Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2013 phantom draft

[RedmanWasHere]

Has exceptionally explosive pace. Can hit the scoreboard. He has some weapons at his disposal and to this point is well performed so signs are positive.

He could be worth taking in the 2nd round with that F/S choice if he continues his improvement next year.

What odds do you give Billy of wearing No. 18 for 2015?

Also, Jack Viney can take his old man's No. 12 with Colin Sylvia off to Freo.

 

[Rancid Trogs]

Hey Knightmare,

What are your thoughts on both Shaun Edwards and Kurt Aylett at Essedon. Could you provide a brief description of each as little has been seen of them? Would be much appreciated,

Thanks

 

[clipboardbinocs]

its all well and good speaking from perth but i doubt you have any sort of idea what our player development and football programs are like, developed players like rockliff hanley leunberger over the years, we just drafted the wrong kids with no ticker, get informed and educated first before saying the usual predictable stuff you hear on the media

Found this really humorous.

 

[captainrich]

Found this really humorous.

lovely

 

[winty]

Was interested to see who you thought Geelong would draft:

Pick 16 - Darcy Gardiner (KPD)
Pick 36 - Isaiah Miller (Def/Mid)
Pick 41 - Darcy Byrne-Jones (Mid/Def)
Pick 54 - Alex Spencer (KPD)
Pick 64 - Tom Cutler (KPD)
Pick 72 - Matthew Sully (KPD)

Found it interesting that you thought we'd draft 4 KPDs as well as another couple of players who are HBF/back pocket players. I'd have thought we'd at least try to get another ruckman since we lost West and there are injury clouds over Simpson and McIntosh.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

its all well and good speaking from perth but i doubt you have any sort of idea what our player development and football programs are like, developed players like rockliff hanley leunberger over the years, we just drafted the wrong kids with no ticker, get informed and educated first before saying the usual predictable stuff you hear on the media

You are seriously delusional mate. I even heard Rob Kerr speaking about the lack of recources that we're put into player welfare and development over the last few years and how they need to start to rectify it. Start living in the real world please. 5 players don't just decide to leave cos they have "no ticker." God help me.

 

[fitzbane Lions]

You are seriously delusional mate. I even heard Rob Kerr speaking about the lack of recources that we're put into player welfare and development over the last few years and how they need to start to rectify it. Start living in the real world please. 5 players don't just decide to leave cos they have "no ticker." God help me.

That I'd correct but it was ok for the 2012, 2010, 2009, 2008 draftees?

 

[captainrich]

You are seriously delusional mate. I even heard Rob Kerr speaking about the lack of recources that we're put into player welfare and development over the last few years and how they need to start to rectify it. Start living in the real world please. 5 players don't just decide to leave cos they have "no ticker." God help me.

sure thing stan, we might need to invest more in player welfare and development in comparison with some of the top clubs, however it doesnt nesscarrily mean its poor infact we've developed some great prospects over the years, the issue was and always has been if a player doesnt buy into your culture or he environment in your city its never going to work,
- Yeo was developed extremely well, going from a rough prospect to becoming a quality first 22 player he left because he was homesick, he basically stated he liked brisbane but when he went back home,he started hanging out with his mates from home and decided he would much prefer to be around them
-Longer was a 2nd year ruckman who was complaining about not getting enough gametime, he is a 2nd year ruckman and is no grundy, how can he possibly expect to be getting games ahead of leunberger, and when he has a poor forward game also is unable to dominate games in NEAFL, a big ego and opinion of himself was his downfall, also he stated he wanted to be in the melbourne footy atmosphere brisbane seemed too secluded
-Dochertys manager was on record to say that docherty thought brisbane was too insular and he would rather be in melbourne, also he expected more gametime without having earnt it, he wasn't fit enough in his first season and when he was gifted games this year he really didn't show as much as we would have liked to keep his spot in the starting 22
- Karneziz wanted to become a pendlebury type midfielder but he didn't have the work ethic to work both ways and had next to 0 defensive pressure, and the club didn't want to gift him games because of it, he felt differently and thought he should be playing so instead of working on these weaknesses and toughing it out he would much rather go home and be around mummy and learn from pendlebury at collingwood
- Polec had massive injury issues over the time he was here, however it was beileved he never really bought into the culture at the club and was always keen to return home, similar to polec

as it seems the club just picked 4 players with dud personalities and a great deal of self righteousness and we ended up paying, we were unlucky with yeo but life moves on, it is just annoying to see people like you who have no understanding of a situation read 1 article in the media and act like you know more than club supporters and tell them they are deluded

 

[WAFLfan1969]

The way Brisbane sacked their Coach at a time when they were playing some improved footy was a indictment on the Club. Some of what was reported in the paper was true!!

 

[captainrich]

that was a poor decision however at the sametime, if you looked at his results over the period he was coach he deserved to be sacked, it was just done in a poor manner and to a club legend, regardless the players that left 4 of them were not willing to work hard and earn their spot in the team and given we arent an AFL fancy city and these guys are not treated like gods something they expect they decide to leave

 

[WAFLfan1969]

that was a poor decision however at the sametime, if you looked at his results over the period he was coach he deserved to be sacked, it was just done in a poor manner and to a club legend, regardless the players that left 4 of them were not willing to work hard and earn their spot in the team and given we arent an AFL fancy city and these guys are not treated like gods something they expect they decide to leave

So you are blaming the 4 players for having big egos ?

 

[captainrich]

So you are blaming the 4 players for having big egos ?

yeahhh that really is a nothing question

 

[Andy_Mac]

Has exceptionally explosive pace. Can hit the scoreboard. He has some weapons at his disposal and to this point is well performed so signs are positive.

He could be worth taking in the 2nd round with that F/S choice if he continues his improvement next year.

So you would assume his normal draft position would be 15-25?

 

[THE_GUN]

Richmond #12 - Matt Scharenberg
Ill be buying you a few drinks if this happens mate

 

[Rockford]

- Karneziz wanted to become a pendlebury type midfielder but he didn't have the work ethic to work both ways and had next to 0 defensive pressure, and the club didn't want to gift him games because of it, he felt differently and thought he should be playing so instead of working on these weaknesses and toughing it out he would much rather go home and be around mummy and learn from pendlebury at collingwood

Based on what Karnezis was doing in the NEAFL it seemed he should've been getting games. I don't have any inside knowledge obviously but I put it down to him seeking a trade before this season and making it clear that he wasn't planning to stay, so regardless of what he did the club weren't going to play him. I'd thought he'd worked hard in that game against the Pies this season too and remember thinking maybe he's finally going to break into the side full time now, but then he was dropped the following round and didn't get another chance for the year.

 

[Trent Place]

Hey Knightmare love your work buddy. Hey who do you think Port Adelaide can realistically get at pick 21.
Also a bit harder but who may be around for there 2nd round pick. Cheers

 

[fitzbane Lions]

Based on what Karnezis was doing in the NEAFL it seemed he should've been getting games. I don't have any inside knowledge obviously but I put it down to him seeking a trade before this season and making it clear that he wasn't planning to stay, so regardless of what he did the club weren't going to play him. I'd thought he'd worked hard in that game against the Pies this season too and remember thinking maybe he's finally going to break into the side full time now, but then he was dropped the following round and didn't get another chance for the year.

All he was doing was getting the ball and chopping it. Was back there to improve kicking and defensive game. Not the hardest worker. But I do highly rate the kid and hope he goes on with it. Personally if he got the ball so much during the NAB cup and was in the best in rd 1. Should have got more games. Also if you listened to rob Kerr in SEN he stated that Yeo, Docherty ane Longer all were happy with contracts put in front of them up until 6 weeks ago before the talk started. So I just don't know what the hell happened. Patty k and polec they were aware of from the start of the year

 

[tenderwarrior]

Based on what Karnezis was doing in the NEAFL it seemed he should've been getting games. I don't have any inside knowledge obviously but I put it down to him seeking a trade before this season and making it clear that he wasn't planning to stay, so regardless of what he did the club weren't going to play him.

Apparently he had left Brisbane before their Reserves team had finished their season, which if true is an indictment on him. I have heard that they wanted him to work on his defensive side of his game, his 'two-way' running etc, but it seems it fell on deaf ears.

On the other hand, I have known youngsters that have played at Brisbane and they had spoken about the segregation within the club between the coaches and players and between the senior players and youngsters. One family member who was on Brisbane's list for two years said that in all that time, Leigh Matthews, the then coach did not speak to him, not even once!

I know that is a few years ago, but many of the same players and staff would still be there, and it seems that the disunity is still there, hence the 'go home five' debacle.

 

[fitzbane Lions]

Apparently he had left Brisbane before their Reserves team had finished their season, which if true is an indictment on him. I have heard that they wanted him to work on his defensive side of his game, his 'two-way' running etc, but it seems it fell on deaf ears.

On the other hand, I have known youngsters that have played at Brisbane and they had spoken about the segregation within the club between the coaches and players and between the senior players and youngsters. One family member who was on Brisbane's list for two years said that in all that time, Leigh Matthews, the then coach did not speak to him, not even once!

I know that is a few years ago, but many of the same players and staff would still be there, and it seems that the disunity is still there, hence the 'go home five' debacle.

who ever is your source, I wouldn't EVER quote him again. Seeing Leigh Matthews finished coaching in 2008! And patty wasnt even top age under 18s #crapsource

Patty (and billy longer) also was respectful enough to play in both of our reserve GFs that included young players like archie smith, freeman (zone draft), tinkler and Conway (other 3 will be our rookie list as they are apart of our acedamy.

Unlike polec (pick 22 for him was a good deal for us) who wouldn't out the extra hours in when required. Left with only 1 friend at the club.. docherty..

I wish luck to all the rest that left..

 

[tenderwarrior]

who ever is your source, I wouldn't EVER quote him again. Seeing Leigh Matthews finished coaching in 2008! And patty wasnt even top age under 18s #crapsource.

Sorry you misunderstood me. My relative WAS the player in question who never had Matthews directly speak to him.

Re the talk that Karnezis walked out the NEAFL team, glad to hear that was false

 

[chopperduck]

I'm pretty sure Patty didn't play, although I think it was due to injury. At least not the cross conference GF.

 

[Knightmare]

What odds do you give Billy of wearing No. 18 for 2015?

Also, Jack Viney can take his old man's No. 12 with Colin Sylvia off to Freo.

Very possible but I'll leave it to the Melbourne FC to figure out the numbers and how they want filling them.

Hey Knightmare,

What are your thoughts on both Shaun Edwards and Kurt Aylett at Essedon. Could you provide a brief description of each as little has been seen of them? Would be much appreciated,

Thanks

On the Essendon board I made a couple of posts about Edwards on there.

Edwards I see as something similar to Paul Seedsman or Matt Shaw depending on who you've watched more of as that linebreaking tallish back flanker/wingman. He can also play some as a forward. He's a year younger than Seedsman and Shaw but a good outcome would be if he developed into something similar and built that same consistency into his game.

Aylett is another tall athletic running type who probably plays his best footy on a back flank or wing. He's not as explosive as Edwards and more an endurance runner. He's not nearly as talented as Edwards and I'm not as much of a wrap for his game having not done as much so I'll be interested to see what Essendon see in him.

Edwards though I hold hope for and I think is a strong get considering what minimal currency was given up.

Was interested to see who you thought Geelong would draft:

Pick 16 - Darcy Gardiner (KPD)
Pick 36 - Isaiah Miller (Def/Mid)
Pick 41 - Darcy Byrne-Jones (Mid/Def)
Pick 54 - Alex Spencer (KPD)
Pick 64 - Tom Cutler (KPD)
Pick 72 - Matthew Sully (KPD)

Found it interesting that you thought we'd draft 4 KPDs as well as another couple of players who are HBF/back pocket players. I'd have thought we'd at least try to get another ruckman since we lost West and there are injury clouds over Simpson and McIntosh.

Geelong won't pick 4 key defenders and in future updates I'll balance it out better. More likely would be two key defenders but I'll better balance Geelong's draft over future updates.

I have no problems with Geelong's ruck division. McIntosh and Simpson are both excellent no.1 ruckmen. Blicavs showed while unorthodox can also play that role exceptionally well.
Then as no.2 ruckmen Nathan Vardy and Josh Walker are both excellent.

I'd recommend waiting for next year when there are a few more interesting ruck options. This year Geelong I'd expect focus more on building that back half for the future and perhaps adding some other midfielders or utilities with those other selections.

So you would assume his normal draft position would be 15-25?

I think Stretch is worth somewhere closer to pick 15 if the draft was tomorrow. In the second round he'd represent strong value.

Hey Knightmare love your work buddy. Hey who do you think Port Adelaide can realistically get at pick 21.
Also a bit harder but who may be around for there 2nd round pick. Cheers

Dunstan is someone who I wouldn't be at all surprised to see available. Excellent get if there.
Dumont perhaps available. Battersby is another who could be available and again represent strong value. Some good South Australians likely to be available around that selection.

 

[the mighty T]

Knighta, just curious.. whats caused Scharenberg to drop in your rankings?

 

[Knightmare]

Knighta, just curious.. whats caused Scharenberg to drop in your rankings?

I'm not as confident in his ability as I was earlier in the season.

I was hoping as a taller guy that he would transition into the midfield but it hasn't happened.

Additionally I was hoping his form back in the SANFL would be stronger but his highlight of the year was the u18 champs where he could play as a sweeper and find all the easy ball which doesn't happen so much against better competition.

He may not go top 10 on draft day and will go somewhere in the 5-15 range. Exactly where in that range will be interesting to see but I think just outside the top 10.

 

[Zach Package]

Knightmare have heard we're keen on Apeness at 26, do you think he'll last to that spot considering his stock looks to be rising as we get closer to the draft?

Would like either him or Conlon because they offer a bit of depth as both a KPF/Ruck