Krakustar
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corporal said:
You may have but Cambo, Chaff, Gas, Hall, Tivva, Kellaway and about thirty others didn't. Lets examine their wage.
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You may have but Cambo, Chaff, Gas, Hall, Tivva, Kellaway and about thirty others didn't. Lets examine their wage.
Big Punt said:
It may be interesting now that Jimmy is out of the Big House and has moved to Melbourne. I saw Jimmy on TFS last year. He still looks as hard and nails and fit enough to still get a game.
Now that he is here, he may be in a position to be able to show Andrew what is required and how it is done.
Hope you are only talking about the footy fieldCJH said:
Lets do the maths here
$6.4 million TPP, of which we are required to pay 92.5% minimum = $5.92 million
Of our list of 38 players, we have 14 kids in their first or 2nd year on standard minimum wage contracts of around $45k, plus Mark Graham who is on minimum wage from the PSD (15).
15 x $45k = $675k
$5,920,000 - $675,000 = $5,245,000
38 - 15 = 28
$5,245,000 / 28 = $187,000 average player salary
I don't know where this $250k figure has come from, but there's no way that's his base salary. The numbers thrown around always vary as there are match payments, bonuses for X amounts of games played, plus other bonuses for B&F results.
Krak's base salary is most likely around that average mark and is probably required to get us to the TPP. By the time his 3 year contract is up he's either going to be good enough to validate a renewed contract at that same amount or if not I imagine he'd be delisted or traded.
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$6.4 million TPP, of which we are required to pay 92.5% minimum = $5.92 million
Of our list of 38 players, we have 14 kids in their first or 2nd year on standard minimum wage contracts of around $45k, plus Mark Graham who is on minimum wage from the PSD (15).
15 x $45k = $675k
$5,920,000 - $675,000 = $5,245,000
38 - 15 = 28
$5,245,000 / 28 = $187,000 average player salary
I don't know where this $250k figure has come from, but there's no way that's his base salary. The numbers thrown around always vary as there are match payments, bonuses for X amounts of games played, plus other bonuses for B&F results.
Krak's base salary is most likely around that average mark and is probably required to get us to the TPP. By the time his 3 year contract is up he's either going to be good enough to validate a renewed contract at that same amount or if not I imagine he'd be delisted or traded.
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i simply cant believe the new heights this krakouer bashing caper has scaled to and then you get the classic fence sitting line ...
"i hope he proves me wrong" just to cover your ass in case he does come good.
Oh and what about the " im not a krakouer basher BUT..." style intro!!!
now heres a whole new topic dedicated to this new fad FFS people, kraks may not have the koutamonga bod that you all think he should have but nor did KB and yes its all hearsay as to what his salary really is, no-one on this site REALLY knows.
if theres to be a new culture at this club i say we all have a responsibility to change as well, i'd like to propose that we get behind every player that takes the field in tiger jumper but somehow that seems like a forerign task for your average tiger supporter, so keep talkin it up guys n gals, because everyone knows thats all we're good at and you know thats all your good for.
"i hope he proves me wrong" just to cover your ass in case he does come good.
Oh and what about the " im not a krakouer basher BUT..." style intro!!!
now heres a whole new topic dedicated to this new fad FFS people, kraks may not have the koutamonga bod that you all think he should have but nor did KB and yes its all hearsay as to what his salary really is, no-one on this site REALLY knows.
if theres to be a new culture at this club i say we all have a responsibility to change as well, i'd like to propose that we get behind every player that takes the field in tiger jumper but somehow that seems like a forerign task for your average tiger supporter, so keep talkin it up guys n gals, because everyone knows thats all we're good at and you know thats all your good for.
blxx said:i simply cant believe the new heights this krakouer bashing caper has scaled to and then you get the classic fence sitting line ...
"i hope he proves me wrong" just to cover your ass in case he does come good.
Oh and what about the " im not a krakouer basher BUT..." style intro!!!
now heres a whole new topic dedicated to this new fad FFS people, kraks may not have the koutamonga bod that you all think he should have but nor did KB and yes its all hearsay as to what his salary really is, no-one on this site REALLY knows.
if theres to be a new culture at this club i say we all have a responsibility to change as well, i'd like to propose that we get behind every player that takes the field in tiger jumper but somehow that seems like a forerign task for your average tiger supporter, so keep talkin it up guys n gals, because everyone knows thats all we're good at and you know thats all your good for.
good to c some true tiger supporters still exist without all the vitirol thrown in 4 good measure...wonder if we c the chicken manure episode this year, got a funny feeling we do...
i reckon miller is bashing his head against a brick wall here...trying to change our culture he has 2 chances buckleys and none.....
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back of on son of jimmy you guys. support our young kids. Its the old duds we can occassionally question. hes lovely bloke young krak. loves the club and what it has done for him.
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someone said kraqouer was fat lol. Yeah he's as fat as a fukcen ant I say.
cairo tiger said:
He can't use the young-bloke excuse much longer. This is his 5th year.
I'm still waiting for him to explode like a real crumbing forward should............
I tell you what I want to see Kraka start doing and thats take a damn shot on goal instead of handpassing it off most of the time, if he is as brilliant and some of you think then I dont think I'm asking for too much?
FIRE UP KRAK !!!!!
I tell you what I want to see Kraka start doing and thats take a damn shot on goal instead of handpassing it off most of the time, if he is as brilliant and some of you think then I dont think I'm asking for too much?
FIRE UP KRAK !!!!!
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I'm not trying to bash him, I'm simply stating I think he is getting paid an awful lot considering he has done nothing to this point in his career (and appears to have put no muscle on) while Tambling is looking to be an instant performer.
Krak when playing in the midfield doesn't consistently get enough of the ball to warrant the cash that he's getting and he doesn't kick bags of goals regularly enough to earn the money when playing as a crumbing forward. His tackling and defensive work is good though, was top 10 in the league last year for tackles.
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a) can anyone actually confirm he is on $250,00 per year? i can't find this info anywhere.
b) if he is, which other players from our list and other lists are also on this money, to compare if this is actually a high amount in the market
c) can't believe ppl are bagging him. for one of the smallest guys on our lists he is one of the best tacklers. he always drags his player down with his tackles, i can't remember not seeing him chase his player. knows how to find the ball, not just how to chase it like a sheep dog.
milne is slight, matera is slight. only difference is neither of those are capable of playing in the midfield and holding their own, like krak does.
a i believe considering with what draft choice we chose him with, he has developed far better than most. he was a top performer last year in our squad, outplayed most of the other, more senior fella's - and was certainly more consistent than 90% of the team. gonna start bagging your own, then their are plenty of more obvious choices than krak
b) if he is, which other players from our list and other lists are also on this money, to compare if this is actually a high amount in the market
c) can't believe ppl are bagging him. for one of the smallest guys on our lists he is one of the best tacklers. he always drags his player down with his tackles, i can't remember not seeing him chase his player. knows how to find the ball, not just how to chase it like a sheep dog.
milne is slight, matera is slight. only difference is neither of those are capable of playing in the midfield and holding their own, like krak does.
a i believe considering with what draft choice we chose him with, he has developed far better than most. he was a top performer last year in our squad, outplayed most of the other, more senior fella's - and was certainly more consistent than 90% of the team. gonna start bagging your own, then their are plenty of more obvious choices than krak
astro_toby said:
good post mate....i hope it wont b lost on the few that actually understand the concept of supporting your team thru the good and the bad times...
always looking for scapegoats, krak's turn this year.....interesting considering that his contract was up so the chance was there to trade, i have it on good authority that wallet DID not want to lose the kid....as he believes that he is an important part of the team makeup....
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hotdogandsauce said:
Thanks mate
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hotdogandsauce said:
I'm not trying to making him the ********ing scape goat, This thread was about I personally didn't think he had earnt a quarter of a million dollar a year for what he had done in the game thus far (considering the huge money we have spent developing him since he was 17). Saying he earns that money because he is a good tackler is crazy.
Just because he can bring someone down in a tackle doesn't mean he shouldn't be in the gym 24/7 putting on some bulk so he can mix it in the midfield. I don't know if that is a work ethic issue or what.
He probably will step up to the next level because the kid has some go about him however it doesn't mean I agree with his contract. Also now that Wallace is coach Krak isn't going to get the free ride that he used to get with his mentor Frawley. Hopefully this might give him a kick in the arse and spur him to greater heights.
Astro Toby, you seem to spend all of your time on this board finding excuse's to bag Richmond supporters and constantly rehash troll generalisations about how we eat our own etc.. . Once again if we are such a disgracefull bunch then stick to optus oval with its "civilised people".
I'm the same corporal, I like Krak and think he is a good player, but not yet a $250k/year player. I just want to make sure the club isn't throwing money at players the way we have in the past, only to have some of those players never live up to the level of the contract they have been given. I understand that young players will always be given contracts on the basis that they are going to improve, but we need to make sure that the contract is not too far in front of the level they are currently at. I hope there are a few performance based conditions to contracts like Kraks so that if they improve, they deserve every cent they get, and if they don't then the club isn't left paying over the top for players.
Again, I like Krak, and I hope that by the end of this deal we are left feeling like we have had an absolute bargain on our hands.
Again, I like Krak, and I hope that by the end of this deal we are left feeling like we have had an absolute bargain on our hands.
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At the moment, he is handy. No more, no less. Seen him do a few fladhy things, and his 1%'ers are an asset to us. Really want him to step up and take a game or two by the scruff, and contribute a bit more with higher effective disposals each match. Think he has the potential to be as solid as say a Matthew Lappin or Luke Power, but just needs to release it.
Agreed with whoever stated that we should be looking at our old brigade to be rid of before our guys that haven't been completely ruined.
Agreed with whoever stated that we should be looking at our old brigade to be rid of before our guys that haven't been completely ruined.
Krakustar said:
And Hyde should be the fifth highest paid player and Bowden the highest paid?
You don't reward people for one year's work (well at Richmond we do, but we shouldn't)
12 touches a game, 20 odd goals and a handful of tackles might cut the mustard at Richmond for 250k but I don't think many other clubs would cop that.
astro_toby said:
Great tackler, no doubt, but knows how to find the ball? C'mon, that's one area where he sux bigtime.
The other difference is that Matera and Milne can both kick twice as many goals as Krakouer can.
Krakouer was ok last year, and that was better than 85% of the list. But let's make realistic assesments and not just club level assessments. He was only ok.
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JohnF said:
ok lets go through this again
a) does anyone have any PROOF he is on this money> and if anyone says they read it on the Hearld Sun, or heard a caller on SEN say it - can we please just close this thread now? as i would believe something Charles Manson said over the either of those
b) what other players on our lists recieve this much money and on other lists - so to compare if this is a high amount for someone of his level. david bourke was on $220,000 when he was still at richmond, and krak is 300times better than he was - i'd prefer Krak to be on this sort of salary than a chaffey, tivendale, hilton, hartigan, knobel, morrison, Hall, Graham, Hyde, and all the other players simialr age and below to Krak. Krakour is a good clubman, a good role model(unlike many footy players), and a dedicated member of our lists. i've never had a reason to doubt his courage nor passion and IMO he was one of the only players last year who actually stood up when everyone else laid down. That sort of effort and loyalty and pride in such a low time for the club - deserves to be rewarded - and remembered by all.
does Newman recieve a similar amount? as i would rate those two of similar status?
C)Krak plays as a rotating midfielder - he would be lucky to play more than a quarter and a half - to a half - a match in the middle. this is of course depending on injuries
d) he can read play incredibly well and hence why he can find the ball. this has been a well documented analyise on his game. his ability to read the play and feed off the spillages. to know where a ball is going to fall out of the pack - much like his father and uncle. he is also better than average in close as he has good reflexes. yes he doesnt kick as many goals as a matera - but matera plays as almost the primary forward at West Coast. whereas at richmond he only feeds off Richo's, Staffords, Ottos / simmonds spillages. And he definitely does not get the same level of inside 50's that they and stkilda produce each game.
i doubt they would have over paid Krak
You rate Krak on Newmans level?
I rate Newman far higher.
I rate Newman far higher.
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To be fair newman could be slightly higher, but i don't see much seperating them. Newman played very well on friday, but last year he didn't make much on an impact. they are though different sort of players in a sense. newman a midi / backman - krak forward / midi
Thing is that is important with Krak is he can turn a match and do the things which will win you a game. he is creative and creative players who can actually pull off the things they are trying to create - aren't easy to find. especially consistent ones, which i do believe Krak is. He may not do the magic every single week, but he puts in his bit AT LEAST every single week.
Newman is a consistent, hard working, teamworking, tough player. I rate him.
But creative and a game turner he isn't. Thats not disrespect to him, he just isn't that sort of player
its hard to in a sense rate these two players because of that factor, but in terms of payments - i dont see alot seperating them - despite their different roles in the team
Thing is that is important with Krak is he can turn a match and do the things which will win you a game. he is creative and creative players who can actually pull off the things they are trying to create - aren't easy to find. especially consistent ones, which i do believe Krak is. He may not do the magic every single week, but he puts in his bit AT LEAST every single week.
Newman is a consistent, hard working, teamworking, tough player. I rate him.
But creative and a game turner he isn't. Thats not disrespect to him, he just isn't that sort of player
its hard to in a sense rate these two players because of that factor, but in terms of payments - i dont see alot seperating them - despite their different roles in the team