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AJ's injuries have been more severe than Tippett's, but both have had injuries severely stunt their careers.
Tipett's literally a career ending injury.
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AJ's injuries have been more severe than Tippett's, but both have had injuries severely stunt their careers.
Yeah, exactly. Potting the bloke is one thing, but to do it right after an injury has ended his career is poor form IMO.Tipett's literally a career ending injury.
Wow thats a loooooooong way from the SCG!Saw Dean Cox at Erina Fair today. Very large man. Whilst probably not still at his playing weight he was moving pretty well between Coles and the butcher. Now that there is a spot available maybe a player/coach role ...
Wow thats a loooooooong way from the SCG!
If there were extenuating circumstances that contributed to his below average performances, particularly if those extenuating circumstances amounted to a work related injury, I'd be doing everything I could do rehabilitate him failing which I would be encouraging him into other suitable employment with my absolute best wishes.
I certainly wouldn't be slagging him off.
But you feel free to keep doing that. I can't stop you.
But know that it reflects on your own character.
EDIT: And if I did have words to impart of a critical nature I'd be saying them to his face, not on some anonymous internet forum. And if I wasn't prepared to say those words to his face, I wouldn't say them at all.
He was able to play, but much of those 4 years were spent playing through serious pain. We wouldn't have given him the contract if we knew that his body was going to fall apart, but we didn't know that, and he didn't know that, when he signed the contract. We overpaid him, sure, but to take shots for a bloke for not playing at his best while often playing through pretty serious injury (i.e. playing on an ankle that needed surgery for a full season) is just embarrassing. Forget about the contract and just judge his performances for what they were.
Also, it is actually a pretty reasonable comparison. People are calling Tippett a monumental waste of money as if that automatically means that's a reflection on him. AJ has also been a monumental waste of money over the past 5 seasons, but it absolutely doesn't automatically reflect poorly on him. Sure, AJ's injuries have been more severe than Tippett's, but both have had injuries severely stunt their careers.
Short memories... his first season with us was stellar...
Every player get injured, Tippet seemingly would get injured jogging along at half pace.
Tippet lacked intensity and effort. He often seemed more interested in the ball coming to him than making an effort to find the ball. Overall he seemed to lack a certain heart and toughness and ability you expect from our second highest player
These things, Injuries, Effort, Performance, Pay, are factors that supporters judge players and their worth to the club on
Why do you keep trying to link Alex Johnson to Kurt Tippet?? Your argument is so full of holes I feel embarrassed for you when I read it.
This is a thread to celebrate Kurt Tippet leaving, it has nothing at all to do with Alex Johnson. Next you will be bringing up overpaid players form other clubs as if that also is relevant
Gee. I hope you never get an injury that impedes you at work and have people questioning your effort and intensity.
Short memories... his first season with us was stellar...
I'm happy an injury-prone bloke is off his books, but I certainly don't see a need to pot a bloke that was forced to retire (probably giving up $500k+) from his job due to injury.Even when Tippet wasn't injured he was incredibly average and didn't justify his salary nor did he often deserve a place in the first team
As for me buddy, If I was injured it would be irrelevant to my work. If however i started making poor decisions, gave 60% effort to my job and spent 5 years oh my high salary while not being able to justify it in the return it gave, then yeah, i would expect people should and would question my effort
He took far more from the team than he was capable of giving back
He might be a lovely guy but i am so happy he isn't clogging up out list anymore. Anyone who values the team performance first should be happy our most overpaid and under performing player has gone
But apparently we should believe he wasn't doing this for his last few years due to a lack of effort. For some reason, I think his body may have had (just a tiny, tiny) bit to do with it.How many players in the comp could do what Tippo did at 2:00, let alone a 200cm/100kg guy.
These things, Injuries, Effort, Performance, Pay, are factors that supporters judge players and their worth to the club on.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, and its a little bit chemtrails.. but Lets be honest, the swans are smart operators.
After realising a full reconstruction was required last year - which he played through from round 2. Swans renegotiate to spread the salary across 3 years, telegraphing the possible retirement. Tippo has surgery on the club insurance + rehab for 2 months to get him back to long term ankle security at least. Meanwhile hes missed a preseason, ankles not what he wants and the swans offer him an out with a role yet to be announced. Deal made, 900k salary deal saved for the cap and both parties walk away happy.
I hope kurt gets a job basically, but i can't fault the swans for hedging their bets. Smart operating for what is, lets be honest, a business decision.
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I agree with your point as to how he was used with Buddy.Just on the whole topic of "supporting players no matter what" and at all that - the fact of the matter is most hardcore fans care more about the "club" (as an abstract entity) than the players do. These guys are out there doing a job trying to make money. Very few of them would have supported club growing up and all of them would leave for better circumstances if necessary. I'm not saying this to have a go at players at all - it's the very nature of professional sport.
This idea that a supporter has to offer some strange blind allegiance and support to the players is weird. Yeah, don't be a moron about it, but supporters criticising players is, again, the very nature of professional sport. This isn't under 13s.
The fact is by pretty much every metric the recruitment of Tippett was a huge mistake. I couldn't imagine there's a single person out there that would get in a time machine back to just after the 2012 flag and recruit Tippett again. He took up a significant chunk of the cap for years and didn't give us the performance someone getting paid that salary should. Obviously he faced a lot of injuries and I'd also argue it was clear our coaching panel had no idea how to use him and Buddy in the same team. Heck, it didn't make much sense in the first place that we went and recruited a relatively immobile forward who plays his best football deep forward when our entire gameplan revolved around team defence shifting up the ground to leave space in the forward 50.
I see people talking about his time in the ruck I think in 2015 as his best performances at the club, but I think his first 11 games for us in 2013 before getting injured in the semi final were clearly his best. 35 goals in 11 games as the focal point of the forward line.
Honestly, if we were allowed to (I.e. we had American rules when it came to trading) we should have traded him at the end of 2013 or the very latest 2014. You don't pay that money for a ruck/forward and at that stage it was clear that's all he could be with Buddy in the team.
I agree with your point as to how he was used with Buddy.
Had Chris Scott had Buddy, Tippett and Goodes all in the one forward line Geelong would have kicked 20 plus goals every week as their game plan revolved around offence. Here we were, with the forward line most coaches could only dream of yet our one and only priority was defence. T'is a shame we didn't splurge the $800K on recruiting Rance instead of Tippett.