Kirkby to CARLTON!!!

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I hope we pick him up with pick 3 in psd!!!

As i was beginning to warm to knobel coming to carlton (By all reports he really got his hands dirty and involved in our training sessions) those richmond bastard$ with their shonky zantuck deal look set to select knobel!!!

It would be fitting for us to ******** richmond over considering kirkby has been training with the tigers as knobel has been training with the blues!!!

Oh and I'd laugh my head off if essendon didn't pick up zantuck in psd!!! Richmond would be royally f'd up the a then wouldnt they!!! ahaha :D
 

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I hope we pick him up with pick 3 in psd!!!

As i was beginning to warm to knobel coming to carlton (By all reports he really got his hands dirty and involved in our training sessions) those richmond bastard$ with their shonky zantuck deal look set to select knobel!!!

It would be fitting for us to ******** richmond over considering kirkby has been training with the tigers as knobel has been training with the blues!!!

Oh and I'd laugh my head off if essendon didn't pick up zantuck in psd!!! Richmond would be royally f'd up the a then wouldnt they!!! ahaha :D
How would that be ********ing Richmond over?

Richmond obviously want Knobel more then Kirby otherwise they would pickup Kirby with their first pick.

Anyway didn't I see you write somewhere that Kirby was a dud? if this is so would you want Carlton to pickup a dud?

You certainly are a funny little thing BlueBoy83
 

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If Richmond pick Knobel and noone picks Zantuck, would they be over the salary cap?
Why does everyone think that Richmond is close to the salary cap ? We are only just making the minimum payments required ! We have heaps of room in the cap but just no money available to spend!
 

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Why does everyone think that Richmond is close to the salary cap ? We are only just making the minimum payments required ! We have heaps of room in the cap but just no money available to spend!
If that's the case, can you still afford to pay for Knobel if no-one picks up Zantuck? Or do the Tigers know for sure that Ty will be taken, and so arent worried?

on Kirkby, isn't it interesting that someone who no club will touch across 60 odd national draft picks, suddenly becomes such "hot" property?!
 

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on Kirkby, isn't it interesting that someone who no club will touch across 60 odd national draft picks, suddenly becomes such "hot" property?!
Yeah, its like 16 cubs cooincidentally forgot about him on that particular day. Clubs didn't pick him because they obviously think he isnt good or they underrate him.
 
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French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!
 

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Why does everyone think that Richmond is close to the salary cap ? We are only just making the minimum payments required ! We have heaps of room in the cap but just no money available to spend!
But aren't hacks like Gassier on massive contracts anyway >
I reckon SC restrictions more than anything made them lose Blottens ...
 

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French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!
I don't get it? why does frenchtiger have to get a grip, he just stated the obvious which is Richmond has plenty of room in their salary cap they just don't have the actual money in the bank. Maybe you should follow your own advise perhaps?.

Thats for the good luck, but when you get 5 picks in the top 30 you don't need luck you just need a good football department to nuture the talent which we should get under Terry Wallace, Brian Royal and David King.

I can't believe how upset Carlton supporters are getting about Richmond potentially getting the servicable but certainly nothing special Knobel (although admitly most of them seem to be 13 year old troll posters, not Carlton members who actually know what they are talking about)
 

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But aren't hacks like Gassier on massive contracts anyway >
I reckon SC restrictions more than anything made them lose Blottens ...
For whats its worth, Gaspar took a large paycut this year, Richmonds problems are not in its salary cap, but with the clubs actual finances. However as shown by Carlton this can be turned around pretty quickly.

I'm more then happy to be replacing Ottens who has disc problems in his back with Simmonds who I rate quite highly.
 

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French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!
Thats because everything he said is correct. And who the hell are you to say that we have to go outside the rules to get our way, we havent done this and correct me if im wrong but your team Carlton was caught for cheating, going over the salary cap i would call that going outside the rules, going outside the rules is when you cheat not do stuff according to the rules.
 

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I don't get it? why does frenchtiger have to get a grip, he just stated the obvious which is Richmond has plenty of room in their salary cap they just don't have the actual money in the bank. Maybe you should follow your own advise perhaps?.

Thats for the good luck, but when you get 5 picks in the top 30 you don't need luck you just need a good football department to nuture the talent which we should get under Terry Wallace, Brian Royal and David King.

I can't believe how upset Carlton supporters are getting about Richmond potentially getting the servicable but certainly nothing special Knobel (although admitly most of them seem to be 13 year old troll posters, not Carlton members who actually know what they are talking about)
well i dont know about the others but im an interstate member ;) .... im not a troll but i express my opinions!!! I konw many carlton supporters are ********ed off at demetreo for letting your shonky zantuck deal go thru go to TBV or CFC for this!!!

i feel sorry for poor trent in all this ... i was growing to the idea of him playing for us!!! Now he's experienced the highs and soaked in the atmosphere of being a part of the mighty CFC and all it stands for etc and now he is forced to head down to the absolute rabble you are at tigerland :eek: !!!!

but as everything happens for a reason i hope we pick a good kid and PLEASE DONT LET US TAKE MCKEE/PORTER!!!!

but i DONT WANT KIRKBY ... i just hope he's either a dudd and you pick him up or he turns out to be a good player and someone else picks him up!!! :D
 

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but i DONT WANT KIRKBY ... i just hope he's either a dudd and you pick him up or he turns out to be a good player and someone else picks him up!!! :D

The only thing worse then a troll, is a troll who trys to claim to legitimate poster,

If you don't have anything decent to write then go back to your cave.
 
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French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!
You must have been balancing Elliot's books - as you have no idea!
Carlton were the ones caught cheating the salary cap and you'll be paying for it big time in the future as all you can muster is other clubs rejects.
Coutta on a million$ - and you think we're a joke?
 

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You must have been balancing Elliot's books - as you have no idea!
Carlton were the ones caught cheating the salary cap and you'll be paying for it big time in the future as all you can muster is other clubs rejects.
Coutta on a million$ - and you think we're a joke?
i wouldnt be calling ne other clubs players dudds mate!!! ;)

KOUTA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAMPBELL!!! :D
 

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well i dont know about the others but im an interstate member ;) .... im not a troll but i express my opinions!!! I konw many carlton supporters are ********ed off at demetreo for letting your shonky zantuck deal go thru go to TBV or CFC for this!!!
Well they need an education. Nothing shonky about the Zantuck deal at all. We paid him out. Any club is entitled to reach a financial settlement with a contracted player if their salary cap can accomodate it. That is what we have done.
 

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Well they need an education. Nothing shonky about the Zantuck deal at all. We paid him out. Any club is entitled to reach a financial settlement with a contracted player if their salary cap can accomodate it. That is what we have done.
I wouldn't worry about it Weaver, I also made the mistake of trying to be logical. They are just some Carlton trolls trying to do some stirring (although all they are doing is highlighting their own stupidity.
 
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All i have to say is if the Afl checked your books over you must be close to over the cap


not wooried if we dont get Knobel just use french and Deluca


and pick up a young gun like Betts or Jesse Smith or maybe take Zantuck and let Pagan turn his attitude around just the versatile defender we need but that is Pagans choice happy with our list as it is just going to add a few bonuses
 

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You should read more caroline wilson and less herald-sun and you'd learn that the tigers are paying 75% of zantuck's salary and the rest will be paid by the club that draft him. Therefiore if he is drafted the 25% I think will be included ib the cap.The reason that McKee's back is buggered is just an excuse their using to draft knobel. The AFL backed down on croft's payout and they won't do anything if richmond go over the cap. The AFL pick their targets rather than having a level playing field.
 

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on Kirkby, isn't it interesting that someone who no club will touch across 60 odd national draft picks, suddenly becomes such "hot" property?!
Kirkby has a very underdeveloped body, and hence, the teams decided in the first round not to draft him. Then, the teams that didn't have high enough picks to think that they could get him, and hence, hadn't really paid much attention to him, didn't really notice him. Then, when he fell into the second round, A) teams already had their minds made up about 2nd round picks, and decided not to change them, and B) they were all kinda worried about why a guy would drop that far, and what the other teams must know about him to let him slide.

It is the same reason that the first pick of the 2nd round in the NBA Draft often turns out to be a better player than some of the later picks in the first round. It is because with a 2nd round pick, the contracts aren't guaranteed, and clubs aren't afraid of wasting their top draft choice, so the risk isn't as great.

Likewise in the AFL, the National Draft picks are often used on players that are sure bets, with players that are more risky looking at being taken with picks in the Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts. This is certainly true of players such as Kirkby, Grundy, Pearce and Betts, all of whom have concerns over their size, Kirkby with weight, Grundy as height for a KPP, and Pearce and Betts for height period.
 
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hahahaha getting a little defensive are we? Im a 13 year old non member troll?
Once again get a grip! I am a paid up member and am truly ********ed off by the way that the AFL has handled this. And for you to come out and say that this is all legit is a little hard to believe!
Good luck to the Tiges i'm sure you'll have a great year! :rolleyes:
 

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All i have to say is if the Afl checked your books over you must be close to over the cap

The afl checks EVERYONES books over, how else are they going to catch the clubs that cheat on the salary cap?

Anyway, the afl have come out and said we have enough room to have 2 picks in the PSD so we must be well short of the salary cap at the moment. Contrastingly St Kilda were told they can not afford to make a selection so will have to go with the 38 they have now.
 

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The disturbing thing about this to Carlton supporters is.... 2 weeks ago you wernt interested in Knobel and were going to take McKee.
You off load Zantuck but thats like a player retiring (His money should still count in full under the salary cap with the contract he signed- refer to F Brown and S O`Reilly)
In your case you made an arrangement where he is paid 3/4s and another club is to pick up the tab to bring you under the cap to afford Knobel and not McKee.
What were saying is how can the AFL agree to this when so far no club has actually guaranteed Zantuck will be drafted?
Logic would say that we do not want another Fabian Francis scenario. This could really blow up in someones face if Zantuck isnt taken.
The AFL should have not rubber stamped Knobel being taken by the Tiges because all of Zantucks contract should be counted under the current Richmond salary cap.BECAUSE we just dont know if any club will draft him.
They might, but we dont know that.
The trade period was the time to have the Zantuck situation dealt with by the clubs interested and Richmond. It past, he is still under contract and theres been some back room greasing of palms to work this out in a manner that has never been done before and its very uncertain.
In the meantime Knobel whos quite happy to go to Carlton goes to a club that couldnt actually afford him 2 weeks ago but can now by cutting loose a player on 250k who still has a year on his contract to go(With no club guaranteeing him JS)
Thats a frigging disgrace in our opinion and thats why were pi$$ed off!!!

Its not about Knobel its about shifting the goalposts all the frigging time!
 

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The disturbing thing about this to Carlton supporters is.... 2 weeks ago you wernt interested in Knobel and were going to take McKee.
You off load Zantuck but thats like a player retiring (His money should still count in full under the salary cap with the contract he signed- refer to F Brown and S O`Reilly)
In your case you made an arrangement where he is paid 3/4s and another club is to pick up the tab to bring you under the cap to afford Knobel and not McKee.
What were saying is how can the AFL agree to this when so far no club has actually guaranteed Zantuck will be drafted?
Logic would say that we do not want another Fabian Francis scenario. This could really blow up in someones face if Zantuck isnt taken.
The AFL should have not rubber stamped Knobel being taken by the Tiges because all of Zantucks contract should be counted under the current Richmond salary cap.BECAUSE we just dont know if any club will draft him.
They might, but we dont know that.
The trade period was the time to have the Zantuck situation dealt with by the clubs interested and Richmond. It past, he is still under contract and theres been some back room greasing of palms to work this out in a manner that has never been done before and its very uncertain.
In the meantime Knobel whos quite happy to go to Carlton goes to a club that couldnt actually afford him 2 weeks ago but can now by cutting loose a player on 250k who still has a year on his contract to go(With no club guaranteeing him JS)
Thats a frigging disgrace in our opinion and thats why were pi$$ed off!!!

Its not about Knobel its about shifting the goalposts all the frigging time!

well said!!!

its not that im in despair about losing knobell (although i know he could have helped) its just how ridiculous the whole thing is and if demetrispew etc rubber stamped it it is a complete and utter joke!!! your exactly right ... what guarantees (apart from say essendon committing which would be illegal b4 the draft to conspire such a deal ne way) do they have??? NONE i mean all clubs in psd could see zantuck as a bad sead and then what??? HMMMM i hope it happens just to see the ******** hit the fan!!!

for the record if we select mckee/porter/kirkby ill be ********ed off ... not sure what to think about zantuck? i know the age reckons we'll take him which would suprise a bit ... BUT ... im hoping we take a kid we think could play seniors next year ... Im hoping eddie betts, cooled on smith, becker etc

but this is an utter joke and the afl have some explaining to do as to why/how they could possibly rubber stamp this deal without knowing if zantuck will be picked up!!!

ne ways im off to watch some southpark ... BUT ... i just hope karma bites richmond on the arse and they manage to underperform as always!!! they deserve it!!!
 
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