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Kudos on the Brownlow Thread
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Shows how much of a joke the Brownlow is. I wouldn’t have in the top 10 players in the league...he’s not even the best players at his club.
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Insane consistency, jeesh! I can't think of many, if any modern day player that has been so consistently elite and durable
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Are you serious?
Andrews and Zorko for me, but I recognise it’s line ball. Umps have their favourites, Collingwood are always poorly treated...Neale for me isn’t as impactful as he could be connecting with forwards. When do defenders, rucks or forwards ever win?
Hence my original comment that the Brownlow is a joke.
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Zorko has been pretty bloody average this year.
The Brownlow is a bit of a joke because it's purely a midfielders award, but Neale has been the best mid this year
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wow, so much wrong
If Neale came to Collingwood he would be our best player, comfortably.
Yes I think the Brownlow is a joke, in recent times Bucks and Swan were robbed...prior to that from a Collingwood perspective I’m not sure but given how few Brownlows we have as a club, I’d say it’s not a credible system.
it’s an award for midfielders, some players poll well every year.Moore and Andrews, Natinui had better years than Neale.. were they close? I suspect not...
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Mids poll more because they win the ball more than most and hence the votes. Umpires see who has most influence, and just happens to be mids.
Whether we like it or not.
Whether we like it or not.
Better than Grundy and Moore? I see him on par with Adam’s. ever since Buckley lost to Woewodin and Swan to Judd, I’ve had no interest, you may as well call it the umpires midfield pet award...
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Neale is not the best player in the AFL, not even top 5. But he is a very, very good player. I think in terms of matchday influence, you gotta have the mid/fwds whose stats aren't fully reflected in disposals.
In terms of the order of mids I'd pick for a hypothetical finals game this year
1. Dustin Martin
2. Nathan Fyfe
3. Christian Petracca
4. Lachie Neale
5. Marcus Bontempelli
Neale polls really well because:
(1) Brisbane came top 4, unless you're truly a standout, the 3 votes go to a midfielder on the winning team as a default
(2) Noone is there to contest votes. Zorko is too inconsistent. Lyons is the same player but less productive.
(3) He's an inside/clearance midfielder
Pendlebury absolutely deserved 1 if not 2 Brownlow in his career (2010-2013), but he didn't satisfy factor (2). Beams and Swan consistently polled 15-25 votes in these seasons, and Pendles still ended up in the mid-high 20s. This year, the 2nd best player at the Lions was Lyons on 9 VOTES.
In terms of the order of mids I'd pick for a hypothetical finals game this year
1. Dustin Martin
2. Nathan Fyfe
3. Christian Petracca
4. Lachie Neale
5. Marcus Bontempelli
Neale polls really well because:
(1) Brisbane came top 4, unless you're truly a standout, the 3 votes go to a midfielder on the winning team as a default
(2) Noone is there to contest votes. Zorko is too inconsistent. Lyons is the same player but less productive.
(3) He's an inside/clearance midfielder
Pendlebury absolutely deserved 1 if not 2 Brownlow in his career (2010-2013), but he didn't satisfy factor (2). Beams and Swan consistently polled 15-25 votes in these seasons, and Pendles still ended up in the mid-high 20s. This year, the 2nd best player at the Lions was Lyons on 9 VOTES.
What you talkin bout Willis?
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Of course.
Yes, better than Grundy and Moore.
Neale is the #1 midfielder in the competition right now, no question.
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It really isn't even a question. Its bizarre anyone is questioning the validity. Prob has been since early part of this year.
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I just did a quick cut n paste of neale's and adams' stats for the year.... unfortunately the columns dont align up too well.....as neale won the brownlow and adams hardly got a vote, it should be easy to pick who is who...
Totals | 245 | 63 | 186 | 431 | 09 | 02 | 103 | 19 | 63 | 99 | 64 | 29 | 23 | 204 | 231 | 4 | 4 | 26 | 3 | 5 |
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| Totals | 239 | 75 | 248 | 487 | 12 | 13 | 056 | 27 | 77 | 95 | 51 | 19 | 12 | 223 | 257 | 4 | 8 | 13 | 4 | 1 |
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What does the thread title mean, kudos?
You're unhappy about no one starting a thread?
Should've not bitched & just started the ****ing thread earlier yourself!
sr36
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He's awesome. He's like Joel Selwood at his peak - without the dislikability. Can't believe anyone wouldn't rate him in the top half a dozen in the game.
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And he's what, 26?
He was good last year, but has taken his game to a new level this year, in a year where some players have dropped off.
Neale wins in every stat except tackles, and kicks more goals.
Neale also has considerably more inside 50's and score involvements, a much better disposal efficiency, much less clangers and much more metres gained per match.
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sr36
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They do get a free ride in that respect, but the reality is that generally the best players play midfield (Danger and Dusty aside) and they are involved in more contests than any other position, so they have more impact on the result of games.
