyfe can play through the middle as well as resting forward. Even when Pav goes after we get this beast we need another or Tabs/Howson to be ready. Mora will likely play the role we're expecting fyfe to as it is better for his knees + he would burn his opponents up with his pace.
 
ozzie69 said:
In the "olden" days, this is exactly what the midfielders did for a rest - instead of going to the bench for a rest, the rover/ruckrover would go to the forward pocket.
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This could be more relevant than we think. Aren't interchange restrictions coming into play next year?
 
Docker82 said:
I'm not writing Taberner off. I'm just looking at history. I can't think of a single rookie listed forward that has made it apart from Podsiadly and he was a mature ager. (And Crameri as well but he's no kf IMO) With mature agers you could count the amount of kfs that offer more than White on one hand. And I'm talking guys aged 21+.

Happy to be proven wrong and am actually 50/50 on tabs making it ATM but it is not a definite that he'll make it. We need to have all bases covered. History shows the success rate with any pick we are likely to get in the next two years in very low. I would be more than happy with a stop gap option whether that's White or someone else. I just threw White forward as he's the only one out there I can see that we'd be able to get for a resemble price and has shown something at afl level. I might be in the minority here but I actually this White is a decent player, but nothing spectacular.
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The only other Key Forward I can think of that was a key forward from the rookie list that played in a Premiership team is Quentin Lynch at West coast. Even then 280 odd goals from 202 games in 11 years at west coast isnt too bad...

As Much as I like crameri, I would want to make sure that we dont pay over the odds to get him. Also his team has a drugs investigation hanging over the teams head.

I have said this before and I will say it again, I would prefer to get Jesse White from the swans on a cheap 2 year deal and get him vis the PSD or trade a 3rd or 4th round pick at the most.
 

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Freo88 said:
WAFL KPF's are better though, thats the difference. The bloke is not mobile and takes very few grabs. Why play him ahead of Tabs when it a perfect opportunity to develop him in the big time. It quite simply is a no brainer and i will eat my hat if our recuiters have even considered it.
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Good luck trying to find a Decent WAFL Key Position forward in this years draft. Freo are more likely to use the 1st round pick to get Jono Marsh. By the time Freo has their 1st pick by around 13-16, there wont be too many decent forwards around.
 
prpl_jss said:
I don't get why people call for Fyfe to play forward.
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Because midfielders who can kick goals and turn games around win Browlows, the umpires take note.
Our defensive pressure doesn't need a lot of work. The forward line will need tinkering if we want to lift the cup.
Darren Jarman is a perfect example of a mid/forward.
 
Sman-21 said:
Noticed Fyfe spent more time forward in the Derby.

Dont want him spending alot of time forward as he is just too damn good at getting the ball through the middle.
Would love to see him going forward more often and resting in there instead of the bench.
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In the days before Hill, Barlow and Fyfe, that was the same justification we used for running Pavlich through the midfield.

Here's why I think playing Fyfe forward is a good option:

1. We have an excess of good mids who aren't getting a game.
2. Fyfe's marking talents are largely wasted as a mid
3. He's a very good shot for goal

I'm not saying that he should play forward permanently, but I think on a wet day like tomorrow is forecast to be, with Pavlich out, he'd be my first choice to play Pavlich's position.
 
IMO we are going to get a KPF through one of the drafts ( doubtful) or FA (hopeful). I doubt we'll trade away picks. The club has said that they are looking at sustained success, playing finals every year, so that means picking the best available with our first pick, usually a mid. Without a good midfield it is pointless having good forwards (WC, NM) so we will always focus on maintaining/ improving this area each year. Last years draft will be typical of our strategy in upcoming years. If we can get another Smith or Tabs this year in the draft I am hoping that the prize of a starting 22 spot in a finals playing team will be motivation enough to get them to excell. This comes down to personality over talent, something coach Lyon can squeeze out of them.
I just can't see us giving up good picks ( 1st or 2nd round) for the hope of short term success. We may trade players though.
 
Obviously whether or not you give up a pick depends on the quality of the player you are getting. Are you seriously saying you wouldn't trade your first pick for someone of the quality of Jeremy Cameron or Joe Daniher?
 
hes definately worth a first round pick, hes not exactly old so it's not like we're selling the future but who would you prefer on your list, Jonathon Marsh or Jack Riewoldt, Jonathon could be anything but Jack is an absolute gun on his day. It's not like we've got the no.1 pick, people need to realise we dont suck anymore ;) suban + 1st Round or something like that is what I'd assume the trade would be and may well be unders however if he wants out Richmond have to take what they can get in which case we might get away with suban + 2nd round
 

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pokerspiv said:
Obviously whether or not you give up a pick depends on the quality of the player you are getting. Are you seriously saying you wouldn't trade your first pick for someone of the quality of Jeremy Cameron or Joe Daniher?
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Of course I'd give up a 1st round pick for one of these two, but they're not up for trade ( are they?). My point is along the more realistic lines of what others have posted with regards to who we might target/ be available in relation to a trade in an effort to improve our KPF stocks. Players such as Black, White and Crameri. If any of these required a1st or 2nd round pick, I don't think that the club would do it for the reasons I gave above. Your first sentence is correct though.
 
blue shark said:
Because midfielders who can kick goals and turn games around win Browlows, the umpires take note.
Our defensive pressure doesn't need a lot of work. The forward line will need tinkering if we want to lift the cup.
Darren Jarman is a perfect example of a mid/forward.
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key word there is midfielder. think about it.
 
wat about liam jones from the bulldogs? They really need some class players at the moment and will be good soon based on todays game, what about our first round pick + somebody like silvagni who would provide good leadership for their younger guys and create a physical presence. Not sure how highly he is rated however and might be untouchable.
 
+ John Butcher a good start for port looks like a good target to me
 

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