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Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2012 Mock Draft

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bombermick said:
Knightmare, can I get your thoughts on the key forwards?

Daniher is the clear no.1, but popular wisdom has the next rung being Jaksch ahead of Shaw, and then Membrey.

I'd have those three reversed in order, as recruiters are followers - realizing now you don't have to be 194 cms if you're strong as an ox and are athletic like Membrey is.
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I see that trio as being pretty even but also very different players. Of these I'd pick for best fit for the particular clubs situation.

Membrey will give the most immediate punch as that strong leading forward. Shaw is more your tall marking forward with some smarts and the ability to finish around goal. Then Jaksch is more your versatile - can play forward or back to a high level and is the best of all worlds and can play up the ground and have more of an impact.
All look to be first rounders in any case and all in a similar enough range. Who has the better career probably comes down to who lands in the best situation.

ohhhBigMalcho said:
Hey knightmare what can you tell me about a couple of guys who were named in the TAC cup AA team in gribble (named on the wing) and gilmore in ruck. are they under ages and what are there chances of being drafted?
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Sam Gilmore was of draft age last year missing out. I can't say any of the ruckmen this year in the TAC have really stood out. Maybe a late/rookie chance if a club is looking for someone.

Gribble is this year eligable. Has a light body but big time accumulator and has had a big season. Been very good for the Falcons through the midfield. In the mix to go late draft.
 
Elite Crow said:
Knightmare I'm not sure if you've seen much of our rookie Rory Laird currently playing with Crouch at West Adelaide. If so, where do you think he would go in this years draft?
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I haven't seen him this year but I've liked his game for some time. I understand that he has had a strong season and this doesn't surprise me having seen him play last year.

With the understanding that he has had a strong season he likely would be a mid draft type. Probably 3rd roundish if he was to go into this years draft tomorrow.
 
Hey KM,

I'm sure you've been asked this in the past but, at this point in time, what do you feel are the chances of either GWS or GC nominating Jack Viney and thus forcing us to use Pick #3 to select him? I'd be happy to take him there if it occured as I think he is worth that pick to our club. Just thought I'd ask for your thoughts on that. Cheers.
 

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CowboyFromHell said:
Hey KM,

I'm sure you've been asked this in the past but, at this point in time, what do you feel are the chances of either GWS or GC nominating Jack Viney and thus forcing us to use Pick #3 to select him? I'd be happy to take him there if it occured as I think he is worth that pick to our club. Just thought I'd ask for your thoughts on that. Cheers.
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GWS won't pass up Whitfield at pick 1.

Gold Coast have expressed an interest in Viney and it's not clear whether they force Melbourne to use pick 3 for Viney. The feeling is 70/30 Gold Coast pass so Melbourne with some luck will get Viney 2nd round.
 
Knightmare said:
I see that trio as being pretty even but also very different players. Of these I'd pick for best fit for the particular clubs situation.

Membrey will give the most immediate punch as that strong leading forward. Shaw is more your tall marking forward with some smarts and the ability to finish around goal. Then Jaksch is more your versatile - can play forward or back to a high level and is the best of all worlds and can play up the ground and have more of an impact.
All look to be first rounders in any case and all in a similar enough range. Who has the better career probably comes down to who lands in the best situation.
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Would you agree Membrey is the most likely to be a sure thing?

This draft isn't rated for talls, but 4 KPFs taken in the 1st round is good depth - not including Stringer. Best since '06.
 
Knightmare said:
GWS won't pass up Whitfield at pick 1.

Gold Coast have expressed an interest in Viney and it's not clear whether they force Melbourne to use pick 3 for Viney. The feeling is 70/30 Gold Coast pass so Melbourne with some luck will get Viney 2nd round.
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Cheers mate, that's pretty much what I thought.
 
bombermick said:
Would you agree Membrey is the most likely to be a sure thing?

This draft isn't rated for talls, but 4 KPFs taken in the 1st round is good depth - not including Stringer. Best since '06.
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I probably wouldn't rate any of these KPFs as sure things even though the potential is there for all to become very good players at the next level.

Unlike 2006 this year just doesn't have that same feeling of top end quality and many of these are probably more 1st rounders because that is what teams need.

Also is Jaksch a key forward or key defender? Is Membrey a key forward, third tall or will he develop into a strong midfielder? Stringer I probably consider more of an impact mid/tall flanker than a key forward. So unlike in years gone past I don't think I can count all these as pure key forwards this year and now with the 1st round going into the 20s with the extra teams and the compensation picks it's not a surprise to see more KPPs going early as they are typically the most demanded - but hardest to get and because of this the best are picked early.

Membrey is probably the most likely to find a role because he is that immediate player and is already pretty much AFL quality. But it might not be the in a role many would expect. Maybe key forward. Maybe as a 3rd tall forward. Maybe through the midfield - to be developed into a Josh Kennedy/Jobe Watson type powerful tall midfielder which might be another very possible interpretation with Membrey which probably hasn't been discussed enough.

Jaksch also I think should pretty easily find a role on most teams. With his ability to play forward or back with a couple of years in the system he should have the ability in the right team to slot in somewhere.
 
Did you see much of Tom Hickey play this year, KM and if so, what did you think of him and particularly his ruckwork and also do you think he has the capabilities to play 70% up forward, in an AFL team, or is he much more likely to be suited to playing mainly in the ruck?

I'm guessing you saw his terrific game against your Pies at the 'G, (where he had 19 possies, 24 hitouts and 8 marks- many of them contested). That was the first time I saw him and I was super-impressed with his overhead marking (reminded me of McEvoy), in particular, but didn't pay that much attention to him outside of that, other than when he also kicked a couple of goals, from strong marks against us, a week or so later.

There's talk that we have offered him a 3 year deal and we need some quality back-up for McEvoy, so I'm wondering if he's likely to be able to eventually play in the same team with Mac (if we get him), or whether they would both be too lumbering and immobile to have them both playing together? McEvoy isn't really suited to playing forward, but I didn't pay close enough attention to Hickey to get a feeling if he would be or not.
 

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I think everyone would rate him extremely highly on talent when fully fit, it's just going to be who is prepared to take the risk on someone who had a badly broken leg and has so far not gotten back to full fitness and mobility again and would possibly have question marks about whether he actually will or not.

I would hope that we would take the punt, if he is there at pick 12 (if we still have it) and there is a bit of talk on the board that North are mighty-keen on him, seeing him as a potential "marquee player" and they have pick 14. Menzel might slip to you though!
 
swansfan51 said:
Is there much of a gap between Toumpas and Viney? If not surely GC would bid
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Very different types of players mate, hard to compare.
 
Hey KM noticed McRae has flown up your rankings and is just behind O'Rourke in your phantom draft now. Can you tell me what the differences between the two are. In the sun I think it said McRae needs to work on penetration with his kicking but you seem to think it is fine. Is McRae a bit more outside than O'Rourke and is one of them faster than the other? Thanks :)
 
Trav 20 said:
I see this as a futile exercise as you need years in the system to make any sort of accurate assessment, but it interests me how you come to some of your conclusions.

Viney played with Greene at Ashburton Juniors and was always better, as his 4 B&F's in a row attest. Viney played with Greene at Oakleigh Chargers and was always considered better. Viney was BOG in the losing GF a year ago in which Green was a teammate. But based on one year in the AFL Greene is supposedly a superior prospect.

Viney has always been the better junior and inside mid, which for me is significant.
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Doesn't mean everything.

Every draft year has their Fortunato Caruso or Dean Kelly... the 5'0" tank inside mid who gets 35 every week & wins every award there is...
Not saying Viney's that extreme, but I think it is fair to say he's further along in his development than Greene - like both of those boys. Often guys who have a bit more size take longer, but end up better - look at this year's AA side, there's a small handful of late bloomers in there.


Plus, it's only one person's opinion. No need to get too het up about it.
 
Tim McMillan and the ruckman Prowse who played yesterday, eligible this year? Draft range?
 

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Just had a look at some of the kicking efficiency of this years midfielders. Maybe a sense of their decision making aswell based on TAC stats.

ORourke - 66%
Atkins - 62.5%
Vlastuin - 61%
Macrae - 60%
N.Graham - 60%
L.Hunter - 60% (maybe more a forward)
Whitfield - 56%
Ballard - 55%
Wines - 53.5%
Pongracic - 47%
Hrovat - 45.5%

I guess the real standout is ORourke here and the other end of the spectrum would be Wines and Hrovat.
 
Slattery_20 said:
Doesn't mean everything.

Every draft year has their Fortunato Caruso or Dean Kelly... the 5'0" tank inside mid who gets 35 every week & wins every award there is...
Not saying Viney's that extreme, but I think it is fair to say he's further along in his development than Greene - like both of those boys. Often guys who have a bit more size take longer, but end up better - look at this year's AA side, there's a small handful of late bloomers in there.


Plus, it's only one person's opinion. No need to get too het up about it.
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Firstly, where's the "het" ?

Secondly, Viney just has a manic approach to the footy. He has the type of approach that can't be taught. It can be improved, but not replicated. A lot of players try and emulate Joel Selwood's ruthless attack on the footy, but they can't. Selwood had it in juniors and it translated to AFL. It usually does.

Greene is a really good player, but I disagree that he'll be as good an inside mid as Viney. The OP disagrees, which is fine.

The OP likes Lucas Cook, who I've seen a lot of. We disagree again, which is fine.
 
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