Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2012 Mock Draft

[Jordie_tackles]

Pick 4 for pick 2 is nominally a win if that is how the players are rated, that is true. My post was actually in response to GCS potentially trading pick 2 (essentially paying top dollar to a direct rival in many ways) for a player rated pick 2.

I wonder how Melbourne are actually feeling about indigenous players with family issues right now? At the very least they must be wondering if they should be building a team with some leadership ability, especially at the very pointy end of the drafting process. Toumpas seems to tick the leadership box. Will Martin's value be reduced due to his circumstances as seemed to happen with Darling? If I was Melbourne I would be looking for as much certainty as I could get my hands on.

Waiting a year for some clubs may indeed be a non-issue, but getting a player who can bring some immediate hope would be a good thing at Melbourne right now. The age difference between Toumpas and Martin is marginal. Martin would be developing on an AFL list if chosen. Toumpas would be developing on the MCG.

Alot depends on Viney imo has been said with all of melbournes dealings Gav.

Agree that Toumpas and Mayes may be more secure, but i dont think both of them and Viney can fit into our midfield/team in one off season, plus a pick 13......so letting one high quality player slide for a year and develop them personally could be great to spread the talent/load across 2 years. Effectively bring in 4-5 top 13 picks over 2 years instead of 4 in 1 which may squeeze.

 

[Knightmare]

I understand what you are saying, but the Darling reference is nothing to do with the player type, it is to do with character.

There is also some nice skill and x-factor in those players which is a part of what Martin brings. It sounds like Martin can be a terrific player, and I hope it turns out that way. But it is not the right time for that club to be taking risks.

I'm sure Melb FC will do their character profiling on Martin. I'm not in a position to make comments on this and as a younger player without that 18th year it is more difficult to get a feel for whether he projects as a future leader.

Neeld is a hard marker and I can only imagine the best characters getting past him, so if he gives Martin the ok then he is worth a shot.

It will be curious to see who takes him.

Hey Knightmare. With Carlton now finishing somewhere in the vacinity of pick 12 to possibly 16. What player/s do you think will be available and what might we choose?

Jaksch, Menzel, Shaw, Simpson, Clurey, Macrae, Lowrie, Stringer and Vlastuin are probably the more realistic gets for Carlton and those I'd expect to get considered first round.

Tom Grimes - any thoughts KM? Noticed he is a brother of Jack and Dylan and is invited to the combine.

Grimes is only down for the state screening so there likely isn't the same interest from as many clubs but with that said he is one of those state screening guys I consider a reasonable chance to end up on an AFL list.

Grimes probably hasn't produced the numbers expected and has played more lock down this year but he has shown that like his brothers that he is another tough, hard nosed defender and a guy who can play a role on a winner. Coming from the Grimes family seeing the success of Jack and Dylan, Tom is another who is worth a look but is probably more of a late/rookie if selected.

Alot depends on Viney imo has been said with all of melbournes dealings Gav.

Agree that Toumpas and Mayes may be more secure, but i dont think both of them and Viney can fit into our midfield/team in one off season, plus a pick 13......so letting one high quality player slide for a year and develop them personally could be great to spread the talent/load across 2 years. Effectively bring in 4-5 top 13 picks over 2 years instead of 4 in 1 which may squeeze.

My prediction with Melbourne is that with those later 1st round selections that those will be moved on in trade week for more established players so I wouldn't think all those first round selections will be used this year anyway.

But Melbourne will be one of the more interesting teams to watch this offseason and I expect to be one of the more active teams.

 

[BigGib]

KM, just wondering why you see Brant Colledge climbing up the draft order
in recent weeks? Being a big man who predominately played as a forward/ruck
in the champs and has only kicked 9 goals this season in the WAFL, I can only
really see him going in the range of 40+.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Do you still think Hrovat, Whitfield, Viney, Wines, Kennedy, Toumpas and Vlastuin would potentially be round 1 starters in 2013 and have an impact? Any others to look out for? Danniher? Martin?

Cheers

 

[Knightmare]

KM, just wondering why you see Brant Colledge climbing up the draft order
in recent weeks? Being a big man who predominately played as a forward/ruck
in the champs and has only kicked 9 goals this season in the WAFL, I can only
really see him going in the range of 40+.

I was really encouraged by his form for a period there but next update I plan to move him more into that mid-draft region.

Do you still think Hrovat, Whitfield, Viney, Wines, Kennedy, Toumpas and Vlastuin would potentially be round 1 starters in 2013 and have an impact? Any others to look out for? Danniher? Martin?

Cheers

Hrovat probably won't go 1st round. But many of these depending on the teams that take them could receive opportunities early and would still fancy this group you mention as those more likely to debut round 1.

Garlett is talented enough to play early. Menzel same.

With more mid draft selections Harley Montgomery, Jesse Lonergan and Leigh Osborne (mature ager) assuming drafted could also be among those who receive opportunities early in the right situation.

 

[Yoda_]

Knightmare, overlooked my last comment but, whats the story with Garlett? first round talent you have going with the very last pick in your draft.

(edit: really, really hoping we can follow through and pick up young Fort with our 3rd round pick)

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare, overlooked my last comment but, whats the story with Garlett? first round talent you have going with the very last pick in your draft.

(edit: really, really hoping we can follow through and pick up young Fort with our 3rd round pick)

Not sure what you are looking at. I have Garlett at pick 8 going to Brisbane.

I assume you mean Chris Yarran? He was rated highly last year having playing some solid footy in the u18s but he hasn't elevated his game this year. Production has been poor and just hasn't done enough to suggest he will get selected. He's in the mix to get selection but he is no longer the potential early-mid draft selection he was considered last year.

 

[Yoda_]

Not sure what you are looking at. I have Garlett at pick 8 going to Brisbane.

I assume you mean Chris Yarran? He was rated highly last year having playing some solid footy in the u18s but he hasn't elevated his game this year. Production has been poor and just hasn't done enough to suggest he will get selected. He's in the mix to get selection but he is no longer the potential early-mid draft selection he was considered last year.

well this is awkward

Out of curiousity, you heading to Highgate reserve Saturday to see the double header? PM me and we can catch up, definitely going to head out there. Be an awesome chance to see my young mate Alex Harnett (16.5 from my local club playing for the Rays) along with a few other Stingrays boys, the Fort boys and some Joe Daniher bloke, along with a raft of other potential draftees that you need no introduction about.

 

[Knightmare]

well this is awkward

Out of curiousity, you heading to Highgate reserve Saturday to see the double header? PM me and we can catch up, definitely going to head out there. Be an awesome chance to see my young mate Alex Harnett (16.5 from my local club playing for the Rays) along with a few other Stingrays boys, the Fort boys and some Joe Daniher bloke, along with a raft of other potential draftees that you need no introduction about.

I've been tossing up during the week whether I'd go to the Chargers v Dragons game (Stewart v Moore) - as a Pies fan a curious one, the final Collingwood VFL game for the year or De La Salle v Old Xavs - I'm interested to see how Brett Eddy goes now that he is back from injury.
Wish I could get footage for all these games!

The double header should be a good one to get to get down to though. Plenty will get drafted from those games.

 

[Yoda_]

I've been tossing up during the week whether I'd go to the Chargers v Dragons game (Stewart v Moore) - as a Pies fan a curious one, the final Collingwood VFL game for the year or De La Salle v Old Xavs - I'm interested to see how Brett Eddy goes now that he is back from injury.
Wish I could get footage for all these games!

The double header should be a good one to get to get down to though. Plenty will get drafted from those games.

Only been to a couple of TAC games and actually thoroughly enjoyed it, got to talk to some people about players on here, so thought I might go tomorrow and really get into it

 

[BRG93]

Hey Knightmare,
I don't know If anybody has asked this but..

Who should the Western Bulldogs recruit with there's pick presuming that there will be around 6-9 delistings?

Thanks Mate

 

[Knightmare]

Hey Knightmare,
I don't know If anybody has asked this but..

Who should the Western Bulldogs recruit with there's pick presuming that there will be around 6-9 delistings?

Thanks Mate

The Dogs will need a combination of different types.

Early there should be some mids who appeal - O'Rourke/Mayes/Wines may be among the options. As talls early Grundy/Plowman might appeal if available.

Lachie Hunter as a F/S selection looks the goods as a mid draft selection.

With later selections I'd be looking for a mix of general defenders and likely somewhere in there a key forward - perhaps Tom Lee as a mature ager could come into consideration.

 

[BRG93]

The Dogs will need a combination of different types.

Early there should be some mids who appeal - O'Rourke/Mayes/Wines may be among the options. As talls early Grundy/Plowman might appeal if available.

Lachie Hunter as a F/S selection looks the goods as a mid draft selection.

With later selections I'd be looking for a mix of general defenders and likely somewhere in there a key forward - perhaps Tom Lee as a mature ager could come into consideration.

Would Jake Stringer come under consideration or would it be to much of a risk?

 

[Knightmare]

Would Jake Stringer come under consideration or would it be to much of a risk?

Probably won't go so high and his form this year probably hasn't quiet been up to a high enough level to suggest he should go that high.

But that said I still wouldn't put a cross through Stringer's name. He's shown in the past that he can be dominant and with a full preseason it will be interesting to see whether he can re-capture his previously excellent form. Certainly one who needs to be looked at by all clubs.

 

[BRG93]

Probably won't go so high and his form this year probably hasn't quiet been up to a high enough level to suggest he should go that high.

But that said I still wouldn't put a cross through Stringer's name. He's shown in the past that he can be dominant and with a full preseason it will be interesting to see whether he can re-capture his previously excellent form. Certainly one who needs to be looked at by all clubs.

I would like him at the dogs but only if he is able to recapture his best

Ok last one

What do you think are the chances of Ozgur Uysal being drafted he is currently playing for Coburg and has been to the draft combine multiple times his the boyfriend of a friend of mine and they are hoping he gets a shot he was strongly linked to Collingwood but they decided against it

 

[LouisCK]

It really does make sense for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a mini-draft pick at this point.

Guarantees we'll get Viney with our second round selection, effectively adding an almost certain 2013 top 5 pick (and KPP's tend to not play much in their first season anyway), along with pick 4, pick 12 and Viney (pick 20-something).

We're effectively trading up our second rounder to a 2013 top 5 pick, just on the proviso that he can't play in 2013 (which as a young KPP, he wouldn't have been likely to do anyway). If we're as active in free agent signings as we plan to be (raised $750k for our "war chest" last week) and add Cloke, Boak or Goddard to the list as well, I dare say we'd be planning on making a move up the ladder next season anyway.

Also, the more I'm seeing of Viney the more I'm confident that if we don't trade pick 3, that GWS or GC (particularly GC) will bid on him. Kid is something else with his attack on the man and the ball. He's short, and his kicking isn't brilliant, but he is one of the best competitors I've ever seen. Reminds me a bit of Voss.

 

[Fart Cummings]

It really does make sense for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a mini-draft pick at this point.

Guarantees we'll get Viney with our second round selection, effectively adding an almost certain 2013 top 5 pick (and KPP's tend to not play much in their first season anyway), along with pick 4, pick 12 and Viney (pick 20-something).

We're effectively trading up our second rounder to a 2013 top 5 pick, just on the proviso that he can't play in 2013 (which as a young KPP, he wouldn't have been likely to do anyway). If we're as active in free agent signings as we plan to be (raised $750k for our "war chest" last week) and add Cloke, Boak or Goddard to the list as well, I dare say we'd be planning on making a move up the ladder next season anyway.

Also, the more I'm seeing of Viney the more I'm confident that if we don't trade pick 3, that GWS or GC (particularly GC) will bid on him. Kid is something else with his attack on the man and the ball. He's short, and his kicking isn't brilliant, but he is one of the best competitors I've ever seen. Reminds me a bit of Voss.

how does that work wont you just have to use pick 4 on viney?

sorry i dont really know how it all works!

 

[Igloo]

It really does make sense for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a mini-draft pick at this point.

Guarantees we'll get Viney with our second round selection, effectively adding an almost certain 2013 top 5 pick (and KPP's tend to not play much in their first season anyway), along with pick 4, pick 12 and Viney (pick 20-something).

F/S bidding done before trade week, so it will already be sorted before any sort of trade can be done.

 

[Damo80]

It really does make sense for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a mini-draft pick at this point.

If you have picks 3 & 4 intact after father son/bidding has been completed, then it makes more sense to use pick 4 for a shot in the mini draft...

 

[Knightmare]

Assuming GWS/Gold Coast bid on Viney (most likely outcome) Melbourne will be required to use pick 3 on him - due to F/S bidding coming first.

If Melbourne want Martin through the minidraft pick 4 is the active selection that can be traded.

What do you think are the chances of Ozgur Uysal being drafted he is currently playing for Coburg and has been to the draft combine multiple times his the boyfriend of a friend of mine and they are hoping he gets a shot he was strongly linked to Collingwood but they decided against it

I haven't seen a lot of him this year but in years past has been in the rookie mix.

Talented small forward with some evasiveness, strong overhead for his height and can step into the midfield when required. Has had his inconsistencies and defensively probably not as strong as he needs to be as a small forward.

I haven't heard any info suggesting Uysal will get drafted this year but it only takes one club to notice him and see a role for him. If selected more of a rookie selection.

 

[Trav 20]

If Melbourne want Martin through the minidraft pick 4 is the active selection that can be traded.

Melbourne want Hogan.

 

[THE_GUN]

KM any chance Stringer could fall to 2nd round similar to Darling ?

Also which player would you say is the best inside big bodied midfielder with pace that would be available at around pick #30-35

Thanks in advance

 

[theGav56]

It really does make sense for Melbourne to trade pick 3 for a mini-draft pick at this point.

Guarantees we'll get Viney with our second round selection, effectively adding an almost certain 2013 top 5 pick (and KPP's tend to not play much in their first season anyway), along with pick 4, pick 12 and Viney (pick 20-something).

We're effectively trading up our second rounder to a 2013 top 5 pick, just on the proviso that he can't play in 2013 (which as a young KPP, he wouldn't have been likely to do anyway). If we're as active in free agent signings as we plan to be (raised $750k for our "war chest" last week) and add Cloke, Boak or Goddard to the list as well, I dare say we'd be planning on making a move up the ladder next season anyway.

Also, the more I'm seeing of Viney the more I'm confident that if we don't trade pick 3, that GWS or GC (particularly GC) will bid on him. Kid is something else with his attack on the man and the ball. He's short, and his kicking isn't brilliant, but he is one of the best competitors I've ever seen. Reminds me a bit of Voss.

Well it doesn't do that at all. The F/S stuff happens first. So does it still make sense?

It seems you are suggesting pick 3 for Hogan, not Martin, which is interesting. Martin seems to be rated higher in these parts. But again paying pick 3 for a player rated top 3 a year out from their draft is an interesting strategy. Where was Darling rated a year out?

But if I was Melbourne I would go for mids this draft. It seems to be where the value is. And I would prefer to put the house on Hogan instead of Martin.

 

[LouisCK]

Yeah but if pick 3 can be traded for a potential pick 3, and we get the same player we wanted at pick 3 at pick 20-something instead, you pull the trigger on that right?

 

[2one2]

Yeah but if pick 3 can be traded for a potential pick 3, and we get the same player we wanted at pick 3 at pick 20-something instead, you pull the trigger on that right?

No, the bidding on each Father/Son pick happens before the trading period to ensure teams don't use this loophole. It's the dream - but unless GC and GWS don't bid for Viney you are taking him at pick 3.