Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2012 Mock Draft

[Knightmare]

205cm monster, pretty much come from the clouds.

Rarely gets beaten in the centre square, moves well around the ground, is very good below his knees for a bloke his size, has shown that he is capable of going forward and kicking some goals.

Probably needs a bit more grunt in his game, but a very likely sort.

I appreciate the reply. Thanks for the details.

Sounds like one I should be looking out for and his numbers look encouraging.

Will listen out for any more info on his game but if he is anything close to what you are describing he could be a very interesting late/rookie option.

A few more questions on his game if you have time and know these answers.
Was Byron a late starter to footy? Or just taking it seriously now? Any basketball background?
Also would be very interested to know when he grew. Is he still growing? Was he always this tall or recent growth spurt?

I tend to find these with the ruckmen to be the primary factors determining development so this outside of the stats and having a feel for his game for me is the critical info.

 

[Talentman]

I appreciate the reply. Thanks for the details.

Sounds like one I should be looking out for and his numbers look encouraging.

Will listen out for any more info on his game but if he is anything close to what you are describing he could be a very interesting late/rookie option.

A few more questions on his game if you have time and know these answers.
Was Byron a late starter to footy? Or just taking it seriously now? Any basketball background?
Also would be very interested to know when he grew. Is he still growing? Was he always this tall or recent growth spurt?

I tend to find these with the ruckmen to be the primary factors determining development so this outside of the stats and having a feel for his game for me is the critical info.

Couldn't get a look in last year - Symonds was in his way, still growing, was playing local ametuers and carving it up.

 

[tigs2010]

it says right there that free agency signing period closes 11 days after trade week starts.

i dont see how richmond dont have to part with one of those draft picks to get chaplin, why would port let him walk to richmond when we could match any offer? he is restricted after all.

sure menzel would be top 10 on talent but would any team in the bottom 8 want to bet on his body staying sound? ill be very nervous if port take him as we would have so much riding on him.

Probably because we wouldn't give up our first and you'll probably get an end of first round compo which is better than we can offer.

 

[tigs2010]

IMO Richmond need another tall forward in the worst way before they become too Riewoldt conscious. Those types of things cost you flags, I know from experience.

There's this guy we have tucked away named Vickery. Then we have Elton/Astbury developing. Wouldn't surprise to see us pick up a Haretuku type if he lasts till the rookie draft as some mature depth to take some of the heat off Elton/Astbury. But other than that we are looking good for tall forwards.

 

[Nickos66]

If you 'matched any offer, you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face. That'd be the last thing Port would need to do - waste more money - when considering the current financial situation, but anyway, that's not what this topic's about.

My first thoughts when reading Rendell's predictions was also that of the 4, Menzel would be the last picked, probably mid teens is my guess?

 

[yakka man]

Probably because we wouldn't give up our first and you'll probably get an end of first round compo which is better than we can offer.

Clubs that are likely to lose a player under free agency can actually find out what compensation they receive before deciding on matching offers. So if the AFL idiots that be determine that he is worth an end of first round draft pick they might just decide to let him walk.

 

[philthy05]

i agree if we knew we were going to get okay compo and if chaplin asked to go somewhere i dont see us standing in his way.

but if we are going to bring in a fa, which it seems very very likely we are then we will not get a fa compo pick, hence making it a x for x trade, and not one of those fa's that are likely to come our way are worth that. we would effectively be giving away a key defender in his prime for an average flanker/ mid.

i agree no team trades an early 1st round pick for a restricted free agent, particularly this one.

im am especially worried that after 2-3 compromised drafts that this one will be just as or more compromised. if just half of the expected free agents get picks such as 2nd round or earlier than alot of our 2nd round picks slide back even further, and they are already late. finishing near the bottom and getting your 2nd pick close to 40 is a fair kick in the teeth for any club.

 

[Nickos66]

i agree if we knew we were going to get okay compo and if chaplin asked to go somewhere i dont see us standing in his way.

but if we are going to bring in a fa, which it seems very very likely we are then we will not get a fa compo pick, hence making it a x for x trade, and not one of those fa's that are likely to come our way are worth that. we would effectively be giving away a key defender in his prime for an average flanker/ mid.

Why wouldn't you/teams in that situation not get a compo pick? Each case would be based on it's merits. If you bring in a free agent, the other team receives a compo pick from the AFL. If you lose a player to FA, well then you are compensated accordingly.

 

[philthy05]

if you lose one and gain another you dont get a compo pick

 

[Nickos66]

Really?! That doesn't make sense, what if they don't happen at the same time, you lose a player early in FA, gain a pick for him then say you snag a player.. you lose the compo pick you'd received earlier too? That's pretty cruel.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Really?! That doesn't make sense, what if they don't happen at the same time, you lose a player early in FA, gain a pick for him then say you snag a player.. you lose the compo pick you'd received earlier too? That's pretty cruel.

Also value, ie losing Cloke but gaining a shannon Byrnes isnt exactly even

 

[philthy05]

the only thing i saw said compensation will be given to teams who have lost more free agents then gained. that was the entire extent of it.

i would think compensation picks would be dealt at the end of free agency, not during.

im not sure how port would be wasting money, there is a set amount now that must be paid in yearly salary. ie, port has to find a way to get our salary very close to what geelong pays their team. lol. yeah. as you can imagine there are a few port players whose salary gets bumped up just to meet the minimum cap.

 

[ajsuperstar]

is toumpass more inside or outside? do you think he could be groomed to be a predominantly inside mid eventually?

 

[Knightmare]

is toumpass more inside or outside? do you think he could be groomed to be a predominantly inside mid eventually?

Can play both inside and outside. I'd be comfortable developing him into either an inside or outside midfielder. Wins his own ball and uses it well in congestion and has good spacial awareness so I don't see him having any issues in a perminant inside role. Probably won't be your Sam Mitchell or Lenny Hayes type dominant inside player but maybe something closer to Cyril Rioli when he goes on the ball but with better numbers.

 

[Nemisis]

Can play both inside and outside. I'd be comfortable developing him into either an inside or outside midfielder. Wins his own ball and uses it well in congestion and has good spacial awareness so I don't see him having any issues in a perminant inside role. Probably won't be your Sam Mitchell or Lenny Hayes type dominant inside player but maybe something closer to Cyril Rioli when he goes on the ball but with better numbers.

Like your work mate, but comparing Toumpas with Rioli is stretching it. I think Lenny Hayes is far more comparable. Works hard like Lenny but hasnt the explosiveness of Cyril. He is also a big lad.

 

[Knightmare]

Like your work mate, but comparing Toumpas with Rioli is stretching it. I think Lenny Hayes is far more comparable. Works hard like Lenny but hasnt the explosiveness of Cyril. He is also a big lad.

Toumpas has pace. Not Rioli type pace but I'm more getting at the hurt factor he has with ball in hand in these situations. Just under pressure looks so at ease and uses it so well by hand and foot.

Also with the hip issues he has had this year he probably has looked slower than he is at full pace. At full pace speed + agility while not Cyril Rioli fast is well above average.

 

[Chris25]

Like your work mate, but comparing Toumpas with Rioli is stretching it. I think Lenny Hayes is far more comparable. Works hard like Lenny but hasnt the explosiveness of Cyril. He is also a big lad.

Can't say I see much Cyril in him. But I wouldn't go with Lenny Hayes either.

I'd go with Jimmy Bartel or Shane Crawford. He plays a similar game to Bartel - can go inside and dominate a game, but is equally at home across half back where he can really organise his team or across half forward where he plays bigger than his size. But shares similar physical attributes with Crawford - speed, agility, skills.

 

[Nickos66]

Since Hilly has seen more of the inside clearances this year, perhaps a slower Stephen Hill?

 

[saintsrfreak]

Who do you think we'd pick up if we had picks 12 and 13 from the Goddard compensation?

 

[Knightmare]

Who do you think we'd pick up if we had picks 12 and 13 from the Goddard compensation?

Josh Simpson and Jake Stringer are two I imagine St Kilda would look at in that range. Mason Shaw also might appeal.

 

[Knightmare]

Since Hilly has seen more of the inside clearances this year, perhaps a slower Stephen Hill?

Toumpas is more inside than Hill. He is something closer to Chad Wingard and like Wingard has that same inside game but also ability to play outside and other positions around the field.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

A tough version of bryce gibbs?

 

[Footscrazy]

Hey KM, I was just wondering what's the difference between player comparison and style are in your phantom? I'm guessing style is the approximate position the player will play at AFL level, but I can't work out your system.

Absolutely love your work BTW.

 

[Chris25]

Toumpas is more inside than Hill. He is something closer to Chad Wingard and like Wingard has that same inside game but also ability to play outside and other positions around the field.

Must admit, apart from both of them being from SA, I don't see many other similarities between Toumpas and Wingard. On the ground, they play quite different games.

 

[Knightmare]

Hey KM, I was just wondering what's the difference between player comparison and style are in your phantom? I'm guessing style is the approximate position the player will play at AFL level, but I can't work out your system.

Absolutely love your work BTW.

Thanks for the kind words.

Player comparison is more who I expect them to become.
Style is more who their game is similar to without necessarily being that same level talent.

So if someone has a similar game to say Chris Judd I'd more likely consider it a style of play as few players and none in this draft through the midfield are that same level talent and likely at the end of their career won't have that same standing in the game.