Kumar Sangakarra

[Carbine Chaos]

what does Sangakarra average & how often has he played against the minnow nations?

It's all above I think.

 

[BORK]

what does Sangakarra average & how often has he played against the minnow nations?

The total number of innings, not outs, runs, and average against those two sides in test cricket for Sangakkara, Tendulkar, Lara, and Ponting are as follows:

Sangakarra: Innings 27, NO 2, Runs 2352, Ave 94.08

Tendulkar: Innings 23, NO 5, Runs 1738, Ave 96.56

Lara: Innings 6, NO 0, Runs 395, Ave 65.83

Ponting: Innings 9, NO 2, Runs 550, Ave 78.57

Removing those two teams from the records of Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting and Sangakarra their test averages in order from highest to lowest are as follows:

Sangakarra: 53.83
Lara: 52.53
Ponting: 51.11
Tendulkar: 51.02

Post refers to Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

 

[sherb]

Geez, you could argue the fors and againsts ad finitum.

So I will throw in a couple of "fors" for Sanga.

1. TEST RECORD AS A BATSMAN ONLY (IE WHEN NOT DESIGNATED KEEPER)
81 matches, 141 innings, 13 not out, 8877 runs at 69.35 - 30 hundreds and 40 fifties

So apart from the remarkable batting average, he is scoring at least 50 on average every second innings.

I'll do the other "for" a bit later when I can be bothered to look up the info.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Post refers to Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

thats my point

 

[BORK]

thats my point

It closed the gap in averages. But if anything that stat diminished Tendulkar more than Sangakarra as he was still left with the highest batting average while Tendulkar dropped below Ponting and Lara.

 

[bombersfan4000]

It closed the gap in averages. But if anything that stat diminished Tendulkar more than Sangakarra as he was still left with the highest batting average while Tendulkar dropped below Ponting and Lara.

where did you get those stats from? id love to see Kalli's stats next to the other great current batsmen

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Show us Sangas stats as a pure batsmen removing minnows runs for home and away, that would give a great indication

 

[BORK]

where did you get those stats from? id love to see Kalli's stats next to the other great current batsmen

Howstat website. Had do some of the maths myself when eliminating the innings, runs, and not outs from their total stats. I do rate Kallis achievements very highly. When analysing him in the past I recall that his numbers were pretty but a deeper analysis supported the other batsmen mentioned in this thread. My analysis of Sangakarra at that time had him on equal or better standing than the likes of Ponting, Lara and Tendulkar but had Kallis batting slightly below. Will look into it though.

 

[BORK]

Show us Sangas stats as a pure batsmen removing minnows runs for home and away, that would give a great indication

Including minnows(Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) these are the home and away averages.

Kumar Sangakarra test average at Home: 63.17 Away: 54.09
Tendulkar Home: 52.87 Away 54.75
Lara Home: 58.65 Away: 47.80
Ponting Home: 56.98 Away: 46.40

Comparing Sangakarra and Tendulkar against those minnows outside of their home countries the performances are:

Tendulkar: 16 innings, 4 not outs, 1060 runs, 88.33 avg
Sangakarra: 12 innings, 0 not outs, 1064 runs, 88.67 avg

Removing these innings from their away test stats

Tendulkar: 160 innings, 13 not outs, 7645 runs, 52.01 avg
Sangakarra: 93 innings, 6 not outs, 4291 runs, 49.32 avg

Both of their averages away from home eliminating minnows are higher than Lara and Ponting including minnows(Lara and Ponting did not have many innings against minnows away from home so their averages would not alter too much anyway).

 

[BORK]

Show us Sangas stats as a pure batsmen removing minnows runs for home and away, that would give a great indication

Performances at home against minnows:

Sangakarra: 15 innings, 2 not outs, 1288 runs, 99.08 avg

Tendulkar: 7 innings, 1 not out, 678 runs, 113.00 avg

Ponting: 5 innings, 1 not out, 328 runs, 82.00 avg

Lara: 2 innings, 0 not outs, 173 runs, 86.50 avg


Removing these their home records read:

Sangakarra: 101 innings, 9 not outs, 5365 runs, 58.32 avg

Lara: 109 innings, 5 not outs, 6044 runs, 58.12 avg

Ponting: 149 innings, 20 not outs, 7250 runs, 56.20 avg

Tendulkar: 146 innings, 15 not outs, 6538 runs, 49.91 avg

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I got Sangakarra out a couple of times whilst net bowling before the Adelaide test a few years ago. A week or two later he made that 190 in Hobart. The Aussies needed me that day.

 

[La Vache]

Geez, you could argue the fors and againsts ad finitum.

So I will throw in a couple of "fors" for Sanga.

1. TEST RECORD AS A BATSMAN ONLY (IE WHEN NOT DESIGNATED KEEPER)
81 matches, 141 innings, 13 not out, 8877 runs at 69.35 - 30 hundreds and 40 fifties.

Lol that is unbelievable.

 

[sherb]

2. PERFORMANCE AT NUMBER 3 (SORTED BY AVG)
Sangakkara - 199 innings (out of 222, 89.6% of total), 15 not out, 11323 runs at 61.53 - 36 hundreds, 49 fifties
Lara - 66 inns (out of 232, 28.45%), 4 no, 3749 runs at 60.46 - 9 100s, 13 50s
Ponting - 196 inns (out of 287, 68.3%), 20 no, 9904 runs at 56.27 - 32 100s. 43 50s
Kallis - 78 inns (out of 280, 27.85%), 11no, 3335 runs at 49.77 - 9 100s, 16 50s
Tendulkar - never batted at number 3 in his entire Test career

3. BATTING RECORD POST THE AGE OF 30 (SORTED BY AVG)
Sangakkara (dob 27/10/77) - 62 matches, 112 innings, 8 not out, 6502 runs at 62.51 - 23 hundreds, 29 fifties
Lara (2/5/69) - 66 mtchs, 124 inns, 2 no, 6547 runs at 53.66 - 21 100s, 21 50s
Kallis (16/10/75) - 72 mtchs, 123 inns, 13 no, 5869 runs at 53.35 - 23 100s, 21 50s
Ponting (19/12/74) - 85 mtchs, 153 inns, 13 no, 7001 runs at 50.00 - 21 100s, 37 50s
Tendulkar (24/4/73) - 95 mtchs, 160 inns, 17 no, 7110 runs at 49.72 - 20 100s, 33 50s

 

[sherb]

Lol that is unbelievable.

It is an amazing, sustained and consistent record.

When playing as a batsman only, Sangakkara's record is 2nd only to Bradman.

 

[Scotland]

Thanks sherb for introducing Kallis to the debate.

13,000+ runs @ 55 alone should be enough to enter the Ponting vs Lara vs Tendulkar debate, let alone 292 wickets @ 32 to go with it.

Sangakkara is a little champ. His record is incredible whichever way you pull it apart to make it look less so.

 

[Broar]

One of the Greats.

 

[Sea fog]

2. PERFORMANCE AT NUMBER 3 (SORTED BY AVG)
Sangakkara - 199 innings (out of 222, 89.6% of total), 15 not out, 11323 runs at 61.53 - 36 hundreds, 49 fifties
Lara - 66 inns (out of 232, 28.45%), 4 no, 3749 runs at 60.46 - 9 100s, 13 50s
Ponting - 196 inns (out of 287, 68.3%), 20 no, 9904 runs at 56.27 - 32 100s. 43 50s
Kallis - 78 inns (out of 280, 27.85%), 11no, 3335 runs at 49.77 - 9 100s, 16 50s
Tendulkar - never batted at number 3 in his entire Test career

3. BATTING RECORD POST THE AGE OF 30 (SORTED BY AVG)
Sangakkara (dob 27/10/77) - 62 matches, 112 innings, 8 not out, 6502 runs at 62.51 - 23 hundreds, 29 fifties
Lara (2/5/69) - 66 mtchs, 124 inns, 2 no, 6547 runs at 53.66 - 21 100s, 21 50s
Kallis (16/10/75) - 72 mtchs, 123 inns, 13 no, 5869 runs at 53.35 - 23 100s, 21 50s
Ponting (19/12/74) - 85 mtchs, 153 inns, 13 no, 7001 runs at 50.00 - 21 100s, 37 50s
Tendulkar (24/4/73) - 95 mtchs, 160 inns, 17 no, 7110 runs at 49.72 - 20 100s, 33 50s

Think that Sanga has an advantage post- 30 though batting predominantly in the low bouncing Asia as opposed to for example Kallis, who batted predominantly in South Africa where the average per wicket is lowest.

 

[The_Reaper]

Sinhalese Sports Club stats shouldn't count

 

[Freo Big Fella]

It's really one of those spectacularly unfair "it's the vibe" situations that pops up in cricket - no-one puts him alongside Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting because it's not fashionable to. Kallis falls into the same boat.

 

[sherb]

It's really one of those spectacularly unfair "it's the vibe" situations that pops up in cricket - no-one puts him alongside Tendulkar/Lara/Ponting because it's not fashionable to. Kallis falls into the same boat.

All five can comfortably sit in the same boat as far as I am concerned.

You could probably throw Shiv in there as well to be honest.

 

[SriLankanCat]

LOL its amazing how people are looking for an excuse to dismiss his record. Those arguing subcontinent wickets are easy to bat on why do so many greats have poor records there?? Why do foreign teams struggle to perform if its so easy??? U will argue they dont play there often but if its easy and low bounce does it matter??? Aussie and English players play better on seaming decks cause they used to it, do we ever diminish their records?

Also do we diminish bowling records attributed to Ambrose, Mcgrath, Lillee, Steyn etc cause they played in favourable conditions to fast bowling? is Chaminda Vaas better than MCgrath cause he played in unfavourable bowling conditions for a paceman???

I would like to mention Brendan Mcullum and Andy Flower as example of non- fashionable players who played for low profile teams whos records are wonderful and deserve to be up there!

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

All five can comfortably sit in the same boat as far as I am concerned.

You could probably throw Shiv in there as well to be honest.

Chanderpaul is often forgotten in these conversations, but he has been immense for a long time. In the past five years, he has averaged 70- more than any other batsman by a long way

 

[SriLankanCat]

Sinhalese Sports Club stats shouldn't count

Why?
Should WACA results count for fast bowlers? Or Adelaide Oval records since the ground is so tiny?

 

[The_Reaper]

Why?
Should WACA results count for fast bowlers? Or Adelaide Oval records since the ground is so tiny?

The Sinhalese sports club is a a ridiculous cricket ground.

Sangakkara is an all time great of the game but when guys like Samaraweera can average over 50 at some point in their careers there is something wrong

 

[SriLankanCat]

Chanderpaul is often forgotten in these conversations, but he has been immense for a long time. In the past five years, he has averaged 70- more than any other batsman by a long way

An absolute legend of a player

Also i reckon a guy that gets really overlooked who was a wonderful batsman is Mahela Jayawardene. Yeah he struggled away from home but still a great many runs.

Also reckon the Kiwis get a bad run. Daniel Vettori was a wonderful bowler. Never was put up there as a great spinner but certainly did his part.