Test Kuhnemann reported for suspect action

[Bletch]

They didn't go public, but somehow, we know about it.

 

[PhatBoy]

They didn't go public, but somehow, we know about it.

Yes, Bharat Sundaresan chased the story up after it broke about the report being made to the ICC and as most good sports writers should, would presumably have spoken to people from the Sri Lankan camp and asked them their thoughts and one was quoted anonymously hence was referred to as ‘a source.’ Somewhat different to an open slather furore being played out in the public eye before anything had been said or done.

 

[Bletch]

Yes, Bharat Sundaresan chased the story up after it broke about the report being made to the ICC and as most good sports writers should, would presumably have spoken to people from the Sri Lankan camp and asked them their thoughts and one was quoted anonymously hence was referred to as ‘a source.’ Somewhat different to an open slather furore being played out in the public eye before anything had been said or done.

So they did go public about it. Righto.

 

[PhatBoy]

So they did go public about it. Righto.

Who did?

Again, did they come out in the press during the series whinging about it and making accusations?

Can’t see any.

Did they suggest he was throwing it during the series publicly? Nope.

Did they make any public reference to anything regarding his action anywhere at all during the course of Kuhnemann’s involvement in the tour? No.

Someone spoke to a journalist at the conclusion of the series about it.

It became a story and hence becomes public because he was reported, THEN it gets investigated, so journalists do their work. Of course they are going to speak about it.

Again, can someone explain to me if a batsman is facing a bowler and thinks that the bowler may have a suspect action, why he would be thinking twice about voicing that concern to a coach, because someone from his own country was the centre of a similar controversy decades earlier?

 

[Bletch]

Who did?

Again, did they come out in the press during the series whinging about it and making accusations?

Can’t see any.

Did they suggest he was throwing it during the series publicly? Nope.

Did they make any public reference to anything regarding his action anywhere at all during the course of Kuhnemann’s involvement in the tour? No.

Someone spoke to a journalist at the conclusion of the series about it.

It became a story and hence becomes public because he was reported, THEN it gets investigated, so journalists do their work. Of course they are going to speak about it.

Again, can someone explain to me if a batsman is facing a bowler and thinks that the bowler may have a suspect action, why he would be thinking twice about voicing that concern to a coach, because someone from his own country was the centre of a similar controversy decades earlier?

Speaking to a journalist is going public.

Sri Lankans raising concerns about a suspect action is at least a little ironic. Not unwarranted perhaps. But ironic.

Yes, the Murali incident was 30 years ago. But it was a pivotal moment in world cricket. It resulted in rule changes. Of course any future "throwing" calls will be compared to that moment. Even more so if Sri Lanka is involved. I really don't have a problem with Sri Lanka's response to the Kuhnemann call. It certainly wasn't histrionic. But it's still ironic, which is the point AH made a few posts back, that I agreed with. What you're trying to make this into now, I really don't know.

 

[PhatBoy]

Speaking to a journalist is going public.

Sri Lankans raising concerns about a suspect action is at least a little ironic. Not unwarranted perhaps. But ironic.

Yes, the Murali incident was 30 years ago. But it was a pivotal moment in world cricket. It resulted in rule changes. Of course any future "throwing" calls will be compared to that moment. Even more so if Sri Lanka is involved. I really don't have a problem with Sri Lanka's response to the Kuhnemann call. It certainly wasn't histrionic. But it's still ironic, which is the point AH made a few posts back, that I agreed with. What you're trying to make this into now, I really don't know.

About an already publicised issue? One of two things happens when Sunderesan does his story in his due diligence as a journalist by speaking to the opposition: Sri Lankan sources refuse to comment, or a Sri Lankan source said ‘this was raised but the coach said he had no problem with Kuhnemann’s action.’ Even ‘refused to comment’ holds some minor implications that they probably have some reservations about him. At any rate, simply giving their thoughts on an already public issue and saying what their process and reaction to him was, is very different to coming out in the press to make accusations.

No really making it into anything but at some stage sooner or later during this process - and it’s already well underway on social media - the line between terms like irony and hypocrisy is going to get blurred.

It seems like a cycle in sport where players are victims forever of things that they have no control over from previous teams or generations.

 

[Bletch]

About an already publicised issue? One of two things happens when Sunderesan does his story in his due diligence as a journalist by speaking to the opposition: Sri Lankan sources refuse to comment, or a Sri Lankan source said ‘this was raised but the coach said he had no problem with Kuhnemann’s action.’ Even ‘refused to comment’ holds some minor implications that they probably have some reservations about him. At any rate, simply giving their thoughts on an already public issue and saying what their process and reaction to him was, is very different to coming out in the press to make accusations.

No really making it into anything but at some stage sooner or later during this process - and it’s already well underway on social media - the line between terms like irony and hypocrisy is going to get blurred.

It seems like a cycle in sport where players are victims forever of things that they have no control over from previous teams or generations.

Agree (mostly). There's way too much stigma attached to "throwing" than there should be. I do feel for Kuhnemann, as it's been pointed out in some quarters already, he'll be carrying this for the remainder of his career. And that's unfair. But he still needs to get some correction done on that action (imo).

 

[Phone]

probably the real story is that somehow no-one in australian cricket actually thought there was a problem with the action

 

[PhatBoy]

Agree (mostly). There's way too much stigma attached to "throwing" than there should be. I do feel for Kuhnemann, as it's been pointed out in some quarters already, he'll be carrying this for the remainder of his career. And that's unfair. But he still needs to get some correction done on that action (imo).

I feel for him too I think he has moments where it is definitely a little suspect and I wouldn’t wish that stigma on anyone because it just doesn’t go away so he has a really difficult period ahead of him and a lot of work even if it’s just a few tweaks. Hell, Williamson had to go through a lot to just bowl his part timers again.

 

[Bletch]

probably the real story is that somehow no-one in australian cricket actually thought there was a problem with the action

A lot more scrutiny with Test cricket. We get close-ups in slo-mo on the TV that just might not be as apparent out on the field. Also, I just don't recall seeing a problem on his previous test tour, so perhaps it's something that has crept into his game recently?

 

[The 747]

A lot more scrutiny with Test cricket. We get close-ups in slo-mo on the TV that just might not be as apparent out on the field. Also, I just don't recall seeing a problem on his previous test tour, so perhaps it's something that has crept into his game recently?

I don't recall seeing anything of concern when I saw him in the BBL this year.

But come these Tests all of sudden you notice a) the action and b) that he has suddenly turned into a Jadeja standard bowler.

 

[PhatBoy]

I don't recall seeing anything of concern when I saw him in the BBL this year.

But come these Tests all of sudden you notice a) the action and b) that he has suddenly turned into a Jadeja standard bowler.

To be fair I think in the first test in particular anyone would have looked that good given how disinterested the Sri Lankans looked in playing decent cricket.

They at least approached the second with a modicum of intent to compete at the batting crease

 

[DaRick]

I don't recall seeing anything of concern when I saw him in the BBL this year.

But come these Tests all of sudden you notice a) the action and b) that he has suddenly turned into a Jadeja standard bowler.

In fairness, he did work with Jadeja some time ago.

 

[Black Diamond]

What changed between the BBL and the test series was his injury.

 

[PhatBoy]

What changed between the BBL and the test series was his injury.

Probably already been mentioned I’m not sure but even allowing for how much more spin friendly the pitches are, he’s probably trying to do more with the ball as well and not being as economical with his action.

A finger spinner in t20 cricket is almost exclusively concerned with accuracy and not giving any room to batsmen, rushing through overs, bowling straight, a little bit back of a length, not too concerned with getting much work on the ball etc.
you’d think that wouldn’t necessitate as much ‘action’ on his action if that makes sense

 

[Cleavy]

What changed between the BBL and the test series was his injury.

but his injury was on his non-bowling hand?

 

[Bungeye]

Probably nobody in Sri Lanka questioned Murali's action either...

And as far as I can tell, their weren't any Sri Lankan yobbos calling Murali a cheater. They treat him like a god over there.

It will be interesting what the reception Kuhnemann will get bowling in Australia.

 

[ioppolo]

Probably nobody in Sri Lanka questioned Murali's action either...

And as far as I can tell, there probably weren't any Sri Lankan yobbos calling Murali a cheater.

It will be interesting what the reception Kuhnemann will get bowling in Australia.

I'd hope support and no jeering tbh. He's not a serial chucker and hasn't gone through a whole career with a dodgy action or anything.

 

[Black Diamond]

Mist accused chuckers were not jeered like Murali.

Johan Botha had a long career in Australia for example. He even aspired to qualify for Australia once.

 

[hawkman]

I don't recall seeing anything of concern when I saw him in the BBL this year.

But come these Tests all of sudden you notice a) the action and b) that he has suddenly turned into a Jadeja standard bowler.

His quicker ball was dodgy in the BBL

 

[Mr5000]

How does Chris Green escape attention, shocking.

Bit of a problem forming in AUS cricket. I hate the BBCI as much as anyone but they appear to be ontop of this issue more than other countries.

 

[Retzlaff]

probably the real story is that somehow no-one in australian cricket actually thought there was a problem with the action

White Men Can’t Chuck

 

[Cleavy]

How does Chris Green escape attention, shocking.

Bit of a problem forming in AUS cricket. I hate the BBCI as much as anyone but they appear to be ontop of this issue more than other countries.

he didn't. articles from 2020

Sydney Thunder spinner banned for illegal bowling action

Chris Green receives a 90-day ban after being found to have an illegal bowling action in a Big Bash match between the Sydney Thunder and the Melbourne Stars.

www.abc.net.au

Green cleared to return after bowling ban | cricket.com.au

Sydney Thunder spinner cleared of an illegal bowling action after testing in Brisbane last week

www.cricket.com.au

 

[The 747]

but his injury was on his non-bowling hand?

But it affected his balance.

 

[Cleavy]

But it affected his balance.