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Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2013 phantom draft

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Reckon Apeness projects as a younger David Hale with more hair.

Will be very competitive in the ruck or the forward line, and will have his days just because he's a big bloke and can take a decent grab, but not outstanding at either position.
 
Jack Package said:
Reckon Apeness projects as a younger David Hale with more hair.

Will be very competitive in the ruck or the forward line, and will have his days just because he's a big bloke and can take a decent grab, but not outstanding at either position.
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Every single club would take him in the draft if that was the case. 200 game key forward/ruckman
 

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Hi KM, Emma Quale has an article in todays Age regarding Zac Jones. Spoke highly of him as a player who has worked his way from Back to mid and performed well. Evidently one of those players who kept improving as the TAC season wore on. During a finals warm up he had to pulled out for fear he would hurt his teammates. No bruise free football about Zac. Given todays emphasis on tough defensive football I would not be surprised to see him go up the order next week. He can play half back as well as mid.
Given that apart from recruiting more mids the Dees aim to rid itself of the 'bruise free' image which has embarrassed the club over recent seasons would it be a big surprise to see them pick up Jones at 9. Viney is big on tough players and Roos wants to see a big lift in hardness and competiveness.
Roos wants to address the low 57 odd percentage the Dees had last year before even winning games. That low percentage is a direct result of playing bruise free football (and low quality midfield) - and Roos knows that. That is one reason why they traded pick 2. They do not need flashy playmakers they need skilled tough players who can just get in there, get the hard ball or prevent opponents from getting the ball.
Whatever, I would not be surprised to see Jones go earlier than expected.
 
Just wondering what Are your thoughts on James Sicily

The inside word
Medium forward who reads the game well and shows genuine footy smarts. Shows the ability to mark strongly overhead and can often lose his opponent in traffic. Is neat in his disposal by foot and an accurate set shot.
That was on the afl website. I've even heard of him compared to Nat Fyfe but what are your thoughts on him. And where in the draft does he fit hawthorn at 38 Possible?
 
Swanhotels said:
KM, there is talk of the Swans looking at Appeness now rather than Lobb at 15, thoughts on this? I didnt think Appeness had an amazing carnival.
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Some rumours of some interesting players from Sydney at 15. Merrett. Lobb.

Apeness is a poor selection at 15. Paying overs and picking someone who isn't a good fit in Sydney's situation. He's a less athletic, smaller, poor mans Tippett from a Sydney perspective.

I'm surprised Darcy Gardiner isn't getting spoken about more or Blake Acres as two who probably are available to Sydney.

Footyking123 said:
Is this late list of others in any order?
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Roughly. Miller and L.Taylor of that next 10 could be slightly higher from that group but I just listed them to give people a feel for some of the better kicks in this draft.

LuKe2428 said:
Do you still think Matt Sharenberg will get to number 12? Surely he wouldnt get past Collingwood, Melbourne or Brisbane?

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I'll post an update this weekend with updated bios and a number of new picks.

Scharenberg I'll likely have going to Collingwood at pick 10 next update. Collingwood since Rendell has arrived likes those who have played senior footy so if he's there he's probably hard to overlook.

Melbourne seem to like Freeman and Salem most. Then Brisbane seem most keen on the taller types - Bontempelli and McCarthy specifically going by what's mostly rumoured.

Still not a whole lot of clarity inside that top 10 with a bit of movement still to happen. Kolodjashnij I seems to be increasingly firming for pick 3. We'll hear more over this next week as to exactly what's happening I'm sure with the media often letting a few stronger rumours slip.
 
manny100 said:
Hi KM, Emma Quale has an article in todays Age regarding Zac Jones. Spoke highly of him as a player who has worked his way from Back to mid and performed well. Evidently one of those players who kept improving as the TAC season wore on. During a finals warm up he had to pulled out for fear he would hurt his teammates. No bruise free football about Zac. Given todays emphasis on tough defensive football I would not be surprised to see him go up the order next week. He can play half back as well as mid.
Given that apart from recruiting more mids the Dees aim to rid itself of the 'bruise free' image which has embarrassed the club over recent seasons would it be a big surprise to see them pick up Jones at 9. Viney is big on tough players and Roos wants to see a big lift in hardness and competiveness.
Roos wants to address the low 57 odd percentage the Dees had last year before even winning games. That low percentage is a direct result of playing bruise free football (and low quality midfield) - and Roos knows that. That is one reason why they traded pick 2. They do not need flashy playmakers they need skilled tough players who can just get in there, get the hard ball or prevent opponents from getting the ball.
Whatever, I would not be surprised to see Jones go earlier than expected.
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I haven't sighted the article but I share Emma's optimism about Zac Jones. His grand final wasn't so dominant but certainly the week prior played some out of his mind football through the midfield.
He's a Jones so you know he's made of the right stuff but then he also has a hint of class with his sidestep and ability to create some extra time and space for himself.

It would be a big surprise to see Jones picked at 9. He's not expected to get selected inside the top 20. From pick 15 onwards he's someone I'd perhaps be willing to think about selecting depending on those others taken but from 20 onwards I'd be happy to take him.

At 9 I just don't feel his talent necessarily stacks up so favourably to those others likely to be available. In the TAC he's had zero games of 30 disposals. Even in his dominant finals game v Calder Cannons he only collected 28 disposals.
Crouch on the other hand has in no games had less than 30 disposals per game. And he's not going top 10 on draft day.
You just can't invest that much on someone who could perhaps find a role, but won't be a star for a team as a lesser performed player.

If Melbourne should be taking anyone at 9 it's Matt Crouch or Blake Acres as two of the really, really well performed midfielders but with the ability in my mind to develop into very high level midfielders going by the performances they have on the board.

tops said:
Just wondering what Are your thoughts on James Sicily

The inside word
Medium forward who reads the game well and shows genuine footy smarts. Shows the ability to mark strongly overhead and can often lose his opponent in traffic. Is neat in his disposal by foot and an accurate set shot.
That was on the afl website. I've even heard of him compared to Nat Fyfe but what are your thoughts on him. And where in the draft does he fit hawthorn at 38 Possible?
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He's not a great kick like Fyfe and is a similar strong marking forward so there are some similarities.

He's just a softer, more outside version and won't win that contested ball or win the clearances Fyfe will.

He'll likely get drafted and may be a fit for a team in the range you are suggesting but with Gunston already it's not a selection I'd be making in Hawthorn's situation.
 
Are there any more guys in this draft like Ben Brown - mature, more or less ready to go ruck/fwds?

Also do you think if Merrett makes it to 26 Essendon would get him or are there rumours of some other player on our radar that you know of?

Thanks, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this thread!
 
ChilbroSwaggins said:
Are there any more guys in this draft like Ben Brown - mature, more or less ready to go ruck/fwds?

Also do you think if Merrett makes it to 26 Essendon would get him or are there rumours of some other player on our radar that you know of?

Thanks, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this thread!
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Bart McCulloch (ex Brisbane) is an alternative to Ben Brown as a similar type. I'd rather than Brown if picking between the two though.

Also don't discount Toby Nankervis. He's only the one year older but his game is relatively advanced. He probably doesn't help next year but he's good.

Merrett may go somewhere around pick 26. No clarity as to whether he's available for certain. If there Essendon may well take him. I'm not a fan of the romantism of bringing brothers together but if the club is happy with Jackson and feel Zac's personality also checks out then it's a very possible selection with the club looking for more quality users of the footy and another good outside type.
 
Knightmare said:
Bart McCulloch (ex Brisbane) is an alternative to Ben Brown as a similar type. I'd rather than Brown if picking between the two though.

Also don't discount Toby Nankervis. He's only the one year older but his game is relatively advanced. He probably doesn't help next year but he's good.

Merrett may go somewhere around pick 26. No clarity as to whether he's available for certain. If there Essendon may well take him. I'm not a fan of the romantism of bringing brothers together but if the club is happy with Jackson and feel Zac's personality also checks out then it's a very possible selection with the club looking for more quality users of the footy and another good outside type.
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I'd prefer Nankervis to Mculloch, has shown a bit of forward potential as well, which would be what we're looking for.

Also, just on Merrett, do you see him having the ability to go forward? Jackson I think will end up more of a winger when he develops a tank, but definitely has that nose for goal, and I think it's something you have to have if your a sub 180cm outside player.

Would prefer Kennedy Harris as a smaller outside player with that same forward game
 
Jack Package said:
I'd prefer Nankervis to Mculloch, has shown a bit of forward potential as well, which would be what we're looking for.

Also, just on Merrett, do you see him having the ability to go forward? Jackson I think will end up more of a winger when he develops a tank, but definitely has that nose for goal, and I think it's something you have to have if your a sub 180cm outside player.

Would prefer Kennedy Harris as a smaller outside player with that same forward game
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Merrett has the versatility to play a little bit everywhere. He could if played forward be a flanker who can find those targets inside 50. You have to feed him the ball but do that and he can do some good things. Just don't expect a deeper crumber with that not at all who he is.

Kennedy-Harris is clearly the better crumber of the two and does it so naturally.
Merrett up the ground I like a touch more as more a playmaker who finds those targets by foot and makes them look better.

Just depends on what you're looking for.

Of the two I'd pick based on need with both two I'd rate relatively evenly. But Merrett forced to pick Merrett is the one I'd favour.
 

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Knightmare said:
His position depends on the club that take him. He's versatile and can do a bit of both.

Doubtful that Jake goes anywhere inside the top 30. He might be a mid-late draft option but I don't see him getting picked second round.
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That's ok, you didn't see him getting drafted at all a month or two ago ;)
 
Thurlow2Mackie said:
That's ok, you didn't see him getting drafted at all a month or two ago ;)
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Did I mention he may get overlooked.

Only K.Kolodjashnij and Templeton can be locked in at this point from Tasmania. There can be 10 different guys looked at and probably roughly 5/6 get drafted at the end of the day which is a great result for Tasmania but it's not a draft you go locking too many in for outside that first 20 and perhaps that next 10.
 
Knightmare said:
Did I mention he may get overlooked.

Only K.Kolodjashnij and Templeton can be locked in at this point from Tasmania. There can be 10 different guys looked at and probably roughly 5/6 get drafted at the end of the day which is a great result for Tasmania but it's not a draft you go locking too many in for outside that first 20 and perhaps that next 10.
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I'm locking JK in. Very very confident, but obviously there are no certainties. :) I got Eli, Jake, and Kade locked in, the others are less certain, but some strong chances amongst the rest too.
 
Knightmare said:
He's not a great kick like Fyfe and is a similar strong marking forward so there are some similarities.
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Let me stop you there.

Fyfe's kicking efficiency boarderline pathetic.

2011: 61.5% disposal efficiency (bottom 10 in the league for players with over 10 games for the year)
2012: 56.9% disposal efficiency (worst in the league)
2013: 60.9% disposal efficiency (as 2011 above)

IIRC his disposal efficiency in the granfinal was approximately 45%
 
TOA. said:
Let me stop you there.

Fyfe's kicking efficiency boarderline pathetic.

2011: 61.5% disposal efficiency (bottom 10 in the league for players with over 10 games for the year)
2012: 56.9% disposal efficiency (worst in the league)
2013: 60.9% disposal efficiency (as 2011 above)

IIRC his disposal efficiency in the granfinal was approximately 45%
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You misread him.
 

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TOA. said:
Let me stop you there.

Fyfe's kicking efficiency boarderline pathetic.

2011: 61.5% disposal efficiency (bottom 10 in the league for players with over 10 games for the year)
2012: 56.9% disposal efficiency (worst in the league)
2013: 60.9% disposal efficiency (as 2011 above)

IIRC his disposal efficiency in the granfinal was approximately 45%
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Night mare was saying he isnt a great kick, just like Fyfe isn't.
 
Knightmare what are your thoughts on rumours Collingwood have gone cold on Bontempelli and are considering McCarthy at 10 now. Can you think of a reason as to why they have gone cold?

Also do you think it will be a Big Win for Carlton if Bontempelli slides to 13. With a surname like that he should be playing for Carlton.
 
TOA. said:
Let me stop you there.

Fyfe's kicking efficiency boarderline pathetic.

2011: 61.5% disposal efficiency (bottom 10 in the league for players with over 10 games for the year)
2012: 56.9% disposal efficiency (worst in the league)
2013: 60.9% disposal efficiency (as 2011 above)

IIRC his disposal efficiency in the granfinal was approximately 45%
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I was surprised a couple days ago when I saw a stat that showed his kicking efficiency under no pressure at all was just in the 60's, the worst of the top 50 ball winners in the league.
 
Danair said:
I was surprised a couple days ago when I saw a stat that showed his kicking efficiency under no pressure at all was just in the 60's, the worst of the top 50 ball winners in the league.
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Yeh, the stats are worth repeating. He gets basically zero crticism from the media for his kicking.
 
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