What if Poirt finish last and get pick 4? Matt Primus has talked about lacking non raw Ruck and longer is just that + he's young
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Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2011 Mock Draft
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What if Poirt finish last and get pick 4? Matt Primus has talked about lacking non raw Ruck and longer is just that + he's young
They will be very keen on longer...eitherway both the GC and Port should be taking up their interest in longer to try and make teh GWS make the play for him at #3. I think it is clear that the GWS cant afford to not have longer in their team
good points.
what about Elton. I missed his under 18 games, but word is they he didnt go very well. Could he be a darling like slider this year?
love the update...would be very very happy for the lions to draft dyson! He will add the balling winning and poise post the black era
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Would've thought Julian Dobosz to go earlier seeing as the KPF position doesn't have many players in the pool this year. Do you think Adam Oxley will get picked up this year? I was really suprised no one took him in last year, and by looking at his game in the u18 champs, clubs will be interested, surely? Spot on with Ahmed Saad as well, Collingwood was interested in him last year. Another one who I was suprised didn't get drafted in 2010.
Good of you to kick it off early Knightmare. Cheers. It gives a good baseline for others.
Balony - no way is GC going to take Longer. They have Smith who is a fantastic prospect and already a top shelf ruck in his first year, then Gorringe who was a high pick last year and looks good, then Nicholls who is a massive talent and will be a number 1 ruck in the AFL without any doubt then Thompson and Hickey who have talent and are improving quickly as well. Dixon can also play some ruck. In short if there is one position on the field GC are not going to be looking at its the ruck.
Port on the other hand would have to be a significant chance to take him if GWS don't.
I would love everyone to get concerned about Wingard being knocked out and fall to the Lions. Can't see it happening but you can dream. I would take him at number 1.
Balony - no way is GC going to take Longer. They have Smith who is a fantastic prospect and already a top shelf ruck in his first year, then Gorringe who was a high pick last year and looks good, then Nicholls who is a massive talent and will be a number 1 ruck in the AFL without any doubt then Thompson and Hickey who have talent and are improving quickly as well. Dixon can also play some ruck. In short if there is one position on the field GC are not going to be looking at its the ruck.
Port on the other hand would have to be a significant chance to take him if GWS don't.
I would love everyone to get concerned about Wingard being knocked out and fall to the Lions. Can't see it happening but you can dream. I would take him at number 1.
Hey Knightmare, I don't know if you've seen much of the GWS 17year olds like Shiel, Treloar, Cameron, Hampton etc but looking through the quality of what's predicted to be the top 10 or so of the draft, I'd say that quite a few of them would be definite first rounders if they were'nt signed to GWS. I think Shiel would be rated just as high as Coniglio even!
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Thoughts?
I personally like the GWS 17 year olds more than the GC ones although they have had problems with a few of them. Hampton looked like a star in the game I saw him play against GC ressies.
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Yeah, I would have the GWS 17 year olds ahead too. Hampton will be a huge talent, Edwards and Ugle too. Shiel and Treloar are as good as any midfielders remaining in the draft and Patton is the only one who can rival Cameron.
If GC trade their pick 4 to GWS for O'Meara in the mini draft it won't matter who they were going to pick and if Port ends up with the wooden spoon instead of GC they should be looking for a new coach not a new ruck!
What problems Quigley? Tim Golds leg?
What problems Quigley? Tim Golds leg?
i was thinking about this the other day, gc already had bock, steven may, coad and dixon as key position players and took day, lynch and sep tape in the first 15 picks in the draft and to be honest key defenders is by far gc's biggest list weakness.
i dont think gws have anyone of dixons quality as a kpp that i know of, so if they dont get some quality and quantity as uncontracted players are going to need to target kpp in the draft. i dont see alot after patton worth top 15 this year though??
patton >>>>>>>>>>> elton? only 2 that seem to be the general concensus for top 15. bussey, talia, kerston?? do they take one kpp at 2nd round and again whats left at 3rd?? i doubt it i think they could really reach for some guys in those 11-15 picks.
i dont think gws have anyone of dixons quality as a kpp that i know of, so if they dont get some quality and quantity as uncontracted players are going to need to target kpp in the draft. i dont see alot after patton worth top 15 this year though??
patton >>>>>>>>>>> elton? only 2 that seem to be the general concensus for top 15. bussey, talia, kerston?? do they take one kpp at 2nd round and again whats left at 3rd?? i doubt it i think they could really reach for some guys in those 11-15 picks.
Nice work Knightmare, after last years read I have been looking forward to going through the '11 edition.
Going to be very interesting to follow this draft and see how GWS list shapes up in comparison to GCS in both immediate output and potential.
Going to be very interesting to follow this draft and see how GWS list shapes up in comparison to GCS in both immediate output and potential.
They have had a few go home issues I think. Stevens and a couple of others I think have had time at home. I think a few have struggled to adapt to Sydney and GWS.
I don't think they have many KPD and so might be looking to pick up one or two of those but they will have KPF coming out their ears. Folau is doing okay, Bruce is a guy I liked a lot last year, Patton should be there, Cameron, Clark is supposedly signed, Phillips can do okay up forward as well as in the ruck. Hampton also is KP size.
oh, I forgot about gorringe. looks like port is the only team to force GWS to take longer early then
Yeah two rookies left Stevens and Savage but from what I've heard of the 17 year olds they seem to be a tight group. The campus style thing they got at Breakfast Point has been a great idea.
I agree with the consensus that the GWS 17 year olds are better than the GC, tbh the only ones who've really impressed from the GC have been Mckenzie and Matera. Josh Toy has been a bit of a letdown.
i forgot about bruce and cameron, i agree they could be alright with kf's.
need to have 3 gameday key defenders, with depth/ project players. how many key defenders can they get uncontracted/trade?? maybe be lucky to get 1 top quality but maybe get 2. still need to add alot of key defenders in the draft and i see them definately reaching for guys that could go in the 20-35 range with their 1st round picks. i dont see another way they could add at least 3 of the better key position players.
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Interesting update too by the way Knightmare. Kavanagh and Docherty came from nowhere into the top 20. Same with Kerridge, Dobosz and Staley. Now that you've introduced them, your draft is even more in line with mine (think there are now only like 9 players that feature in mine that don't in yours, and vice versa). But that can only be a good thing for both drafts. 
Not much I can pick on really, just the lack of Mihocek. I know Sheehan said Dobosz could go first round (a bit early for mine), but Mihocek is the best prospect out of Tasmania in my opinion. Although he is a little undersized, I think he'll be a very good third tall defender.
Not much I can pick on really, just the lack of Mihocek. I know Sheehan said Dobosz could go first round (a bit early for mine), but Mihocek is the best prospect out of Tasmania in my opinion. Although he is a little undersized, I think he'll be a very good third tall defender.
GC and GWS are going to have unreal forward lines. Cameron and Patton at GWS are going to stretch every defence in the league, as are Lynch, Day and Dixon.
Really, when you look at the talent in this draft and those mock drafts on this site. There will be very little left for the rest of the competition.
There's a bit of talent that may slip though. From WA there is Kersten and McInnes who missed the carnival but would arguably have been first round picks if they played. I thought Brad Hill did okay in his one outing, he seems to have found some confidence of late and is really blooming.
Really, when you look at the talent in this draft and those mock drafts on this site. There will be very little left for the rest of the competition.
There's a bit of talent that may slip though. From WA there is Kersten and McInnes who missed the carnival but would arguably have been first round picks if they played. I thought Brad Hill did okay in his one outing, he seems to have found some confidence of late and is really blooming.
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If Port get pick 4 Longer is the guy. Then don't need to go after Brodie Grundy which would be a big win.
Elton in 1-2 games showed some positive bits but didn't meet my expectations of him. View him as a 1st rounder. Possible slider, but wouldn't think to 2nd round.
Those top 8/9 selections all look really solid. Tyson could even go higher than this if he continues to play the way he did over the champs. Should do pretty well with anyone at 8 of those top mids.
Dobosz could go higher but for the time being I'm going to be fairly conservative with his draft position. 1st rounder who could go as high as pick 11.
If I had that no.1 overall wouldn't hesitate either on Wingard either. If the Pies had that selection would probably take him at no.1 over both Patton + Coniglio. Been a big fan of his since watching him since last year at the champs.
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Sheil, Treloar + Cameron would be clear top 10 and probably top 5. Hampton would be likely top 10. GWS have done incredibly well with their prelisted players!
Through the draft it will be challenging to build a core of young KPPs and I'd say it would have to be built over the next 2-3 seasons. Still have plenty of time to build up that talent.
As KPPs it's Patton. Then Elton, Dobosz look like 1st rounders. But not nearly up to Patton level.
Talia, Frost, Bussey, Gordon, Lockyer, Tomlinson all 2nd round types who could squeeze into that 1st round.
GWS I think might have a stronger midfield group first up - depending on who they add from oppo clubs. But being a weak KPP draft I don't think they will have the same quality off KPPs and it's pretty hard to match the ruckman GC have.
Interesting update too by the way Knightmare. Kavanagh and Docherty came from nowhere into the top 20. Same with Kerridge, Dobosz and Staley. Now that you've introduced them, your draft is even more in line with mine (think there are now only like 9 players that feature in mine that don't in yours, and vice versa). But that can only be a good thing for both drafts.
Not much I can pick on really, just the lack of Mihocek. I know Sheehan said Dobosz could go first round (a bit early for mine), but Mihocek is the best prospect out of Tasmania in my opinion. Although he is a little undersized, I think he'll be a very good third tall defender.
Docherty on performance had to make it in. Didn't have his details until fairly recently.
Kavanagh I didn't really know where to place since he is only back from injury. We'll get a better idea as the season goes. Very keen to see a couple of his games. Decided to be a little cautious with his draft rating since hasn't played. Read about him possibly going as high as pick 4, which is why I had to put him up there.
Dobosz I had to look at again a little more closely. Not super keen on the other KPPs, wouldn't be surprised to see him sneak into the first round. Think he might be a slightly better option than the likes of Talia, Frost, Bussey. I think with the improvement he has shown in a short period that he should go 1st round.
Mihocek has been very impressive. Along with Dobosz, Mckenzie and Webster should get drafted. Have some Tasmania tapes and want to review a couple more of their games, will look at his game more closely. But Dobosz is without a doubt my no.1 from Tas for this year.
The AFL intended for these teams to take over and become Geelong type forces of this league to increase their following.
GWS like GC also have the opportunity to dominate this drafts.
Hard time for those rebuilding sides like Brisbane or Port Adelaide.
Hill I intentionally added. We have an idea with Stephen the type of development he should experience. Not the same level talent but similarly we can expect for him to be physically be a late bloomer who should continue to develop strongly into a player who could do similar type things. Think he could be a very good AFL player if given time.
It'll be an interesting battle in years to come, the midfields of GWS and GC.
Swallow, Caddy, Prestia, Bennell, Mackenzie, Toy Vs the likes of Coniglio, Wingard, Shiel, Treloar (and then guessing...), Nelson/Grigg and maybe even O'Meara for season 2013.
Thanks for the phantom Knightmare, I love reading phantoms no matter how early they're posted.
Swallow, Caddy, Prestia, Bennell, Mackenzie, Toy Vs the likes of Coniglio, Wingard, Shiel, Treloar (and then guessing...), Nelson/Grigg and maybe even O'Meara for season 2013.
Thanks for the phantom Knightmare, I love reading phantoms no matter how early they're posted.
Knight...would love a defender like Talia to slide for the lions combo pick...any chance of that happening, or what are your updated views for KPD players possibly available for our combo pick?
What are your thoughts on Jackson Paine from Vic Met? Thought he presented a great second tall option and over shadowed obviously by Patton. But did look likely the few times I watched him and thought he had some upside?
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Insane indeed.
That midfield in 2016 will be dynamite. They then can look up to the forward line and see 197cm Jonathon Patton. Look out.
Any chance of Grigg sliding to the Crows at Pick 10. His kicking is elite and he is a left footer.
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