Koby Stevens.

[scottjr]

Third round pick, no problem with that...more likely a trade though could we interest you in Thomas and maybe throw in your 3rd pick?

 

[john turbull]

Who was that? I will know if your being honest.

The main reason he wont demand much rather than not doing anything on the AFL stage for 2 years but more so the fact he is uncontracted and wants to go home. Meaning eagles will likely be forced to accept unders or see him walk into PSD.

Who was that? I will know if your being honest.Terry stone

The main reason he wont demand much rather than not doing anything on the AFL stage for 2 years but more so the fact he is uncontracted and wants to go home. Meaning eagles will likely be forced to accept unders or see him walk into PSD.

 

[sTeeL]

Well at a minimum he should be worth what we paid (around 25). I just think the MC doesn't think there is a spot for him with Priddis doing the heavy grunt work at the moment. We got 28 for Brad Ebert and I would imagine Koby of a similar worth.

He wont walk into the PSD either as both GWS/GCS would jump at the chance to take him.

 

[scottjr]

Well at a minimum he should be worth what we paid (around 25). I just think the MC doesn't think there is a spot for him with Priddis doing the heavy grunt work at the moment. We got 28 for Brad Ebert and I would imagine Koby of a similar worth.

He wont walk into the PSD either as both GWS/GCS would jump at the chance to take him.

I genuinely like Koby...but he is not Brad Ebert ..Brad for mine should be Powers captain next year...I think Matt Thomas is fair value? 2 rd picks have serious currency this year ...more so than the pick we gave for Brad...I would put 3rd pick on table if pushed maybe

 

[sTeeL]

I genuinely like Kobe...but he is not Brad Ebert ...who for mine should be Powers captain next year...I think Matt Thomas is fair value? 2 rd picks have serious currency this year ...more so than the pick we gave for Brad...would put 3 rd on table if pushed maybe

Matt Thomas would be a waste and adds nothing to the team. Hes fine for a team like Port who have a lot of nothing players adding stuff all. What West Coast would be looking for, we probably cant get as replacement for Stevens(top quality mid). I cross my fingers we keep him (despite this frenzy he still hasnt said hes leaving), simply because hes our next best mid.

And once again, what you rate, is just wrong. The pick you gave for Brad was a joke, everyone knew West Coast got boned there except half the stupid Port supporters think you overpaid at the time. We will have less of an issue this time as we arent forced to deal with a single team.

 

[Masto]

I genuinely like Koby...but he is not Brad Ebert ..Brad for mine should be Powers captain next year...I think Matt Thomas is fair value? 2 rd picks have serious currency this year ...more so than the pick we gave for Brad...I would put 3rd pick on table if pushed maybe

The main difference is Ebert has nearly 100 games of AFL development while Koby has only played a handful of games. Koby has slightly better skills, similar pace, but Ebert shows better leadership and probably has a bigger tank.

 

[kaiserchief13]

What do WCE fans want for him?

Ryder or Zaharakis

 

[THE_GUN]

To the west coast supporters who believe they will get a 2nd round selection for stevens , The best example i can give you is this - who is better for the west coast ATM Josh Hill or Koby Stevens

 

[WCE_phil]

To the west coast supporters who believe they will get a 2nd round selection for stevens , The best example i can give you is this - who is better for the west coast ATM Josh Hill or Koby Stevens

Well hill was about an inch away from being delisted and most likely would have been if he wasnt traded. Thats the difference, you cant judge a players trade worth a year after the fact with them having a career best season afterwards. If hill was traded now we'd get a second round pick for him.

 

[Suma Magic]

Stevens and third round for second round?

 

[The Fact]

Well at a minimum he should be worth what we paid (around 25). I just think the MC doesn't think there is a spot for him with Priddis doing the heavy grunt work at the moment. We got 28 for Brad Ebert and I would imagine Koby of a similar worth.

He wont walk into the PSD either as both GWS/GCS would jump at the chance to take him.

None of this post makes sense, firstly just because he was drafted around 25 doesn't automatically mean he is worth that. He is going into his fourth year next year with only a handful of average games under his belt with no clear sign of him being able to break into the team, as proven this year by being constantly overlooked.

Secondarly why wouldn't Stevens want to go to gws or gold coast he isn't home sick he just wants game time so IMO there would be a good chance of him just walking out if need be.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Stevens and third round for second round?

Stevens and third rounder for our third rounder

I doubt we seek him, but that's probably about market

 

[Suma Magic]

Stevens and third rounder for our third rounder

I doubt we seek him, but that's probably about market

Fair enough.

There aren't any Eagles fans who want to lose him. I sure hope we don't. He's certainly worth more to us than a 5 pick upgrade in the third round. But if he wants to leave then we don't have much choice.

I'm not sure what the lowest pick we will use will be, maybe around 50.

 

[Not So Wermo]

Steven Morris is your man.

 

[THE_GUN]

Well hill was about an inch away from being delisted and most likely would have been if he wasnt traded. Thats the difference, you cant judge a players trade worth a year after the fact with them having a career best season afterwards. If hill was traded now we'd get a second round pick for him.

This is total Rubbish mate !! Josh Hill was on the Dogs list for 4 years & already played 66 games for them, He was a required player and a regular player until he informed them he wanted to leave to go home - how is a player thats played 66 games in 3 years an inch away from delistings? - Stevens would be alot closer than Hill was to delistment.

Also Josh Hill has played 22 games this year in a new team that he has just come to, Where stevens has been for the last 3 years and cant get a game - HE HAS PLAYED ALL 22 GAMES

Josh Hill 23 yo 88 afl games (22 this year)- wc gave up pick # 49
Koby Stevens 21 yo 11 games( Constantly injured) suspect kicking & His team doesnt really have a spot for him + He wants to leave to get a go ...... Pick 50+ would be more that reasonable

 

[Suma Magic]

Once you get to pick 55, all picks are worth the same to us. Nothing, because we won't use them.

If no team values him better than 55, or an upgrade of one of our picks to something better than 55, then we are essentially giving him away, McKinley-style.

 

[THE_GUN]

Once you get to pick 55, all picks are worth the same to us. Nothing, because we won't use them.

If no team values him better than 55, or an upgrade of one of our picks to something better than 55, then we are essentially giving him away, McKinley-style.

Sometimes thats what happens, Mitch morton to sydney, Josh hill to west coast, Maric to richmond , Shaw to sydney etc etc etc

But Clubs wont over pay for a player thats injured alot and not best 22 for their team, Have a look at all the players Geelong have let go over the years. as you said a pick upgrade would be more suitable but will only be a slight upgrade eg. Tigers 2nd for WC 2nd or similar

 

[Suma Magic]

Sometimes thats what happens, Mitch morton to sydney, Josh hill to west coast, Maric to richmond , Shaw to sydney etc etc etc

But Clubs wont over pay for a player thats injured alot and not best 22 for their team, Have a look at all the players Geelong have let go over the years. as you said a pick upgrade would be more suitable but will only be a slight upgrade eg. Tigers 2nd for WC 2nd or similar

I agree. Hopefully he stays or we can get an upgrade or something.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

This is total Rubbish mate !! Josh Hill was on the Dogs list for 4 years & already played 66 games for them, He was a required player and a regular player until he informed them he wanted to leave to go home - how is a player thats played 66 games in 3 years an inch away from delistings? - Stevens would be alot closer than Hill was to delistment.

Actually he'd managed 66 games in 5 years, not 3. In 2011 he played just 12 games for 5 goals, wasn't a regular player and seemed in a real funk. Stevens hasn't gotten a lot of opportunities but he's well regarded by the club and the leading candidate for the next opening in an inside mid position - this has been stated a few times in this thread but seems to have escaped you.

Also Josh Hill has played 22 games this year in a new team that he has just come to, Where stevens has been for the last 3 years and cant get a game - HE HAS PLAYED ALL 22 GAMES

Firstly, Hill was lucky enough to play in a position where there was a pressing need due to injuries to LeCras and Nicoski. As I've said, Stevens hasn't got chances because Kerr, Priddis, Shuey, Selwood etc have played nearly every game.

Secondly, I don't see how Hill making the most of his second chance is at all relevant to what we traded for him when you're saying that Stevens is essentially worthless. If he ends up at Richmond, or Essendon or Carlton or GWS, plays all 22 games and finishes top 10 in their B&F, then doesn't that show he's valuable?

Josh Hill 23 yo 88 afl games (22 this year)- wc gave up pick # 49
Koby Stevens 21 yo 11 games( Constantly injured) suspect kicking & His team doesnt really have a spot for him + He wants to leave to get a go ...... Pick 50+ would be more that reasonable

He's not constantly injured. He had OP when drafted but seems to have been resolved. He's had a couple of impact injuries this year at WAFL level but nothing that would cause any concern. Again, that's been pointed out earlier but has gone past you.

A pick somewhere in the 30s would be reasonable, or some sort of pick upgrade. A pick in the 50s would be a ripoff and would be worthless to us (as pick 49 last year would have been, by the way, because we weren't going to use it). Fortunately the list people at AFL clubs have a far better grasp of all of this than you, or indeed me.

 

[yaco55]

Once you get to pick 55, all picks are worth the same to us. Nothing, because we won't use them.

If no team values him better than 55, or an upgrade of one of our picks to something better than 55, then we are essentially giving him away, McKinley-style.

The old straw man argument - We won't go past pick 50 - But the draft always goes down to 90.

 

[yaco55]

Actually he'd managed 66 games in 5 years, not 3. In 2011 he played just 12 games for 5 goals, wasn't a regular player and seemed in a real funk. Stevens hasn't gotten a lot of opportunities but he's well regarded by the club and the leading candidate for the next opening in an inside mid position - this has been stated a few times in this thread but seems to have escaped you.



Firstly, Hill was lucky enough to play in a position where there was a pressing need due to injuries to LeCras and Nicoski. As I've said, Stevens hasn't got chances because Kerr, Priddis, Shuey, Selwood etc have played nearly every game.

Secondly, I don't see how Hill making the most of his second chance is at all relevant to what we traded for him when you're saying that Stevens is essentially worthless. If he ends up at Richmond, or Essendon or Carlton or GWS, plays all 22 games and finishes top 10 in their B&F, then doesn't that show he's valuable?



He's not constantly injured. He had OP when drafted but seems to have been resolved. He's had a couple of impact injuries this year at WAFL level but nothing that would cause any concern. Again, that's been pointed out earlier but has gone past you.

A pick somewhere in the 30s would be reasonable, or some sort of pick upgrade. A pick in the 50s would be a ripoff and would be worthless to us (as pick 49 last year would have been, by the way, because we weren't going to use it). Fortunately the list people at AFL clubs have a far better grasp of all of this than you, or indeed me.

Do you realise that your pick will be between 52-55 - And clubs must make 3 changes each year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The old straw man argument - We won't go past pick 50 - But the draft always goes down to 90.

Doesn't usually involve us though. Our live picks finished at 28 last year, 29 the year before, 23 in 2009, 52 in 2008, 22 in 2007...

 

[new breed]

Stevens was very good today , as the commentators said is too good for WAFL level , WCE played Swift in front of Stevens and probably the reason he is going .

 

[Scham]

He was great again today and WC are generally very good at holding on to anyone with talent, and he's definitely got some. I doubt he'll go but if he did, a pick somewhere in the thirties for him would be fair IMO.

 

[THE_GUN]

FiveStrings - Doesnt matter how you dress it up mate , I do rate stevens and wouldnt mind him at the tigers (wont happen) But the guy just doesnt get a chance at the west coast, You mention he is behind 5-6 players westcoast finished 5th this year.

He wont get a game at any club above westcoast on the ladder & tbh he probably wont get a game at alot of other teams & clubs will not give up a pick in the 2nd round for stevens - That is what we are talking about after all , Are we not.

I mentioned in a previous post that i see his value between 40-55 at best, With the arguments you are putting up
What pick would you want westcoast to give up for stevens if he was on another teams list and was required by wc ?