Koby Stevens

[swannies]

I just don't see it...

They have some honest triers that will grow into good players, but they just don't have the quality. not one of them will be a star.
Karma?

What do you mean Karma? Karma for their captain leaving and returning to Vic? Karma for winning a premiership and losing another? Karma for having player's who used drugs? I mean, karma for what?

 

[Mayneman]

Stevens, Masten, Shuey and Swift will form a formidable inside division when they are all in their early to mid 20's.

I was watching a replay on seven two from a long while back, Chapman, Enright, Kelly and even Milburn hadnt filled out yet you could see they had solid foundations.

The problem I see for West Coast, and I tend to think it's easily overcome is to find some outside players with a bit of dash and neat footskills.

I genuinly think Stevens and Swift will become A-grade AFL inside mids.

 

[swannies]

The problem I see for West Coast, and I tend to think it's easily overcome is to find some outside players with a bit of dash and neat footskills.

I genuinly think Stevens and Swift will become A-grade AFL inside mids.

I'm thinking Ninyette Mm! Although Lewis Stevenson could develop into this type, if he was played anywhere near the middle of the ground. We could always pick up Brad Hill?!

 

[estibador]

What do you mean Karma? Karma for their captain leaving and returning to Vic? Karma for winning a premiership and losing another? Karma for having player's who used drugs? I mean, karma for what?

Really if anyone deserves some bad karma in this regard it's Melbourne. Having the picks they tanked so hard for turning out to be duds would be some sweet karmic realignment (for Melbourne anyway, not for the kids they drafted).

 

[suntagonal]

Spot on. If we went after guys who like to run and carry more and kick long to a small more mobile forward line, then im sure id over look the problems Priddis has.

We went down a different and longer road in the draft, a road that will see Priddis replaced in the medium/ long term.

Watching Shuey, Swift and Shuey playing in the middle got me excited early on in the preseason. Come round 1 Masten and Shuey lined up in the forward line. Thats pretty much when the season went belly up.

Need two Shue's for two feet?

 

[the doc]

Stevens, Masten, Shuey and Swift will form a formidable inside division when they are all in their early to mid 20's.

I genuinly think Stevens and Swift will become A-grade AFL inside mids.

Do you think Swift will play an inside role? I gauged he was more suited to mid that rotated from HBF/wing. He has shown a capacity to move well in traffic.

Stevens, like Shuey is an unknown at this stage. On discussions with people in the club they seem to rate Shuey but the same review has not been afforded to Stevns at this early stage.

I suppose it will come down can one or two of the above become elite to make the most of NN, Kennedy and LeC, and can the defense hold up without Glass?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Do you think Swift will play an inside role? I gauged he was more suited to mid that rotated from HBF/wing. He has shown a capacity to move well in traffic.

Stevens, like Shuey is an unknown at this stage. On discussions with people in the club they seem to rate Shuey but the same review has not been afforded to Stevns at this early stage.

I suppose it will come down can one or two of the above become elite to make the most of NN, Kennedy and LeC, and can the defense hold up without Glass?

Swift is absolutly an inside midfielder when played within the square. He's undersized for his height, he has 6-7cm on some midfielders and gives away wieght to them. We will know how good he will be when he hits 88-90 kilos, he should then be able to play his natural game.

Our stocks of young midfielders is pretty bloody deep, how these kids will rotate through there in coming years is a mystery at the moment,

Im reasonably confident in Schofield and McKenzie while we still have Glass on our list for the next two years, but we do need to look for a KPD or two in the next two drafts. Jordan Jones is certainly a third tall defender but he's been a gun midfielder for Peel.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Stevens, Masten, Shuey and Swift will form a formidable inside division when they are all in their early to mid 20's.

I was watching a replay on seven two from a long while back, Chapman, Enright, Kelly and even Milburn hadnt filled out yet you could see they had solid foundations.

The problem I see for West Coast, and I tend to think it's easily overcome is to find some outside players with a bit of dash and neat footskill s.

I genuinly think Stevens and Swift will become A-grade AFL inside mids.

Certainly.

When you name Enright, Kelly, Milburn, Wojinski and Mackie. You realise how many good distributers Geelong have working out the back of packs, rebounding and streaming forward. Makes Life allot easier for Ablett, Chapman, Selwood ect.. to get space and use the ball well.

I think we need a new skills coach without a shadow of a doubt but i also think that with players like Sheppard, Stevenson and Strijk we have some neat ball users coming through.

For me this years draft will come down to the decision betwen taking another ball winner from the likes of Parker and Green, or going after a midfielder in a similar mold to Sheppard.

 

[the doc]

Swift is absolutly an inside midfielder when played within the square. He's undersized for his height, he has 6-7cm on some midfielders and gives away wieght to them. We will know how good he will be when he hits 88-90 kilos, he should then be able to play his natural game.

Our stocks of young midfielders is pretty bloody deep, how these kids will rotate through there in coming years is a mystery at the moment,

Im reasonably confident in Schofield and McKenzie while we still have Glass on our list for the next two years, but we do need to look for a KPD or two in the next two drafts. Jordan Jones is certainly a third tall defender but he's been a gun midfielder for Peel.

Fair enough re Swift, may be its the games I've seen that he has been more outside. Will he get to 90kgs? How heavy is the kid now?

Of all your younger midfielders who do you feel will become elite? Great having depth but you do need a couple of guns.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Fair enough re Swift, may be its the games I've seen that he has been more outside. Will he get to 90kgs? How heavy is the kid now?

Of all your younger midfielders who do you feel will become elite? Great having depth but you do need a couple of guns.

Personally I love Shuey, he is an inside midfielder with pace and great foot skills on both sides of his body. Is a hard worker who has something to prove and wants to succeed so badly which has inadvertently caused a number of his injuries to date, and there have been plenty.

Swift will take a little longer to develop, but has all the tools to become an elite player, his footskills are the only concern, not sure they will ever be elite but his awareness and ability in traffic is quality.

Masten has a lot of haters, but he will be our big possession inside workhorse. He has a number of deficiencies at the moment:

- Awareness needs to improve.
- Decision making is often 'first option' oriented.
- Not a known goal kicker.
- Field kicking is still very inconsistent but has a good technique and I'm confident this can improve considerably.

Ebert isn't overly strong in any area but pretty good in most. Unfortunately his kicking is absolutely horrible and his action needs to change IMO, cannot hit targets on the run. He is the one I have always had question marks over.

Stevens is coming off OP and his kicking is a little up and under and lacks penetration. Was highly rated early in his draft year before carrying the injury. Is another inside mid and is hard as nails, seems to have good vision and awareness in close and hopefully his kicking will improve as he gets his strength back.

Of these 5 three were junior captains, which means they have another good trait, leadership which is important for our young group going forward.

Really like what I've seen in Shepard so far, appears to be a 'winner' and is the best outside player of this group, with great acceleration and good foot skills.

I think Scott Selwood can be a good tagger/defensive forward option. He has the Selwood heart/willpower and is probably the most aggressive of the bunch. Has to work on his awareness and foot skills to hurt teams going the other way but can't see him succeeding in any other capacity.

Did I miss anyone, besides NicNat who I don't feel the need to comment on..

 

[worsfold]

Prankster

How about stevenson- has lovely foot skills and tends to make the correct decision given time

also JOJO was playing in the Midfield before his injury hes only 189cm where the best position for him or will he not make it

 

[anti_]

We really need some more outside players, hopefully ash smith could offer something to us on the wing in the future?

im confident that the likes of Masten, Swift, Shuey and Sheppard will become at least above average players. they've all been unlucky to be drafted into such a decimated side, the amount of senior players we've turned over is staggering.

notice back in 2004-2007, we were able to blood players like Rosa, Hurn, Priddis, Waters and Butler, whilst still winning games of football. they werent all playing at the same time, they were debuted sparingly and slotted into a side which would've won without them anyway.

compare that to current times where a young player comes in and he's surrounded by other players with similar experience + 5-6 senior players. add the fact that our older guys are struggling for form, makes for a dire situation where the young players have to perform at their optimum for us to be a chance to win.

i hope we click before the season ends and grab 3-4 wins. our overall development will grow exponentially as our young guys become more seasoned in the future.

 

[worsfold]

We really need some more outside players, hopefully ash smith could offer something to us on the wing in the future?

im confident that the likes of Masten, Swift, Shuey and Sheppard will become at least above average players. they've all been unlucky to be drafted into such a decimated side, the amount of senior players we've turned over is staggering.

notice back in 2004-2007, we were able to blood players like Rosa, Hurn, Priddis, Waters and Butler, whilst still winning games of football. they werent all playing at the same time, they were debuted sparingly and slotted into a side which would've won without them anyway.

compare that to current times where a young player comes in and he's surrounded by other players with similar experience + 5-6 senior players. add the fact that our older guys are struggling for form, makes for a dire situation where the young players have to perform at their optimum for us to be a chance to win.

i hope we click before the season ends and grab 3-4 wins. our overall development will grow exponentially as our young guys become more seasoned in the future.

Certainly noticed the difference without Selwood in the middle -we would of gone close to beating geelong if he wasn't injured we were switched on that day.

Your comments align with john Worsfolds were not slotting a young player into a senior side but into a young exeprience side.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Prankster

How about stevenson- has lovely foot skills and tends to make the correct decision given time

also JOJO was playing in the Midfield before his injury hes only 189cm where the best position for him or will he not make it

We have drafted a number of genuine midfielders in the past few years so we are going to be struggling if we look to play Stevenson and Jojo through there.

Stevenson has nice skills and a pretty good decision maker, like him off a HBF or possibly a wing. Pity Jojo isn't a few centimeters taller, but I like how he goes about it, is a good replacement for Bones.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

We have drafted a number of genuine midfielders in the past few years so we are going to be struggling if we look to play Stevenson and Jojo through there.

Stevenson has nice skills and a pretty good decision maker, like him off a HBF or possibly a wing. Pity Jojo isn't a few centimeters taller, but I like how he goes about it, is a good replacement for Bones.

Can't make a judgement on a guy who hasn't played a game of AFL. JoJo wins contests, you need that in every position.

Can play Back, Forward, Wing, Centre.