Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2011 Mock Draft

[Knightmare]

Hey Knight

Asked this before

Any non representative under 18's you like?

Noticed you named a couple, care to enlighten us with some info on them?

Thanks in advance

HFF

Some I like:

Kersten is one who has stood out in the past. Could easily have ended up at GWS. Good leading medium size forward. Proven goal kicker.

Max Duffy is another. On talent would probably be a late 1st rounder - early 2nd rounder if it wasn't for reported attitude problems. Really high level forward/midfield talent none the less.

Matthew Jacquier is yet another of those medium forwards. Quality talent with a bit of a background in b-ball. Good on either boot. Classy.

Jack Newnes is a Gaff styled link up player. Similar works hard and has that standout endurance as well as being able to use it well.

how do people think tyson willl do at the testing?? and how is his disposal? ive heard a good kick from some?

Kicking is very good. He's a smart player. Hard at it. Good endurance. He's just a really good footballer who does most things well without standing out in the freak athletic aspects.

Testing shouldn't hurt him and I don't believe it has a huge baring in most cases. Scouts have a fair idea predraft as how most should test athletically anyway and are more interested in results of players during the season.
There are the rare few that make a name for themselves in interview - ala Jasper Pittard or in the athletic testing - Joel Wilkinson who can increase their draft stock dramatically, but I'd say the draft combine is more about a couple rising up the rankings rather than a group droping down.

Will still test well so I wouldn't put a whole lot of worry into how well he tests.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Port obtaining selection #4 changes the dynamic a bit doesn't it ?? Longer becomes more relevant there....but our need for another prime mover needs to be filled too. Tyson & Grigg a chance there I'd imagine ??

 

[Knightmare]

Port obtaining selection #4 changes the dynamic a bit doesn't it ?? Longer becomes more relevant there....but our need for another prime mover needs to be filled too. Tyson & Grigg a chance there I'd imagine ??

It makes it very interesting. Means there are some pretty reasonable possibilities for Port.A

Maybe that pick 4 goes to GWS and you get O'Meara or Grundy (ruckman - SA).

Through the draft assuming you don't trade pick 4 the likely choices include: Longer, Kavanagh and Tyson who would probably be the ones looked at most closely at 4 with Port selecting at this stage.
Hoskin-Elliot, Crozier, Buntine and Grigg would probably also be looked at as the other possibles.

 

[philthy05]

i still think port will have to go with a mid if we finish at pick 4 but gws will be sweating big time on port taking longer as gws cant afford not to get him. makes it very interesting. i hope port would fan the flames too, would gws then pass on wingard?? or be more keen on a trade for pick 4?? or do they wait and hope we pass on longer? take bolger with a pick in the teens??

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Is Grundy a better option than Longer ?

As much as I'd like a class mid....Longer seems like an absolute stud at that pick.

 

[Knightmare]

i still think port will have to go with a mid if we finish at pick 4 but gws will be sweating big time on port taking longer as gws cant afford not to get him. makes it very interesting. i hope port would fan the flames too, would gws then pass on wingard?? or be more keen on a trade for pick 4?? or do they wait and hope we pass on longer? take bolger with a pick in the teens??

If I was GWS I wouldn't be passing on Wingard at 3 because he would be well gone by pick 5 regardless of who is selecting. Likely if Port at 4 did take Longer then GWS would probably look at Bolger as a possibility with a later selection. If not keen on Bolger then maybe GWS might look at Gorringe or Nicholls from GC are try to work a trade there.

Is Grundy a better option than Longer ?

As much as I'd like a class mid....Longer seems like an absolute stud at that pick.

Longer is the better player now being that year older but with the way Grundy has been developing of late there is a chance that he well surpasses Longer.
Grundy being the home grown talent I think might appeal to Port.A more. Neither are bad options if can get.

 

[Balony_pony16]

knight..can you see a team drafting Fev late in the draft?

 

[Knightmare]

knight..can you see a team drafting Fev late in the draft?

Haven't seen allot of his VFL games. Seems motivated and has lost weight, but will be difficult going back up to AFL level. Certainly won't produce to nearly the same level as he did, expect a similar type drop off to what Ben Cousins had with that year out of footy.
Still not really mature and a risk but I'd like to see possibly St Kilda give him a shot. They need someone who can take the pressure of Riewoldt. If he kicks 30+ goals and has 1-2 seasons from a late pick, that's probably a win and certainly would put them back in the premiership conversation.

Wouldn't dismiss Carlton going after him either since they don't have a serious full forward either.

 

[gotassieboys]

Haven't seen allot of his VFL games. Seems motivated and has lost weight, but will be difficult going back up to AFL level. Certainly won't produce to nearly the same level as he did, expect a similar type drop off to what Ben Cousins had with that year out of footy.
Still not really mature and a risk but I'd like to see possibly St Kilda give him a shot. They need someone who can take the pressure of Riewoldt. If he kicks 30+ goals and has 1-2 seasons from a late pick, that's probably a win and certainly would put them back in the premiership conversation.

Wouldn't dismiss Carlton going after him either since they don't have a serious full forward either.

From all reports Fevola has not set the world on fire in the VFL this year. Protection of brand image is paramount to the AFL and its clubs. Risking that by recruiting Fevola who is now on the wrong side of 30 would seem unlikely. While anyting is possible I think Fevola's AFL is history.

 

[Jonts]

If I was GWS I wouldn't be passing on Wingard at 3 because he would be well gone by pick 5 regardless of who is selecting. Likely if Port at 4 did take Longer then GWS would probably look at Bolger as a possibility with a later selection. If not keen on Bolger then maybe GWS might look at Gorringe or Nicholls from GC are try to work a trade there

Wouldn't GWS need to work a trade out with GC before the draft to get a ruckman?

Could port work out a trade to get wingard (pick 4+Westhoff/Cornes/Pearce) for pick 3? or would that be a trade more suited to getting Omeara?

What Mids would be available at port's PP 28ish and what KPP's at ports second round pick 28ish again

Kinda hoping that we get 3 150 game plus players then next yr in the superdraft get another PP and then i believe we could be finals bound from as early as 2013

 

[Knightmare]

From all reports Fevola has not set the world on fire in the VFL this year. Protection of brand image is paramount to the AFL and its clubs. Risking that by recruiting Fevola who is now on the wrong side of 30 would seem unlikely. While anyting is possible I think Fevola's AFL is history.

I don't disagree on any of this. ALLOT would have to be considered in looking at Fevola.

We'll just have to wait and see whether a club takes him. I wouldn't recommend any club take him, and it's against the odds given his performance hasn't been anywhere near where it should be. But I could see reasons as to why he could be useful to 2-3 clubs.

Wouldn't GWS need to work a trade out with GC before the draft to get a ruckman?

Could port work out a trade to get wingard (pick 4+Westhoff/Cornes/Pearce) for pick 3? or would that be a trade more suited to getting Omeara?

What Mids would be available at port's PP 28ish and what KPP's at ports second round pick 28ish again

Kinda hoping that we get 3 150 game plus players then next yr in the superdraft get another PP and then i believe we could be finals bound from as early as 2013

You are correct. Trade week is before the draft, but around trade week GWS should have a fair idea (assuming Port Adelaide have pick 4) whether they are likely to pick Longer and if they do whether they want Bolger or another ruckman.

If they decide not interested in Bolger then trading into a Gorringe type could be an option with possibly pick 7 or pick 9.

Pick 3 would be very difficult to acquire and there is little reason for GWS to trade it. GWS want the best young talents available and downgrading picks will no be on their agenda. If you wanted it you would have to pay significantly over what the selection is worth - so probably not worth it.
I'd recommend going after O'Meara or Grundy would be the best bet. Would take pick 4 + 2nd rounder. But that's what you have to give up if you want an opportunity at a potential franchise player.

Around pick 28 two solid mids worth looking at if available are Clay Smith and Josh Waldhunter.

Will be difficult to get 3x 150 gamers out of this years draft. Getting two of these would be a win.

 

[Jonts]

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You are correct. Trade week is before the draft, but around trade week GWS should have a fair idea (assuming Port Adelaide have pick 4) whether they are likely to pick Longer and if they do whether they want Bolger or another ruckman.

If they decide not interested in Bolger then trading into a Gorringe type could be an option with possibly pick 7 or pick 9.

Pick 3 would be very difficult to acquire and there is little reason for GWS to trade it. GWS want the best young talents available and downgrading picks will no be on their agenda. If you wanted it you would have to pay significantly over what the selection is worth - so probably not worth it.
I'd recommend going after O'Meara or Grundy would be the best bet. Would take pick 4 + 2nd rounder. But that's what you have to give up if you want an opportunity at a potential franchise player.

Around pick 28 two solid mids worth looking at if available are Clay Smith and Josh Waldhunter.

Will be difficult to get 3x 150 gamers out of this years draft. Getting two of these would be a win.

Would be satisfied if we paid 4 and are second round for O'Meara especially Grundy would rather give players for as Lobbe's form of late is looking good and Bass is starting to shine at league SANFL level.

Don't think pick 4 and a second rounder is that expensive considering who we are getting. a Top 3 pick of Next yr probably would go 2 after Whitfield? Think its a fair deal could see GWS wanting a player instead of a second rounder what makes sense

Hoping port are active during trade week and acquire another pick within the top 35 that means we would still have 2 picks within the top 35 (we would have are PP) and we would gain O'Meara on top of that while setting up for the 2012 draft

So Toby Greene most probably gone by Port's PP?

 

[gotassieboys]

I don't disagree on any of this. ALLOT would have to be considered in looking at Fevola.

We'll just have to wait and see whether a club takes him. I wouldn't recommend any club take him, and it's against the odds given his performance hasn't been anywhere near where it should be. But I could see reasons as to why he could be useful to 2-3 clubs.



You are correct. Trade week is before the draft, but around trade week GWS should have a fair idea (assuming Port Adelaide have pick 4) whether they are likely to pick Longer and if they do whether they want Bolger or another ruckman.

If they decide not interested in Bolger then trading into a Gorringe type could be an option with possibly pick 7 or pick 9.

Pick 3 would be very difficult to acquire and there is little reason for GWS to trade it. GWS want the best young talents available and downgrading picks will no be on their agenda. If you wanted it you would have to pay significantly over what the selection is worth - so probably not worth it.
I'd recommend going after O'Meara or Grundy would be the best bet. Would take pick 4 + 2nd rounder. But that's what you have to give up if you want an opportunity at a potential franchise player.

Around pick 28 two solid mids worth looking at if available are Clay Smith and Josh Waldhunter.

Will be difficult to get 3x 150 gamers out of this years draft. Getting two of these would be a win.

I know it is a guessing game but was interested in your thoughts on the number of drafts that will be used in the up coming draft. Obviously we now have GWS (and Gold Coast) in the mix.

How many draftees, rookies and trades?

With talk of a thin draft and minimun requirements that AFL clubs must pick up, it sometimes gets confusing!!!

 

[Knightmare]

Don't think pick 4 and a second rounder is that expensive considering who we are getting. a Top 3 pick of Next yr probably would go 2 after Whitfield? Think its a fair deal could see GWS wanting a player instead of a second rounder what makes sense

Hoping port are active during trade week and acquire another pick within the top 35 that means we would still have 2 picks within the top 35 (we would have are PP) and we would gain O'Meara on top of that while setting up for the 2012 draft

So Toby Greene most probably gone by Port's PP?

Some like Whitfield, some like O'Meara. They are both considered the top 2 in any case next year. My prefence of the two is Whitfield, but essentially in O'Meara you are getting a midfielder who would go clear top 3 this year.

If trading both 1st + 2nd round selections for O'Meara will have to trade to get any picks inside the top 45.

Don't think Greene will make it through to the 2nd round. Top 20 pick for mine.

I know it is a guessing game but was interested in your thoughts on the number of drafts that will be used in the up coming draft. Obviously we now have GWS (and Gold Coast) in the mix.

How many draftees, rookies and trades?

With talk of a thin draft and minimun requirements that AFL clubs must pick up, it sometimes gets confusing!!!

Not counting rookie upgrades likely will have around 75 going in the national draft.
Could have somewhere between 5-10 in the preseason draft.
And around another 70 rookie selections.
(Will depend on numbers delisted from both senior and rookie lists but these are just estimates for this year).

Trades. Might get 20 trades again this year. Will be fairly reasonable trading activity with clubs coming into the draft later than usual.

Every year clubs must make 3 senior list changes. So there will be a fair few clubs who elect to go the minimalist approach.
It's not as much that it's a weak draft, the top 15 or 20 is very reasonable and possibly better than that top ground from last year, then there are probably another 50 who are reasonably draftable without being standouts, but because clubs are going to enter the draft so late with GWS dominating the draft clubs won't be super interested in using picks in the 80s or 90s because by this stage it will be hard to acquire talent.

 

[Jonts]

Some like Whitfield, some like O'Meara. They are both considered the top 2 in any case next year. My prefence of the two is Whitfield, but essentially in O'Meara you are getting a midfielder who would go clear top 3 this year.

If trading both 1st + 2nd round selections for O'Meara will have to trade to get any picks inside the top 45.

Don't think Greene will make it through to the 2nd round. Top 20 pick for mine.

mmm Hoping we make a play for him then and finish last yr next and get Whitfield

yer think port will be fairly active at the trade table this yearand almost certain to have a end of round on PP so lets hope we can get something as good as Darling

bugger but ay, there is always sliders

 

[Knightmare]

mmm Hoping we make a play for him then and finish last yr next and get Whitfield

yer think port will be fairly active at the trade table this yearand almost certain to have a end of round on PP so lets hope we can get something as good as Darling

bugger but ay, there is always sliders

If you are aiming for x2 spoons in a row, then maybe you are in the running for both O'Meara + Whitfield. Which would be huge long term! But is the club willing to endure the short term pain?

In the late 20s will be hard to find someone as good as Darling this year. The draft is a lottery of sorts. The higher the selection the higher the chance for success. In the late 20s no guarantees you'll get anything incredible.

 

[Jonts]

If you are aiming for x2 spoons in a row, then maybe you are in the running for both O'Meara + Whitfield. Which would be huge long term! But is the club willing to endure the short term pain?

In the late 20s will be hard to find someone as good as Darling this year. The draft is a lottery of sorts. The higher the selection the higher the chance for success. In the late 20s no guarantees you'll get anything incredible.

they won't try, they will try to succeed and fail, we have easily the worst list in the comp and it won't get any better next yr especially if use r second and first rounders on O'meara. That is pretty much the case not to get him actually, it will be sacrifcing the 2012 season, what has its own Pro's and cons

bugger i've heard that this draft is similar to the 02?

Where do you rate Green out of your mids this year? he's in my top ten easily but dont think he will be drafted very highly due to him not being on clubs radar as much as other 1RP

 

[Knightmare]

they won't try, they will try to succeed and fail, we have easily the worst list in the comp and it won't get any better next yr especially if use r second and first rounders on O'meara. That is pretty much the case not to get him actually, it will be sacrifcing the 2012 season, what has its own Pro's and cons

bugger i've heard that this draft is similar to the 02?

Where do you rate Green out of your mids this year? he's in my top ten easily but dont think he will be drafted very highly due to him not being on clubs radar as much as other 1RP

Still have to finish worse than Bris+GWS next year for a chance at Whitfield. Maybe Black + Power retire for Bris. GWS without a serious signing will struggle.

2002 is possibly similar. This year is probably a little stronger though. 2009 is probably closer to the strength of this year.

Greene I don't have in my top 10. Worth a top 20 selection. Had a great champs which boosted his draft stocks. There are better talents infront of him. Sumner, Nelson and Adams none of whom I'd take in the top 10 at this stage I'd all have ahead of Greene as mids.

 

[footyfan97]

thoughts on seb gotch knightmare?

 

[WALL-e]

Kicking lets him down a lot.

 

[Raymann]

By Gees he can hit a cricket ball.......

 

[Knightmare]

thoughts on seb gotch knightmare?

Best case scenario is that he gets rookied.

I think of him more as a guy who could potentially have a reasonable VFL career, but think he might struggle at AFL level. Lacks size + footskills.

 

[Knightmare]

*Just updated draft order. With Port Adelaide moving up to pick 4 I thought it would be an appropriate time to update the ladder order and update the draft.

Just recently popped in some ranges to give people some idea of what to possibly expect.

Descriptions just starting. Will take some time to do full write ups. Expect another 10 player profiles in 2-3 weeks time when I next update.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Gotch will be a cricketer if he doesn't get drafted, brilliant talent.

 

[2powers]

what about john butchers brother seems to be doing well for giggy