Kirkby to CARLTON!!!

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The rubbish I've heard in this thread is nothing short of amazing.

1. Richmond are very close to the salary cap and thats why they had to seek clarification from the AFL as to whether drafting Knobel would put them over the cap. Any Richmond supporter who does not understand this has some serious mental issues.

Source: AFL.com article

"Knobel, who has been training with Carlton, is now likely to be the first player selected, with Richmond looking to add to its ruck division. It is believed the Tigers TPP could be the only hurdle in Knobel arriving at Tigerland."

Do you understand Tuggers?

2. Kirby is a dud so don't get too excited either Carlton or Richmond. There is a reason he wasn't drafted. And is basically amongst the top 20% of a bunch of duds. Worst draft in history = worst rookie draft in history. Don't believe the propaganda.

If he was any good he would also be selected before the preseason Duds that are going around.
 

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Ohwell In the the end I couldn't give two **********s about what the whinging Carlton supporters think (although I do like Carlton and am amazed by the brilliant job Pagan has done),

We are going to get a good relief tap ruckmen who can go bash about in the Ruck and give Simmonds a rest up forward. This should help our team structure a lot so I'm very happy about this outcome (providing we even pick him up).

Good luck with your pre-season draft selection Blues I'm sure you'll be able to find someone of a similiar ilk!
 
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Thats very kind of you Corporal! i believe Knobel will be good for your mob as i think Simmonds needs to be up in your forward line to replace ottens at chf leaving richo at ff.

I hope we dont take Zantuck this morning and go for a young fella but we'll have to wait and see wont we....And like the other Carlton supporters sid we're not angry about you pinching Knobel its the way its being done!!!

Good luck for this morning to all teams
 

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I hope we pick him up with pick 3 in psd!!!

As i was beginning to warm to knobel coming to carlton (By all reports he really got his hands dirty and involved in our training sessions) those richmond bastard$ with their shonky zantuck deal look set to select knobel!!!

It would be fitting for us to ******** richmond over considering kirkby has been training with the tigers as knobel has been training with the blues!!!

Oh and I'd laugh my head off if essendon didn't pick up zantuck in psd!!! Richmond would be royally f'd up the a then wouldnt they!!! ahaha :D
You sad sad bitter twisted individual.
 

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French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!

We are a joke are we ! We are the ones who were able to keep our early draft picks because we stayed inside the rules, unlike some ! & mate i was only stating a point , i wasn't having a go at anybody !
 

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The AFL had to approve Richmond taking Knobel because of its financial position. The AFL requires a club to have made certain cost cutting measures in the event it may wish to access the competitive balance fund. We haven't put our hand out yet, but would like to be in the position to do so if required. As the AFL has played a significant part in checking our business plan, we need to run past them a 200k+ expense.

How could we possibly be near 100% TPP? We just delisted 12 senior players including Ottens (450k) Zantuck (160k) Fiora (150+k), veterans in Kellaway & Rogers, and so far have replaced with draftees, Mark Graham at minimum wage and Troy Simmonds on 30% less than Ottens salary.
We haven't put Richo on the veterans list purely as a cost cutting measure so his full contract is counted in the TPP so we can reach the minimum 92.5% and take up space on the main list which means we don't have to recruit another player to make up the numbers.
 

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the teams that didn't have high enough picks to think that they could get him, and hence, hadn't really paid much attention to him, didn't really notice him. Then, when he fell into the second round, A) teams already had their minds made up about 2nd round picks, and decided not to change them, and B) they were all kinda worried about why a guy would drop that far, and what the other teams must know about him to let him slide.
No way. Maybe with the expected top couple of picks, but beyond that every club would know every top prospect to the finest detail, all clubs hoped players would slip through to them and several did eg. Knights to Crows - it didn't bother them that he'd dropped so far and no-one else was interested, they were wrapped to snare him. Lions were thrilled to get Wood so low. St Kilda had a "wishlist" of best available, and just crossed the names off as they were called out and drafted the top remaining prospect when it came to their pick, they didn't give a toss what other clubs thought.

With some of the later picks, sure they would've pencilled in who they wanted but if a good enough player had slipped thru, they would've taken them instead for sure.

For whatever the reason, Kirkby wasn't rated highly enough by a lot of clubs. However I suspect he might've been pretty close to next on the list for several clubs. Greg Miller rang him minutes after the draft apparently.

vinnie_vegas69 said:
Likewise in the AFL, the National Draft picks are often used on players that are sure bets, with players that are more risky looking at being taken with picks in the Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts. This is certainly true of players such as Kirkby, Grundy, Pearce and Betts, all of whom have concerns over their size, Kirkby with weight, Grundy as height for a KPP, and Pearce and Betts for height period.
This is a fair comment, agree with that, and this obviously affected how clubs rated Kirkby.
 

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The AFL had to approve Richmond taking Knobel because of its financial position. The AFL requires a club to have made certain cost cutting measures in the event it may wish to access the competitive balance fund. We haven't put our hand out yet, but would like to be in the position to do so if required. As the AFL has played a significant part in checking our business plan, we need to run past them a 200k+ expense.

How could we possibly be near 100% TPP? We just delisted 12 senior players including Ottens (450k) Zantuck (160k) Fiora (150+k), veterans in Kellaway & Rogers, and so far have replaced with draftees, Mark Graham at minimum wage and Troy Simmonds on 30% less than Ottens salary.
We haven't put Richo on the veterans list purely as a cost cutting measure so his full contract is counted in the TPP so we can reach the minimum 92.5% and take up space on the main list which means we don't have to recruit another player to make up the numbers.
Are you a moron? Can you read? Why would they skip on their last selection then? You are an idiot because Richmond have said they wont be applying for the competitive balance fund.

Its 100% about salary cap. Tugger fans just cant handle even if they do pay 100% of the cap they cant win. Only two clubs couldnt afford to use all their selections - St Kilda and Richmond. Shows Richmond's incompetence seeing they would almost be spoon favourites.
 

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Are you a moron? Can you read? Why would they skip on their last selection then? You are an idiot because Richmond have said they wont be applying for the competitive balance fund.

Its 100% about salary cap. Tugger fans just cant handle even if they do pay 100% of the cap they cant win. Only two clubs couldnt afford to use all their selections - St Kilda and Richmond. Shows Richmond's incompetence seeing they would almost be spoon favourites.
If we couldn't fit 2 selections in the PSD into our TPP, then we would never have been given 2 selections in the first place
Why wasn't StKilda given any selections at all?
How can we possibly be at 100% of the TPP? Have a look at our delistings for christ sake

We may have said we won't be applying for the CBF, but that doesn't mean that we aren't going to make the required expense cuts to make it available should we need it.
 

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If we couldn't fit 2 selections in the PSD into our TPP, then we would never have been given 2 selections in the first place
Why wasn't StKilda given any selections at all?
How can we possibly be at 100% of the TPP? Have a look at our delistings for christ sake

We may have said we won't be applying for the CBF, but that doesn't mean that we aren't going to make the required expense cuts to make it available should we need it.
St Kilda wasn't given two selection because it couldn't fit it in their salary cap.

Richmond were given two selections to start with. The selections are given as if you were paying the selections the minimum salary. So they could have fitted two players on minimum salary into the cap but not Knobel who would be on a bigger contract. Because of Knobel's bigger salary they had to pass on their second selection due to them not being able to fit Knobel and another player under the cap even if the other player was on minimum salary. Why would they pass if they had cap room and then select players in the Rookie Draft? that doesn't cut costs.

Ever heard of contracts that are increased as players get deeper into their contract?

You got rid of Ottens but picked up Knobel and Simmonds on over priced contracts. Got rid of Fiora but are still paying alot of Zantuck's contract. So because of Zantuck you are effectively paying an extra player.
 

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thank god we didnt take kirkby!!! im rapped to get betts, smith, becker and batson as a developing ruckman!!!

ps: richmond mustn't have been too interested in kirkby if they picked someone else with 1st pick in rookie draft ... i think hawthorn are stupid for selecting him if they didn't know ne thing about him!!! i have a big question mark over the guy now? hope he proves me wrong.

pps: richmond, essendon and the AFL got their way so they should be friggen happy now!!! :mad:
 

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Why not use a PSD pick and then use a rookie pick?
Because its cheaper, with a PSD pick you are required to offer a 2 year contract
A rookie selection is only 1 year and at a lower price
We didn't make the 2nd selection because we couldn't afford it, not because we couldn't fit it this should be simple enough for even you to understand

If we were so tight on TPP, why wouldn't we put Richo on the veterans list?
 

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Why not use a PSD pick and then use a rookie pick?
Because its cheaper, with a PSD pick you are required to offer a 2 year contract
A rookie selection is only 1 year and at a lower price
We didn't make the 2nd selection because we couldn't afford it, not because we couldn't fit it this should be simple enough for even you to understand

If we were so tight on TPP, why wouldn't we put Richo on the veterans list?
Why did they have to seek clarification as to whether or not drafting Knobel would put them over the salary cap? Are you that stupid to not be able to work out that?

Richmond passed on the 2nd PSD pick due to the salary cap constraints.

Then selected Thursfield with their first Rookie selection because they believe he has the talent to make it.

They then would have passed on their subsequent Rookie selections because the players that were available weren't in their opinion worth selecting because they didn't present a good enough chance of ever being AFL players to warrant Richmond struggling fininacially. Yes, struggling financially, drafting and developing players is expensive especially when they aren't a reasonable prospect. The worst draft in history = the worst rookie draft in history. Richmond passed up these players because of a lack of quality, it wasnt worth them spending the money. Just like Bulldogs in prior years.
 

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I was under the impression that they had to seek clarification with the AFL because our Finances are under review, no our salary cap.

But Robin Hood seems to know more about Richmond then anyone so I guess I'll just take his drivel as gospel.
 

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The AFL doesn't give a rats what you pay players as long as you abide by AFL rules.

Read the article it was because they were close to the salary cap.

No I don't know alot about Richmond, I just read and compute simple sentences.
 

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The AFL doesn't give a rats what you pay players as long as you abide by AFL rules.
Then why did the Western Bulldogs have to limit there cap to 92.5% two years ago to receive the payment from the competitive fund?.
 

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Robin Hood , whatever the case is ,you seem to spend alot of time talking/bagging Richmond !
Im not bagging Richmond IMO, Im saying they are close to the salary cap and trying to show you that you are. Im for truth not for rubbish.
 

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Im not bagging Richmond IMO, Im saying they are close to the salary cap and trying to show you that you are. Im for truth not for rubbish.
Its good to see you have changed your tune RH, it wasn't that long ago when I ranked you besides Davo Dog as BF's biggest trolls, however judging by your moderate posts it seems you are changing (although you still have a unhealthy obession with Richmond, although I guess most posters here seem to dislike Richmond!)
 

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Its good to see you have changed your tune RH, it wasn't that long ago when I ranked you besides Davo Dog as BF's biggest trolls, however judging by your moderate posts it seems you are changing (although you still have a unhealthy obession with Richmond, although I guess most posters here seem to dislike Richmond!)
thanks dude, :D
 

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your a twit blueboy83, you really know how to change your tune.
how am i a twit? :confused:

i was ********ed off at the afl's allowance of richmond's shonky deal!!! i know a lot of reputable carlton posters on other sites are/were equally ********ed off as me!!! knobell wanted to play for us and yet is forced to enter the turmoil at tigerland!!!

ps: im glad we didn't pick up kirkby ... i have a feeling he could/will be a complete dudd!!! not bagging him out ... just can't understand why all clubs would overlook him in national draft and then richmond in need of kpp overlooked him in rookie draft after training with them!!!

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How is the Zantuck deal shonky, because it screwed over Carlton?
It was an amicable agreement to terminate the final year of his contract. Completely legit. Deal with it.

Robin Hood - So just because a single article speculates that it had to do with a TPP issue, you take it as gospel?
Sorry, but we are paying 94% of TPP this year and will do the same next year, that doesn't even include Richo as a veteran. Half of our list is made up of kids under 21, we have no one to spend the money on other than Brown & Richo now that Ottens is gone.
The AFL approves the finances of every club before they participate in the PSD, as Richmond changed their intended selection they got approval again. The extra attention may have been due to the current financial situation, but thats all there is to it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, so why don't you go back to flogging over Ottens' poster
 
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