Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2013 phantom draft

[Pykie]

Knightmare, what's seen Bontempelli and McDonald fall from your power rankings and made Crouch and Sheed move up?

Knightmare's obviously missed the VFL finals.

 

[captainrich]

hey km still dont rate conway in your top 60 power rankings? hes had a few best on grounds in a row playing in the neafl lately

 

[Sunny_]

Hey KM. Just a quick note on Jack Martin. Looks like he has grown to about 188/189. Perhaps still a bit more growth in him?

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare, what's seen Bontempelli and McDonald fall from your power rankings and made Crouch and Sheed move up?

More Crouch and Sheed moving up. They're the best performed mids this year and in reviewing their games I'm very satisified with where they're both at and how their games translate.

 

[Knightmare]

hey km still dont rate conway in your top 60 power rankings? hes had a few best on grounds in a row playing in the neafl lately

I liked what I saw of Conway last year but haven't been left satisfied in those games I've seen this year to be able to rate him as high as I had previously.

I'll leave the evaluations to those QLD viewers who have seen more post champs.

Hey KM. Just a quick note on Jack Martin. Looks like he has grown to about 188/189. Perhaps still a bit more growth in him?

You never know how tall a guy will grow. It's great for Gold Coast that he's continued to grow but I wouldn't expect he'd grow much further if indeed he has reached 188/189cm.

 

[Daz]

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/42656

 

[Paddywhackers]

Also James Sicily is possibly the most skillful young player I've seen this year, where do you see him going?

Hi James,

I reckon you might go say, ****, never seen you before, please don't be offended, never heard of you, but don't take too much offence, i'd never heard of Scott Pendlebury before he was drafted.

 

[Sin City]

Hey KM. Just a quick note on Jack Martin. Looks like he has grown to about 188/189. Perhaps still a bit more growth in him?

Like he wasn't a scary enough prospect already. You guys have a gem there.

 

[Legend23]

i have been told from a very good source. Jack Martin is regarded as the second best player on the Suns list behind Ablett of course

 

[Sunny_]

Like he wasn't a scary enough prospect already. You guys have a gem there.

Just worried that he won't put the mass on if he keeps growing like that! Although at that height it enables him to play in the forward line much more easily so he doesn't get snapped in half in the midfield. Very different body shape compared to Jaeger.

More a notice to KM so he can update the OP with the new height. Unsure if the weight has changed, though he has spent plenty of time in the gym.

 

[Knightmare]

i have been told from a very good source. Jack Martin is regarded as the second best player on the Suns list behind Ablett of course

It's not about having good sources. Gold Coast have continually through the media mentioned that they think Jack Martin is better than Jaeger.

Martin has the opportunity to become the best in this draft but I'd take Jaeger first anyday.

Martin is better in the air and stronger overhead and has even more freakish athleticism but Jaeger wins his own footy more and is better inside the contest which in combination with his athleticism, damaging skills and professionalism make him the more dominant talent at AFL level.

 

[perodi]

hey knightmare,
Whats your take on the lions possibly picking up dayle garlett?
maybe as a second round pick,
think he could be something special for us on the outside with mayes and hanley.

 

[Knightmare]

hey knightmare,
Whats your take on the lions possibly picking up dayle garlett?
maybe as a second round pick,
think he could be something special for us on the outside with mayes and hanley.

I think Garlett can be had later in the draft but I'd advise Brisbane against taking him.

He has special talent but the question is whether he can be a long term player and mature off the field. I have my doubts personally.

 

[WAFLfan1969]

Dayle Garlett wins the title for most posts about one person, I do t have anything new to say just thought I would add another post

 

[Ruse]

Dayle Garlett wins the title for most posts about one person, I do t have anything new to say just thought I would add another post

Zyrus Manson

 

[tigs2010]

Zyrus Manson

Garlett wins. Been going for 3 years. Manson went for a few months.

 

[Damo80]

Garlett wins. Been going for 3 years. Manson went for a few months.

God help us if he gets overlooked again, and has a(nother?) good year in the WAFL next year!

 

[Rusty Beam]

Knight, I think particularly after the first round the Pies need to focus on rebounding player swho are decent defensively but more importantly are above average kicks. Some height would also be a plus

Isaiah Miller is one. Who else do you think we could target for our 2nd round / 3 rd / 4th etc (not sure how many picks we will take having regard to rookie upgrades)

 

[Demonheart]

Hey KM. Just a quick note on Jack Martin. Looks like he has grown to about 188/189. Perhaps still a bit more growth in him?

I am seriously excited about this kid, I can't wait to see him in action.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Knightmare, as a person I really respect I would like your take on GWS and how we have recruited and also what we might do this year.

It is impossible to get every decision right but I must say I've found some of our drafting decisions quite strange.

Firstly passing over Chad Wingard and Brodie Grundy.

From memory, Chad Wingard was predicted by most pundits as a pick 1-3 draftee on pure talent. I believe the only perceived knock on him was that he had several concussions as a young player and was deemed a bit of a risk. Was there any personality issues perceived about him?? He does come across as a confident possibly cocky young man but was he deemed a flight risk by interstate teams?? I just don't understand how we ignored him with 5 straight picks.

From memory again Grundy was forecast as a top 2 or top 3 talent from last years draft only to drop alarmingly to 19 on draft day. GWS had already identified a weakness at ruck and whilst we made it clear we wanted a mature ruck surely with 5 picks we were entitled to take Grundy. Again I have heard whispers his personality testing let him down and something about him saying he wanted to go to a strong winning club but it this true??

Both Wingard and Grundy look like generational players which we also lost out on with being unable to take Crouch, O'Meara, Martin and Hogan because of their age (albeit well compensated via the mini draft).

Last year we took Plowman at 3 (projected pick 7-10) which to me was a bizarre decision and O'Rourke (projected pick 5-7) over Wines which I need an explanation for from an experienced person like you. Yes we had a need for a defender but is pick 3 not too high a price to pay?? Wines looked ready made and had a senior body.

Again I realise we can't always get it right. Our recruiters did a sensational job with the 17 year olds we drafted and Whitfield also looks a gun but I do scratch my head about some other decisions.

What are your thoughts and what do you think about this draft. Would you go Boyd or would you go Scharanberg?? What would we have to give up with Taylor Adams to get pick 2??

Thoughts appreciated

 

[Knightmare]

Knight, I think particularly after the first round the Pies need to focus on rebounding player swho are decent defensively but more importantly are above average kicks. Some height would also be a plus

Isaiah Miller is one. Who else do you think we could target for our 2nd round / 3 rd / 4th etc (not sure how many picks we will take having regard to rookie upgrades)

Josh Glenn, Tom Langdon and Isaiah Miller all come to mind as above average kicking tall back flankers.
Glenn is my pick of the bunch but all are worth consideration as late draft selections.

Knightmare, as a person I really respect I would like your take on GWS and how we have recruited and also what we might do this year.

It is impossible to get every decision right but I must say I've found some of our drafting decisions quite strange.

Firstly passing over Chad Wingard and Brodie Grundy.

From memory, Chad Wingard was predicted by most pundits as a pick 1-3 draftee on pure talent. I believe the only perceived knock on him was that he had several concussions as a young player and was deemed a bit of a risk. Was there any personality issues perceived about him?? He does come across as a confident possibly cocky young man but was he deemed a flight risk by interstate teams?? I just don't understand how we ignored him with 5 straight picks.

From memory again Grundy was forecast as a top 2 or top 3 talent from last years draft only to drop alarmingly to 19 on draft day. GWS had already identified a weakness at ruck and whilst we made it clear we wanted a mature ruck surely with 5 picks we were entitled to take Grundy. Again I have heard whispers his personality testing let him down and something about him saying he wanted to go to a strong winning club but it this true??

Both Wingard and Grundy look like generational players which we also lost out on with being unable to take Crouch, O'Meara, Martin and Hogan because of their age (albeit well compensated via the mini draft).

Last year we took Plowman at 3 (projected pick 7-10) which to me was a bizarre decision and O'Rourke (projected pick 5-7) over Wines which I need an explanation for from an experienced person like you. Yes we had a need for a defender but is pick 3 not too high a price to pay?? Wines looked ready made and had a senior body.

Again I realise we can't always get it right. Our recruiters did a sensational job with the 17 year olds we drafted and Whitfield also looks a gun but I do scratch my head about some other decisions.

What are your thoughts and what do you think about this draft. Would you go Boyd or would you go Scharanberg?? What would we have to give up with Taylor Adams to get pick 2??

Thoughts appreciated

The talk around Wingard in his draft year was many of the other highly rated recruits didn't get along with him and that he was more interested in doing it his own way at another club to become the young star in his own right.

Grundy on the other hand made it very clear in his interviews that he wanted to go to a winning club who could provide him with the best possible environment for him to develop and reach his full potential as a footballer. During club interviews Brodie took on the role as interviewer and some clubs took him the wrong way.

Both Wingard and Grundy logically being considered top talents respectively and fits for GWS were months out from the drafts linked to GWS until they decided that they were not the right fits for the club.

O'Rourke and Plowman were both surprise selections and I didn't have either in the top 10 of my power rankings. O'Rourke missed the first half of the season with injury and he has some real explosiveness and good footskills so he can make the grade and become a very good footballer but I just liked others more. And Plowman similarly can become a good footballer by position as a rebounding defender but again there are some others I and probably most others liked more earlier in the draft.
It's a year since the draft so it's too early to say either were failed selections but I know if I was drafting for GWS with the knowledge of what's happened this year Wines and Grundy would be those logical picks 2+3 in hindsight not only as best availables but also incredible fits for that list as that tall, strong bodied inside midfielder that is needed but also that elite young ruckman that is needed.

The issue I believe with many of those clubs who continue to get the high draft selections is more down to the coaching/veteran leadership/development systems and if you have those pieces in place it can often make your drafting look much stronger than it otherwise would, but I haven't personally been a big wrap for GWS' recent drafting. Treating last years draft as a KPP draft I feel was a mistake knowing that Boyd would be available this year and with next year also looming as a KPP draft with my top 3 choices at this point all key forwards.

On what I'd do in GWS' situation. I'd take Boyd at pick 1. Scharenberg is a good talent but you don't just take a guy early based on need, it's all about going best available early and with those later selections that's when you can put some greater weight into selecting by need.
You don't take Graham Polak as a KPP when Chris Judd is still available. You take the guy who has the ability to change the direction of your franchise and work out your needs later.

To get pick 2 you'll need to offer an attractive package of midfielders or pace. Melbourne would I'd imagine look at a deal involving two of Taylor Adams, Dom Tyson and Hoskin-Elliott with pick 19.

 

[BlueMaster1]

Km do you reckon Zac websters chances are of getting drafted

 

[Knightmare]

Km do you reckon Zac websters chances are of getting drafted

Not guaranteed but he can get drafted. 50/50 chance.

 

[clipboardbinocs]

It's not about having good sources. Gold Coast have continually through the media mentioned that they think Jack Martin is better than Jaeger.

Martin has the opportunity to become the best in this draft but I'd take Jaeger first anyday.

Martin is better in the air and stronger overhead and has even more freakish athleticism but Jaeger wins his own footy more and is better inside the contest which in combination with his athleticism, damaging skills and professionalism make him the more dominant talent at AFL level.

Yeah that's a nice post, but completely false.

Martin is exceptional on the inside, has better hands and is a better user of the ball by foot.

Jaeger is no mug, but Martin is a genuine Freak.

 

[Rockford]

Knightmare's obviously missed the VFL finals.

What happened in the VFL Finals?