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thylacine60
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you still said tautology..........I know what you guys do to ITKs, so not my implication
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Beautifully said. And how did each of those work out? Even Buckley took 10 years to reach any semblance of success.
You seem to assert it's best to exemplify the difference between those roles and the one Kruez is filling. But the better question is whether he is the right ruck coach for the club....
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just a question, has kreuz ruck-coached a single day yet?
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I'm not confident you're asking the right question, with all due respect. I would have thought it was self evident he has no professional coaching experience and I contrast that against the many coaches that do. Surely our remit should be the best coach possible for our current players, not the most recent ruck player who has retired from the club (and please don't misinterpret my posts - I loved watching Kruez and loved his dedication to our club, but I don't think that is the right criteria for a ruck coach).
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Warnock was an elite tap Ruckman, he clearly should've got the role over Kreuze...
Dead set, some people.
Stoked to hear this news.
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Dead set, some people.
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What would that criteria be? Clever articulation of perspective does not constitute an imperial, evidence based conclusion.
Evidence:
* played a significant career at the highest level against the best (189 over 12 years)
* time on the sideline afforded him the opportunity to grow and learn
* on ball capacity affords the opportunity to teach around the ground, contested style (averaged almost 7 contested possessions p/g)
* intelligent man who limits communication only to that which needs voicing.
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I would have thought there is a simple answer to that. Generally, experience in a role gives rise to quality. Experience in a related but incomparable role (e.g. Player vs coach) doesn't necessarily. I'm not sure how you can suggest Kruez will be a quality ruck coach with no objective evidence.
I absolutely love Kreuzer & Simmo, but like you, I do think both smack of "jobs for the boys" type appointments. Also like you, I think they'd be better off in another environment for a couple of years to expand their knowledge-base & skillsets and then return as more rounded coaching appointments. That way they come back with new ideas and elements to both challenge Teague mentally to think outside the square and refine/modify/improve/expand the game plan.
As noted by the replies you've received to your post, views outside of general "group think" are generally not welcome here, which is a pity because if people encompassed a wider scope of thought it might lead to better discussion.
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But there is objective evidence, his playing career and personality. He is not taking up a head coaching role, just supporting his knowledge base. Learning also gives rise to growth, often from mistakes. Iām sure he, like all of us, will make some mistakes and learn from them. By your rationale, no new, untried coach should ever be taken on because there is no evidence of their capacity to succeed!
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What a load of rubbish. I object to the sentiment that he shouldnāt get a gig because there is no evidence he will succeed. We are talking about two development roles, not feet to the fire roles.
Please show me where I made any such inference to any evidence he may or may not succeed.
Who was this years ruck guy, Capuano??
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Not you, the other poster, Blues of 77.
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you mean discussions where posters don't label a group of similar minded contributors as 'group think'? those type of better discussions?
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Kreuzer in the few times I was lucky to meet him, was quietly spoken, but honestly had one of the sharpest, switched on minds of any player I have ever hear speak.
And yes, it can me argued to some degree that this appointment is nostalgic, but let's me honest, he is too good to be lost to the AFL system, and it would make me puke to see him in non Navy Blue colours.
And yes, it can me argued to some degree that this appointment is nostalgic, but let's me honest, he is too good to be lost to the AFL system, and it would make me puke to see him in non Navy Blue colours.
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I 100% agree with this post, my last dog was named Kruz, so no lack of love, but wouldn't most his knowledge already be know to TDK and Pitto.Kreuzer in the few times I was lucky to meet him, was quietly spoken, but honestly had one of the sharpest, switched on minds of any player I have ever hear speak.
And yes, it can me argued to some degree that this appointment is nostalgic, but let's me honest, he is too good to be lost to the AFL system, and it would make me puke to see him in non Navy Blue colours.
Wouldn't mind the best available ruck coach now and Kruezer comes back in a few years with more to teach.
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So if I'm reading it correctly no-one who has never coached before should be able to coach because they have shown no success at something that they have never done before?
Be interested to have someone name who they consider to be the best ruck coaches going round off the top of their heads. Not to many oll off the tongue.
Great appointment. The bloke is well respected by those he will be coaching and appears to be keen to embrace and develop the role.
Be interested to have someone name who they consider to be the best ruck coaches going round off the top of their heads. Not to many oll off the tongue.
Great appointment. The bloke is well respected by those he will be coaching and appears to be keen to embrace and develop the role.
Ever watched Kreuzer train? He's not a loser......anything but a loser.
Just because Kreuzer wasn't he best tap ruckman himself, doesn't mean to say he doesn't know what's required.
No need to worry. This is a good appointment by the club.
In a word. YES. Fulfilled the role, unofficially last season after Covid coaching cuts, and don't ask me to find the couple of articles that alluded to it.
Nothing in the press release, but I would assume that it is a part time role. Cap cuts would not permit a full time dedicated ruck coach role, would
be surprised if he is not "dabbling" in some kind of earthworks role alluded to in his preparation for post footy career. Was suggested he may go in to a mining position, but Covid travel questions may be making this impractical with a young family.
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Hamish McIntosh was our previous specialist ruck coach appointed in Dec 2018.
Played 126 AFL games and had never coached at an AFL club.
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