Kobe or Lebron

[calyam]

Well what did Allen or Bosh do in the first 3 qtrs to warrant the praise? Bron destroyed Parker on the defensive end and was sluggish on the offensive side, I think Lebron will go down as a better player then kobe, but not jordan, jordan was a once in a lifetime type of player, but Lebron has the POTENTIAL to get there, it's gonna be hard though.

If he retired now he would go down as a better player than Kobe. That race has already been won. There is a reason that one player has four MVPs and the other has only one.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Comparing AFL to basketball, wow.

LeBron is the better player but he hasnt got what Kobe or MJ has... Killer instinct and the rings. So lucky that Allen/Bosh bailed him out of game 6.

You should have waited another day to post

 

[PP34]

LeBron is better than Kobe.

 

[Poseidon]

LeBron certainly went up a notch in my books today. But I'd still take Kobe if I had to choose one to win a Finals series for me.

 

[peternorth]

id still take kobe.

 

[PHX]

 

[Kayaz]

LOL

 

[hans moleman]

But I'd still take Kobe if I had to choose one to win a Finals series for me.

id still take kobe.

#cmonson

 

[Kayaz]

What is kobe better at then lebron? Seriously.... and while you try to answer that question, just think of all the things that lebron is better at, it's really not that close anymore

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

What is kobe better at then lebron? Seriously.... and while you try to answer that question, just think of all the things that lebron is better at, it's really not that close anymore

Kobe is better at chucking.

 

[Substance]

What is kobe better at then lebron? Seriously.... and while you try to answer that question, just think of all the things that lebron is better at, it's really not that close anymore

He's far superior at not passing

 

[SuperCats9]

Top 10:

1 MJ
2 Russell
3 Kareem
4 Magic
5 Bird
6 Wilt
7 Kobe
8 Duncan
9 Shaq
10 Lebron

Still has a lot of catching up to do.

 

[PHX]

Top 10:

1 MJ
2 Russell
3 Kareem
4 Magic
5 Bird
6 Wilt
7 Kobe
8 Duncan
9 Shaq
10 Lebron

Still has a lot of catching up to do.

And that's exactly why anyone that says the LeBron narrative is shut after Championship number 2 is kidding themselves. Because LeBron is always going to be measured by the highest standard that few are and the fair and the unfair criticism is going nowhere.

And I'm not saying there is anything wrong with most of that when he thinks of himself as belonging to that group too.

It isn't going away until he is a vet and he transitions into that cagey vet that everyone respects persona.

If only he didn't play for Miami and with quite a few flogs I'd actually be much more positive when I post about him and be barracking for him to get rings like I do with Timmy D and KD.

 

[Connoisseur]

Why I'll never warm to LeFlog. This article encapsulates everything I loathe about him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...sonnen-details-history-beef-with-lebron-james

We sit the guy front row, and all through the night he snubs our fans. He’s a guest in our house and he refuses to sign any autographs or take any pictures unless your cup size was later in the alphabet than he was able to learn.

And from what I understand, he thinks the letter purple comes after "C." This guy walked up to my fiancee backstage and asks her if there’s a Tic Tac in her blouse or if she was just happy to see him.

I had a UFC employee tell me he saw a mother wheel her handicapped child up to him to get a picture. LeBron was walking towards them. When he reached the kid, the mother stopped the wheelchair. LeBron took the wheelchair, wheeled it out of the way and kept walking.

He’d run away faster than his hairline. His hair went North, his talents went South, and his mother went West.

 

[PHX]

If there are two things I wouldn't trust it's anything from Bleacher Report and someone who has a "beef" with him so obviously wants to inflame anything to suit their stance.

But mostly, anything from Bleacher Report. Terrible website.

 

[peternorth]

lebron has great FT shooters around him to help. also great shooters.

kobe had shaq. you're not gonna give it to shaq for the game winner cause they were gonna hack him.

 

[Kayaz]

lebron has great FT shooters around him to help. also great shooters.

kobe had shaq. you're not gonna give it to shaq for the game winner cause they were gonna hack him.

poor excuse, for someone that is known as clutch that's a poor %

 

[Kayaz]

also 0-7 in the finals 10 seconds since 07 , no shaq then

 

[Damon_3388]

The more important comparison, LeBron vs. Jordan...

LeBron James, aged 28 years, 174 days (today):

- 2 NBA Championships (2012, 2013)
- 4 NBA Finals appearances (2007, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 9 NBA Playoff appearances (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2 Olympic Gold Medals (2008, 2012), 1 Olympic Bronze Medal (2004)
- 3 Olympic appearances (2004, 2008, 2012)
- 4-time NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013)
- 2-time NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013)
- 9-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (2004)
- 1-time NBA scoring champion (2008)
- 7-time All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2-Time All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
- 5-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
- Naismith Prep Player of the Year (2003)
- 2-time USA Mr. Basketball (2002, 2003)
- 2-time Consensus National High School Player of the Year (2002, 2003)

Michael Jordan, at the same age (August 9, 1991):

- 1 NBA Championship (1991)
- 1 NBA Finals appearance (1991)
- 7 NBA Playoff appearances (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1 Olympic Gold Medal (1984)
- 1 Olympic appearance (1984)
- 2-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991)
- 1-time NBA Finals MVP (1991)
- 7-time NBA All-Star (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
- 5-time NBA scoring champion (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
- 5-time All-NBA First Team (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-Time All-NBA Second Team (1986)
- 4-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
- NCAA Champion (1982)
- Naismith College Player of the Year (1984)

Thoughts?

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

The more important comparison, LeBron vs. Jordan...

LeBron James, aged 28 years, 174 days (today):

- 2 NBA Championships (2012, 2013)
- 4 NBA Finals appearances (2007, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 9 NBA Playoff appearances (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2 Olympic Gold Medals (2008, 2012), 1 Olympic Bronze Medal (2004)
- 3 Olympic appearances (2004, 2008, 2012)
- 4-time NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013)
- 2-time NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013)
- 9-time NBA All-Star (2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (2004)
- 1-time NBA scoring champion (2008)
- 7-time All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2-Time All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
- 5-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
- Naismith Prep Player of the Year (2003)
- 2-time USA Mr. Basketball (2002, 2003)
- 2-time Consensus National High School Player of the Year (2002, 2003)

Michael Jordan, at the same age (August 9, 1991):

- 1 NBA Championship (1991)
- 1 NBA Finals appearance (1991)
- 7 NBA Playoff appearances (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1 Olympic Gold Medal (1984)
- 1 Olympic appearance (1984)
- 2-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991)
- 1-time NBA Finals MVP (1991)
- 7-time NBA All-Star (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
- 5-time NBA scoring champion (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
- 5-time All-NBA First Team (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-Time All-NBA Second Team (1986)
- 4-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
- NCAA Champion (1982)
- Naismith College Player of the Year (1984)

Thoughts?

Compare Jordan 31 to James 28. Jordan spent three years at college whilst James came straight outta high school.

 

[Damon_3388]

Compare Jordan 31 to James 28. Jordan spent three years at college whilst James came straight outta high school.

We shouldn't penalise LeBron because he was good enough to have the major impact on the NBA as a teenager. Most of Lebron's biggest achievements mentioned there have come after the age of 21 anyway, by which time Michael was in the NBA himself.

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

We shouldn't penalise LeBron because he was good enough to have the major impact on the NBA as a teenager. Most of Lebron's biggest achievements mentioned there have come after the age of 21 anyway, by which time Michael was in the NBA himself.

No, I mean, extend Jordan's rein to the age of 31, so that the discrepancy is even as both would've been in the NBA for the same number of seasons.

 

[Damon_3388]

No, I mean, extend Jordan's rein to the age of 31, so that the discrepancy is even as both would've been in the NBA for the same number of seasons.

Why can't we go the other way to even things up further, and take away their respective high school careers, Jordan's three-year college career, and the first three years of LeBron's NBA career?:

LeBron James, from 2006-2007 NBA season until today (aged 28 years, 174 days):

- 2 NBA Championships (2012, 2013)
- 4 NBA Finals appearances (2007, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 7 NBA Playoff appearances (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 2 Olympic Gold Medals (2008, 2012)
- 2 Olympic appearances (2008, 2012)
- 4-time NBA Most Valuable Player (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013)
- 2-time NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013)
- 7-time NBA All-Star (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 1-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2008)
- 1-time NBA scoring champion (2008)
- 6-time All-NBA First Team (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)
- 1-Time All-NBA Second Team (2007)
- 5-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013)

Michael Jordan, from 1984-85 NBA season until aged 28 years, 174 days (August 9, 1991):

- 1 NBA Championship (1991)
- 1 NBA Finals appearance (1991)
- 7 NBA Playoff appearances (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 2-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991)
- 1-time NBA Finals MVP (1991)
- 7-time NBA All-Star (1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
- 5-time NBA scoring champion (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
- 5-time All-NBA First Team (1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- 1-Time All-NBA Second Team (1986)
- 4-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988, 1989, 1990, 1991)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)

 

[OrdinaryJoel]

I'd be more inclined to not do that and just add in 3 years for Jordan as you're taking away the rookie/young years away from James yet you're disadvantaging Jordan by adding in those early days?

If anything it'd make more sense to see what they did in the same amount of seasons starting from the beginning. So start LeBron at 18 and Jordan at 21 all the way to LeBron 28, Jordan 31. 10 seasons (I think?)

 

[calyam]

I'd be more inclined to not do that and just add in 3 years for Jordan as you're taking away the rookie/young years away from James yet you're disadvantaging Jordan by adding in those early days?

If anything it'd make more sense to see what they did in the same amount of seasons starting from the beginning. So start LeBron at 18 and Jordan at 21 all the way to LeBron 28, Jordan 31. 10 seasons (I think?)

Jordan didn't have weaker early years because he entered the league when he was older. He finished second in Win Shares and PER in his first season so it is reasonable to use his first season in any comparison.

Based on the seasons in which they were predominantly 21 and 28:

Regular Season:
Jordan: 589G * 32.3 pts * 6.3 rbs * 6.0 ast * 2.7 stl * 29.8 PER * .275 WS/48
James: 606G * 28.5 pts * 7.5 rbs * 7.0 ast * 1.7 stl * 29.1 PER * .268 WS/48

Playoffs:
Jordan: 92G * 34.6 pts * 6.7 rbs * 6.8 asts * 2.4 stl * 29.5 PER * .255 WS/48
James: 138G * 28.1 pts * 8.6 rbs * 6.7 asts * 1.7 stl * 27.3 PER * .238 WS/48

On balance, Jordan is ahead although the difference is not that large. Of course with hindsight we know that Jordan career really picked up after that with a further four championships.

While I firmly believe that Jordan was the better player it is undeniable that James deserves to be compared with Jordan.