Kick-outs.

[metallichris]

Both offensive and defensive.

The Hawks kicked out from our behinds and found a target so effortlessly that if we weren't as accurate as we were, another five goals or so could've been added on to the margin. They only had four but gee, they were clinical in moving the ball quickly to their forward line.

The defensive zone that Terry is imposing is not working, most likely due to the laziness of the player unwilling to chase. We are so terrible at zoning off, the Hawks went to the same spot each time on the flank 50m out and had so many numbers once this target was found.

This is something Terry definitively needs to work on.

Also we don't really have a designated kick-in player with Bowden being out of the side. I can't recall how many times we turned the ball over from the goal square, the Hawks zoned off so well that we couldn't find a target and were forced to kick it to a contest and expect the likes of Polak and Simmonds to out-mark four other players.

Thoughts?

 

[chrisjie]

Agree. Kicking out was terrible. Bombing it long to Polak/Simmonds shouldn't happen as much as it did.

But it's the Hawks style of game. They zone that midfield to half back area making it incredibly difficult to get it past. You need a run and carry player out of defense and a 50m kick over that zone to a lead up player. Easy said than done.

 

[sante]

Bring in Joel.

Can't really comment on our tactic when the opposition kicks in because you can't see what our tactic is on the TV.

 

[Sausage roll]

Both offensive and defensive.

The Hawks kicked out from our behinds and found a target so effortlessly that if we weren't as accurate as we were, another five goals or so could've been added on to the margin. They only had four but gee, they were clinical in moving the ball quickly to their forward line.

The defensive zone that Terry is imposing is not working, most likely due to the laziness of the player unwilling to chase. We are so terrible at zoning off, the Hawks went to the same spot each time on the flank 50m out and had so many numbers once this target was found.

This is something Terry definitively needs to work on.

Also we don't really have a designated kick-in player with Bowden being out of the side. I can't recall how many times we turned the ball over from the goal square, the Hawks zoned off so well that we couldn't find a target and were forced to kick it to a contest and expect the likes of Polak and Simmonds to out-mark four other players.

Thoughts?

100 per cent right. This cost us at least three goals and hence the game.

To see king and white kicking in was scary.

Why did we have to kick to a contest all the time?

 

[krustyman]

Kick outs have been rather haphazard, unfortunately they just cant find the target or move it out easily or retain posession to reset if no one can break free. Its so frustrating to see them turn it over in the back half. there are a few culprits who shouldnt be in the back half because they have dodgy disposal.

 

[turtle27]

We struggled tonite, and the Hawks we sensational from the kickouts. Something to work on

 

[Madtiger2006]

Newman is the best player to kick it in. Schultz kept bombing it long to a pack instead of a 30m pass to the lose player

 

[HBK619]

TBH I liked our kick-in plan tonight, the times we were poor was when we were kicking it 15-25 metres, but most of the time we kicked it 55 metres out to a pack of about 5-6 Richmond players, Polak or Richo being the main target with out mids crumbing to that which allows for more run out of the backline, as the Hawks forwards usually flood back or zone, it was a very old style of kicking in, which personally I rather than the 15-25 metre short kick-in.

In regards to Hawthorns kick-ins there was an obvious problem, I think we need to zone or something like that off the kick-ins, one problem that faces us is that if we are having a set shot many of our players will go down to the goalsquare to contest if the ball falls short, maybe a bit of faith in our players and a few less in the goalsquare would be better.

Although this is the only game where we have been really poor out from opposition kick-ins, the Collingwood match was more rebound that kick-ins.

 

[Coach_Required]

I dont think its so much our kickers who are stuffing it up but more those presenting leads half way up the ground. Most of the time its also the second and third kicks that resulted in our turn overs, we just couldnt find a way through hence why we had so many handpasses.

Agree with the hawks doing it easier though, perhaps this is where we are falling down, if we could bottle the game up like the hawks were doing to us then it maybe we could of had a few more scoring shots too.

You have to remember we kicked 4 points so most of the hawks rebounding was during regulation play. We struggled from kick ins.

 

[beaver's army]

I think it had more to do with the zone hawthorn put on. If any of you know how a 442 formation works in soccer it was much the same with hawthorns zone though with more players in it. They had about 3 or 4 lines of players going back to the centre and would move across and stay in line keeping the zone and not allowing any of our players to get much of a chance of getting it.

We need joel back for kickins he is one of our better kicks and is able to pin point passes most of the time.

 

[Bojangles17]

Bring in Joel.

Can't really comment on our tactic when the opposition kicks in because you can't see what our tactic is on the TV.

good point he's pretty good at kick ins, takes a few more gambles than sarge's bombs

 

[CoggaRules]

i dont underestimate the dawks defence of the kick outs either. THey had us all worked out, like they were on the job, we did ok considering.

 

[Calcium Man]

Its something that we have been poor at for a long time. Joel has brain freeze's all the time when kicking in and stuffs up. Where as opposition teams seem to stroll out of our forward 50.

I think we should just choose one player to do it and thats that. I dont know why Mcmahon doesnt do it. He is in the team for his skills.

 

[CoggaRules]

THis problem is fixed with one player in the side. Get Daniel Connors into the team FFS. Like whats the low down with this kid. We found a laser and he aint in the 1s???? WTF is going on tigers???

 

[Bazzar]

This is something Terry definitively needs to work on.

Why? one bad game with kick-outs and were in crisis mode.

Before anyone starts to jump up and down, go check Chapmion Data and see which team in the last season and a half, has scored the most coast to coast goals - Yep, you guesed it, the Tiges

 

[beaver's army]

Im still amazed that thats true. Ive always thought weve been poor at kick ins and struggle to get the ball into our attacking half of the ground

 

[Bazzar]

I was amazed as well. But the dude from Champion Data was on Mark Dorans SEN show 2 weeks ago and said it was a fact.

 

[W.Bulldogs_Aus_WC06]

I dont know why Mcmahon doesnt do it. He is in the team for his skills.

he is?
he stuffed it up twice from kick ins today, one early straight to roughead on the mark luckily roughed missed from 15m then again in a vital moment later on straight to a hawks bloke on the 50 which resulted in a goal.
He did this frequently at the Dogs but when he gets his confidence up he can be a good runner and passer

just dont give him the kick ins!

 

[metallichris]

Why? one bad game with kick-outs and were in crisis mode.

Before anyone starts to jump up and down, go check Chapmion Data and see which team in the last season and a half, has scored the most coast to coast goals - Yep, you guesed it, the Tiges

That statement was regarding our zone against opposition kick-outs.

I think we should just choose one player to do it and thats that. I dont know why Mcmahon doesnt do it. He is in the team for his skills.

Last night's kick-in efforts by McMahon can't help his campaign to be our designated kicker. Not sure why Newman wasn't used.

 

[Bazzar]

That statement was regarding our zone against opposition kick-outs.

No it wasnt. It was about the team with the most goals kicked from a kick-in from fullback.

 

[THE ONLY JESTER]

that would also mean the man who gets bagged j bowden would have to be responsible for setting most of these up.check the stats without him and we are 14th in coast to coast.

 

[chrisjie]

Did anyone watch On The Couch with the "Clarkson Cluster"

Showed perfectly how they zoned the half-back midfield area.

What I noticed is they had 3 on 6 in our forward line, and only ran back when we got clean possession. Our forwards should have pressed up the ground instead of just standing around hoping we'd get it through.

 

[Bazzar]

What I noticed is they had 3 on 6 in our forward line, and only ran back when we got clean possession. Our forwards should have pressed up the ground instead of just standing around hoping we'd get it through.

We may have lost the game, but we have bought to attention the game plan for the footy world to see. Whilst it was no real secret, it will be scrutinised like never before. The Hawks could come back to the pack a bit now thanks to Plough

 

[metallichris]

No it wasnt. It was about the team with the most goals kicked from a kick-in from fullback.

When I said it is something Terry needed to definitively work on, I was regarding to our defensive zone applied to opposition kick-ins. I wasn't commenting that that was what your statement was about.

My point about our kick-ins offensively, that was last year's stat and we had two designated kickers doing the job, Bowden and Newman.

 

[tigertiger]

Did anyone watch On The Couch with the "Clarkson Cluster"

Showed perfectly how they zoned the half-back midfield area.

What I noticed is they had 3 on 6 in our forward line, and only ran back when we got clean possession. Our forwards should have pressed up the ground instead of just standing around hoping we'd get it through.

yet they never flood, sure they don't