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Yeah it does seem like your old school gorillas are a dying bread. Decision making and disposal is a must. Surely you just keep it simple and not go through him when rebounding...
Analysis Key Position Defenders (going forward)
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Astbury or Tomlinson then as a free agent
As good as Haynes is he was always more your 3rd tall and lacked the size the above 2 have
As good as Haynes is he was always more your 3rd tall and lacked the size the above 2 have
Sam is/was the ultimate professional also very intelligent. Got cut from deep because they didn’t think he’d get back to full fitness after breaking his leg.
Neilson was let go because of his limitations, especially disposal and decision making. Also not quite big enough to be a genuine FB. Was really only 191cm I reckon.
Kieran Collins would one to keep an eye on. He was a gun junior, but like Neilson has kicking limitations.
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My mistake. Tyler Keitel is who I was thinking of not Sam.
Do you think Marsh is any chance to ever come back to AFL? Was looking good at Collingwood before leaving. May only want to play in WA though
Marsh is back in Victoria
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Rory Thompson this year as a free agent. Problem solved.
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Prefer Astbury or Tomlinson more strength and athleticism
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Astbury won't leave Richmond, and I reckon Tomlinson would cost too much.
We're only talking about adding depth, and if there's one category of player where you can pick a bargain, it's KPD players.
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Spot on snake.
I think the thinking has changed a little, that mature age state league players are no longer a lottery given the success of a number of defenders have had in recent years coming from state league.
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Sam Day is another free agent who has that size and athleticism
Astbury would be hard to move unless Richmond low ball him
Tomlinson I think is gettable though
Astbury would be hard to move unless Richmond low ball him
Tomlinson I think is gettable though
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Excellent. I’m sold on Thompson then.
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As predicted:
Roos consider state league talent to bolster backline
Nick Bowen
Feb 14, 2019 2:24PM
NORTH Melbourne is scouring state leagues across the country as it considers bolstering its severely depleted backline ahead of a round-one clash with Fremantle and its newly assembled raft of tall forwards.
The Kangaroos are facing the daunting prospect of taking on a Dockers' forward line likely to consist of Rory Lobb (207cm), Matt Taberner (199cm) and, injury permitting, Jesse Hogan (195cm) without their three best key defenders.
The Roos entered the pre-season knowing Scott Thompson would be unavailable against Fremantle because of suspension, but Majak Daw (hips and pelvis) and Robbie Tarrant (shoulder) have since gone down with injury.
Tarrant had been on track to play in the JLT Community Series before he was injured in Wednesday's intraclub game at Arden St, but North is confident he will be fit for round one after undergoing surgery.
Nonetheless, North coach Brad Scott told AFL.com.au the club was seriously considering recruiting a state league player to strengthen its key defensive stocks in the AFL's new pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP).
To do so, they would have to place Daw on the long-term injury list for the season, a decision Scott said the Roos would not rush into as they focus on the intercept defender's recovery from his fall from the Bolte Bridge in December.
"We've got (the SSP) as an option open to us. We're discussing that almost daily at the moment," Scott said.
"A lot of it will depend on who's available and how we see them as a fit for our team.
"We're certainly scouring the second-tier competitions across the country at the moment. We've got our own VFL team as well so we get a really close look at certain players.
"But we're not going to rush that decision. We would need to integrate them into our team and the way we play, so it won't be on the eve of round one I wouldn't have thought.
"But if we decide to go that way we'll wait as long as possible."
Scott said Daw's return to the club in recent weeks had been "uplifting for everyone", while he marveled at the 27-year-old's remarkable healing powers, saying his physical recovery was "way ahead" of what the club had envisaged six weeks ago.
However, Scott said North had not turned its mind to whether Daw could return to the field this year.
"Football, to be honest, is the furthest thing from our mind at the moment with Maj. It's purely around his short-term physical recovery and his long-term mental recovery, but both of those things are looking really positive," Scott said.
"I think the best way to approach it is simply to look at achieving certain milestones in terms of his recovery."
North's other key defensive options for round one include Ben McKay, Sam Durdin and Declan Watson, who has been training with the forwards group this summer, while Scott also notes players such as Ed Vickers-Willis (190cm) and Sam Wright (188cm) can man taller opponents.
Scott said Durdin remains "touch and go" for round one as he continues his recovery from a broken leg, but McKay has enjoyed a solid summer on the training track and the Roos coach believes he is a "readymade AFL key defender".
"This time last year a lot of sides would have been thinking if we lose a couple of key defenders we're going to be in trouble," Scott said.
"But I don't think anyone would have thought last year Jeremy Howe would be rated as an elite key defender 12 months later, and that's where he sits now.
"Sometimes it's not until you're forced into that position and you actually play those guys that you can get some pleasant surprises."
Scott said Durdin remains "touch and go" for round one as he continues his recovery from a broken leg, but McKay has enjoyed a solid summer on the training track and the Roos coach believes he is a "readymade AFL key defender".
"This time last year a lot of sides would have been thinking if we lose a couple of key defenders we're going to be in trouble," Scott said.
"But I don't think anyone would have thought last year Jeremy Howe would be rated as an elite key defender 12 months later, and that's where he sits now.
"Sometimes it's not until you're forced into that position and you actually play those guys that you can get some pleasant surprises."
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Roos consider state league talent to bolster backline
Nick Bowen
Feb 14, 2019 2:24PM
NORTH Melbourne is scouring state leagues across the country as it considers bolstering its severely depleted backline ahead of a round-one clash with Fremantle and its newly assembled raft of tall forwards.
The Kangaroos are facing the daunting prospect of taking on a Dockers' forward line likely to consist of Rory Lobb (207cm), Matt Taberner (199cm) and, injury permitting, Jesse Hogan (195cm) without their three best key defenders.
The Roos entered the pre-season knowing Scott Thompson would be unavailable against Fremantle because of suspension, but Majak Daw (hips and pelvis) and Robbie Tarrant (shoulder) have since gone down with injury.
Tarrant had been on track to play in the JLT Community Series before he was injured in Wednesday's intraclub game at Arden St, but North is confident he will be fit for round one after undergoing surgery.
Nonetheless, North coach Brad Scott told AFL.com.au the club was seriously considering recruiting a state league player to strengthen its key defensive stocks in the AFL's new pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP).
To do so, they would have to place Daw on the long-term injury list for the season, a decision Scott said the Roos would not rush into as they focus on the intercept defender's recovery from his fall from the Bolte Bridge in December.
"We've got (the SSP) as an option open to us. We're discussing that almost daily at the moment," Scott said.
"A lot of it will depend on who's available and how we see them as a fit for our team.
"We're certainly scouring the second-tier competitions across the country at the moment. We've got our own VFL team as well so we get a really close look at certain players.
"But we're not going to rush that decision. We would need to integrate them into our team and the way we play, so it won't be on the eve of round one I wouldn't have thought.
"But if we decide to go that way we'll wait as long as possible."
Scott said Daw's return to the club in recent weeks had been "uplifting for everyone", while he marveled at the 27-year-old's remarkable healing powers, saying his physical recovery was "way ahead" of what the club had envisaged six weeks ago.
However, Scott said North had not turned its mind to whether Daw could return to the field this year.
"Football, to be honest, is the furthest thing from our mind at the moment with Maj. It's purely around his short-term physical recovery and his long-term mental recovery, but both of those things are looking really positive," Scott said.
"I think the best way to approach it is simply to look at achieving certain milestones in terms of his recovery."
North's other key defensive options for round one include Ben McKay, Sam Durdin and Declan Watson, who has been training with the forwards group this summer, while Scott also notes players such as Ed Vickers-Willis (190cm) and Sam Wright (188cm) can man taller opponents.
Scott said Durdin remains "touch and go" for round one as he continues his recovery from a broken leg, but McKay has enjoyed a solid summer on the training track and the Roos coach believes he is a "readymade AFL key defender".
"This time last year a lot of sides would have been thinking if we lose a couple of key defenders we're going to be in trouble," Scott said.
"But I don't think anyone would have thought last year Jeremy Howe would be rated as an elite key defender 12 months later, and that's where he sits now.
"Sometimes it's not until you're forced into that position and you actually play those guys that you can get some pleasant surprises."
Scott said Durdin remains "touch and go" for round one as he continues his recovery from a broken leg, but McKay has enjoyed a solid summer on the training track and the Roos coach believes he is a "readymade AFL key defender".
"This time last year a lot of sides would have been thinking if we lose a couple of key defenders we're going to be in trouble," Scott said.
"But I don't think anyone would have thought last year Jeremy Howe would be rated as an elite key defender 12 months later, and that's where he sits now.
"Sometimes it's not until you're forced into that position and you actually play those guys that you can get some pleasant surprises."
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why don't we just use Close from our own VFL team?
He would’ve been perfect. But I believe he has walked away from the game for 12 months to fully recover from his head knock last year. It’s been confirmed by The VFL website that he isn’t on our list anymore.
Don’t think Marsh plays as a genuine key defender even though he is 193-194cm. Could play like Schofield from WC which would be okay as a temporary measure.
Tyler Kietal to me would be the most appealing, big lump of a lad, has been in the WAFL team of the year the last 3 years as a key defender and as a key forward.
Jonathan Marsh for mine, is just a gun footballer and is keen for another crack at the AFL. Still pretty young as well. Maybe not as tall as a Keitel but he's got the talent for sure. How many key backs can tear it up as an inside mid?
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No point going back to Nielson, the club would of had a good look at him and preferred a kid coming off an ACL.
I'd be looking at K.Collins personally. Was rated a top 20 draft pick for most of his top age year and is only 21. He's a big lump and probably the right type as a temporary stop gap.
But to think of all the luck - Durdin, EVW, Garner, Watson all with season ending injuries last year, the year before that we had Ahern sitting out the year, Majak looked odds on to be on the LTI a month ago, but is making a remarkable recovering to the point this is a very hard decision.
I don't envy the coaches, especially if Majak comes back fit and firing in the second half of the year.
This, however, is a bloody fantastic rule.
I'd be looking at K.Collins personally. Was rated a top 20 draft pick for most of his top age year and is only 21. He's a big lump and probably the right type as a temporary stop gap.
But to think of all the luck - Durdin, EVW, Garner, Watson all with season ending injuries last year, the year before that we had Ahern sitting out the year, Majak looked odds on to be on the LTI a month ago, but is making a remarkable recovering to the point this is a very hard decision.
I don't envy the coaches, especially if Majak comes back fit and firing in the second half of the year.
This, however, is a bloody fantastic rule.
He had real problems after his concussion.
Great choice
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This is overly optimistic. He hasn't broken in to a gallop yet.
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That's not going to help us THIS year, and he's loyal to Richmond. He's no Dusty.
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Very optimistic.
It has to be taken into account though.
Do we write off probably our best defender (statistically he was easily based on last year) for the year, to potentially stop gap a few games at the start of the season?
IF Majak is fit by finals, it would be a huge boost.
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IMO, there's no discussion to be had regarding this season, unless you can show me any decent comparisons.
I get why the club & supporters are heavily invested in a 2019 return, but if you're practical about this, it isn't going to happen.
We still need to assess if his high impact motor functions and loads are affected before we can conclude that he'll even play AFL again.
I'd be wanting to see what McKay offers as a key defender before I splash out big coin on another one.
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