Koutoufides or Voss?

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Nov 7, 2000
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I was having an argument with a Carlton supporter the other day, about who we'd rather have in a team, M.Voss or A.Koutoufides.

Considering we both support their repsective sides, you could say that the arugment was totally subjective. Well, at least for the Carlton ("onlyteamintheleaguementality") supporter (he even told me to support a different team!).

My argument was that Voss was a natural footballer, who ultimately made better decisions out on the ground, rallied his team-mates better, and also plays a lot harder at the ball than Kouta.

One point that was raised by this Carlton buffoon was that Koutoufides can play anywhere (ie: ruck, full back etc.) and that Voss, apparently cannot.

My answer to this was, why the hell would you put Koutoufides in the ruck in the first place? Any decent ruckman (J.White, M.Allan, etc.) would blow him away. To say "Kouta would kill them around the ground", well, so would Voss. And why the hell would you put Koutoufides at FB if he is such a good player? In any regard, he might be capable of playing full back, but he would hardly rate as a choice ahead of 10 or so other FB's in the league (ie: Leppitsch, Fletcher, Wellman, Martyn etc. etc.).

This is the same if he were played at CHF, FF, CHB, RR etc. etc. He (Kouta) is capable of doing extremely well in those positions, but not up to the standard of the corresponding 'best' player for that particular position. I know I would still choose W.Carey at CHF ahead of Koutoufides.

Fair enough, Kouta is an extremely well rounded player - one who can play a starring role in many positions. But he is not 'the #1 player' of any particular position.

Voss on the other hand, has proven to be the #1 centreman in the leauge (or at least on a par with Ratten, West, etc.) and is capable of taking any opponent in that position, and beating them.

Similarly, the seemingly natural way that Voss approached his football, to me, is far more appealling that just going for athletic ability. Voss is a true leader, plays hard at the ball (harder than Kouta), and has always had a football brain. You can't beat natural talent.

The response according to this Carlton nut, was that Voss had "done nothing since his Brownlow win in '96" (twit!). Well, check the 2000 Brisbane Lions B&F (the club finished 5th), and consider the fact that since '96 Voss has overcome a knee reconstruction, a severely broken leg, a partially severed finger, numerous soft tissue injuries, as well as an ankle reconstruction.

In any regard, what has Koutoufides done? Sure, he had a great 2000, and was a top player in 95. In between those times, he only managed one off performances, and culminated to be one of the most overrated players in the competition (some weeks even struggling to register a touch).

So, despite the fact that Koutoufides is a brilliant player who had a great 2000, I still choose Voss.

What does everyone else reckon?
 
Voss every time for mine. He has shown a ton more consistency and is every bit as capable of winning the game for you. Granted Kouta has the flexibility to play in most positions on the ground but it wasn't that long ago he was sulking in most of them because Parkin wasn't playing him on the wing.

His 2000 year was good but was it as great as everyone made out? Let's not forget he didn't even win his own clubs B&F. One swallow doesn't make a summer, let alone a few swallows since 1995.
 
Voss for consistancy. Kouta for brilliance.
Voss year after year. Kouta 1999 the best, ordinary the rest. (I'm a poet and don't know it)
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After seeing what a fit , mature Kouta did to Carey at home this year, ( on top of his efforts against the Bombers in Prelim99) he's the match winner. Voss has NOT shown anything special in finals ( although he has been injured - another point against him ), Kouta has.

Need to win a game against the TOP teams ? Send for Kouta and let the others try and match him up !
 
definately Kouta... and not just because i'm a carlton supporter coz he is a great player and i think he would've got the brownlow if bloddy essendon hadn't injured him (i also think we could've won that game!!
 
VOSSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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its simple
Voss
why??
because the only time Koudafides ever plays
good is when hes contract is up for
renagotiation, so blues get set for 5 years
of underperforming
 
Well, guess what? I choose Kouta and it's a mute point because he won't be playing for anyone else so just sit back and watch. When he comes out and creams your respective sides, take a second or two to think about your comments. Some people can't be fair minded and objective at all.

Vossy, you're a champ too. Welcome at OO anytime.

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mens sana in corpore sano - a sound mind in a sound body
 
They are both champions. The Carlton fans are going to pick Kouta and the Lions fans are going to pick Voss. You will never get both to agree. But you may not have to worry because from what I was told last night, Kouta's injury is worse than thought and he may still be out for most of next season.
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voss, coz of his consistancy.
if kouta played the way he did on good day EVERY day, it maaaayyyy be a diff. story, but he doesn't. voss playes well all the time, so go voss!
 
Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's:
When he comes out and creams your respective sides, take a second or two to think about your comments. Some people can't be fair minded and objective at all.


Umm, I doubt that is going to happen soon (or ever has). The reason why Carlton belted a number of opposition sides in 2000 was because they had a brilliant TEAM, not just a brilliant Kouta.

If Kouta were playing with Collingwood, he would hardly do as good as N.Buckley, would he? He is not in that class. Guys like Voss and Buckley will play top footy in any side. Koutoufides is the type of player who can be brilliant, but he has to have the team to do it in.

Look at Carlton though. You have stars on every line - he has it easy. People talk about 1995 and 2000, and say how Kouta has obsolutely blitzed all comers. Well, so did Carlton as a whole.

If Voss were playing in the worst side imaginable, he would still be every bit as good. I doubt anyone would argue against that. He basically dictates the play of the Brisbane Lions for starters. Koutoufides on the other hand, has guys like Bradley, Camporeale, Ratten, McKay (and about 10 or so other top players) all doing a truck-load of work on their own.

VOSS BY A MILE!!!
 

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