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Keystone agony said:
I dont rate his kicking or decision making at all. Its very hit and miss.
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You are half right.

He can shank a few kicks - especially kicking for goal - but his vision is good and when he spots up a challenging kick - It had high hurt factor.
 
yaco55 said:
You are half right.

He can shank a few kicks - especially kicking for goal - but his vision is good and when he spots up a challenging kick - It had high hurt factor.
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I don't agree with this at all TBH.

Reimers is the best kick for goal in the side, along with Ryder. There were countless times during 2011 where he would easily slot goals from outside 50, or on tightish angles.
 

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ant555 said:
3rd in goal assist averages and 6th in inside 50 target averages, 18th in skill errors, 20th in turnovers.
You can make stats dance to many tunes...... even more so when you just pick out 1 !
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Not sure if you read the thread bud. From the sounds of it, you didnt or havnt.

But we were purely discussing this

You'd be alone there, Reimers' kicking is quality. One of the best kicks to advantage in the side.
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Fair reason why i picked that stat i would say. Not sure what stat you would pick other than "Kicking to advantage stat" when arguing kicking to advantage :confused::eek:

Also 33rd for effective disposal aswell at dons, that would be another to use when discussing his foot skills/skills to advantage.

You would expect him to rank pretty highly in inside 50 (thats his game/position). Same goes for goal assist.

Stats dont lie
 
fishardansin said:
I don't think he will be either. Has plenty of talent but tries to bite off more then he can chew too often and instead of his miracle cut back pass into the corridor leading to an open Essendon player it will be a damaging turn over that leaves our defense exposed.

This to me says a lot about his attitude and why I don't think he'll make it as a long term AFL player. He just thinks that he is too good for the mundane. Kyle is too good to do the "boring" thing and kick long down the line he has to do the amazing game turning thing.

He also beats up on weak opposition, while goes missing for most of the game against good opposition. The game against West Coast this year was the exception though his three goals were only in a 5 min burst.

He loves to look like the tough guy and fight with guys like Daisy Thomas, who clearly will never be a tough guy, yet will short step when it is his turn to go.

He reminds me a lot of my eldest son. He wants to kick the miracle goal and fight at every chance but is "too good" to do the percentage thing or the unrewarded hard running. My boy is also painfully shy, which it was mentioned earlier that Reimers is too. My son is only 12 though and I hope to have beaten that out of him by the start of next season!!

I had high hopes for Reimers after hearing he ran a massive beep test in the last preseason because I thought that an effort like that on the track would translate onto the field and his attitude. I have to say I was a little disappointed. Lets hope he can turn it around. If he doesn't there is no way he'll be around a club for long with Mark Thompson pulling the strings.
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Brilliant post, you have hit the nail on the proverbial.
 
Keystone agony said:
Not sure if you read the thread bud. From the sounds of it, you didnt or havnt.

But we were purely discussing this



Fair reason why i picked that stat i would say. Not sure what stat you would pick other than "Kicking to advantage stat" when arguing kicking to advantage :confused::eek:

Also 33rd for effective disposal aswell at dons, that would be another to use when discussing his foot skills/skills to advantage.

You would expect him to rank pretty highly in inside 50 (thats his game/position). Same goes for goal assist.

Stats dont lie
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And I will quote another stat - which is still in the development stage - Hurt Factor - That is kicks which have a major impact on play - Reimers has hurt factor with his kicking when he on - He sprays a few, especially shooting for goal as i previously mentioned - But if had two players streaming out of the midfield to make a 50 metre pass would be confident in either Reimers or Jetta.

Now it is a matter of getting them to spend more time in the midfield.
 
Great discussion point HFF.

It is clear that he has an abundance of talent and it is work ethic that is letting him down. Last season I think was a turning point in some ways. He showed that he can be more selfless and bring other players into the game more. 3rd in goal assist averages at Essendon is a mighty fine effort.

I think he has trouble mentally concentrating on a whole game of football. This happens when he is not involved in play for a period of time and the head goes down, work rate drops and that's when he forgets to put on defensive pressure and lay tackles.

In this situation I'd like Hird to shift him into the midfield for a couple of minutes to bring him back into the play. I think that would help switch him back on mentally to continue to do the 1%ers.

I think he will make it. Not a superstar but a very consistent best 22 player. He has a wonderful kick and a very good goal sense.
 

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Keystone agony said:
Not sure if you read the thread bud. From the sounds of it, you didnt or havnt.

But we were purely discussing this



Fair reason why i picked that stat i would say. Not sure what stat you would pick other than "Kicking to advantage stat" when arguing kicking to advantage :confused::eek:

Also 33rd for effective disposal aswell at dons, that would be another to use when discussing his foot skills/skills to advantage.

You would expect him to rank pretty highly in inside 50 (thats his game/position). Same goes for goal assist.

Stats dont lie
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I can read just fine.

Keystone agony said:
I dont rate his kicking or decision making at all. Its very hit and miss.
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This was your earlier quote was it not ? or are we only allowed to read your opinions in individual parts ?
Am i not allowed to comment on previous views on page 1?

Yes 33rd in effective disposals yet only mid range 10th to 20th in turnovers, critical errors, kicks to direct opponents and well behind some key players in the side.

Like i said you can spin the stats whatever way you want them !
 
ant555 said:
3rd in goal assist averages and 6th in inside 50 target averages, 18th in skill errors, 20th in turnovers.
You can make stats dance to many tunes...... even more so when you just pick out 1 !
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Keystone you have to read all of these again. It shows what everyone else sees in Reimers is correct. Fantastic skill, especially kicking. When he is close to the F50 the options deminish and he then uses the ball very well, as well as kicking brilliantly for goal. He also has great vision and can see a pass across field that will totally open up play.

The problem is, as I stated earlier, that he often tries to show off his vision and goes for things that will look amazing if they come off but really only have a 10% chance of panning out. This is decision making. His desire to show off to the world how amazing he thinks he is leads him to turn what shouldn't be a pressure situation for Essendon into one.

Someone said earlier that he is painfully shy, must admit he seemed like a smartarse everytime I saw him at Coburg Woolworths, unlike Pears and Myers who were refreshing to talk to and would bend down to shake my kids' hands. I also know that Kyle had a pretty tough time as a kid, ending up living with his sister rather then his parents. I'm not sure what the story is there but one can assume that his parents were either crap or they passed away. Neither is a good option for a well balanced individual settled in life and brimming with true self confidence.

I earlier tried to draw similarities with him and my son. My son too has had it tough with him mother preferring to hit the piss rather then look after him and his siblings. He too is lacking in real self confidence so always tries to do the amazing to prove to the world that he is worthwhile. To always be ready for the amazing you can't waste your time and energy with the ordinary!!!

Also I'm obvioulsy a bit harsh on Kyle as what I see as his problems hit a nerve for me that is personal and the cause of plenty of heartache as I try to iron that rubbish out of my boy. I do think that Hirdy and Thompson could give him the no nonsense guidance required to straighten him out. However, both are too proffesional and driven to give him infinite chances. I'd say he has to the end of this contract to show he's turning around his attitude.
 
fishardansin said:
The problem is, as I stated earlier, that he often tries to show off his vision and goes for things that will look amazing if they come off but really only have a 10% chance of panning out. This is decision making. His desire to show off to the world how amazing he thinks he is leads him to turn what shouldn't be a pressure situation for Essendon into one.
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I gotta pull you (and everyone else) up on this sort of point.

It is the vision and skill ("flair") that makes Reimers worth persisting with. His "show off" game is the reason that he is in the side. Without flair he is not on the list as, quite clearly, the rest of Reimers' game hasn't previously stacked up.

Like I've been saying, it is currently a delicate balance: we have to allow Reimers the freedom to use his strengths and accept that while his game grows, and he is attempting to execute difficult/ambitious passes and the like, he will make errors. If you accept, as everyone seems to, that the penny has finally dropped I just don't see why you can assume that Reimers only ever makes a mistake because he is showing off.

I know that Reimers is not currently worthy of cleaning the mud from Darren Bewick's boots but he could be the next best small forward we've had in recent memory. Bewick was a hungry bastard but because he wasn't loaded with tats, and attiuted, it was laughed off and made him a cult hero of sorts. There is saying about judging books by their covers that is too frequently ignored.
 
To my eyes there's a good reason why Reimers kicking to advantage statistic is misleading. He's not so clean in contested situations, and he frequently gets caught while trying to execute the kick. Reimers doesn't often beat his man, and it's for this reason I believe he goes missing in games. Consider the first Richmond game last year, which was a contested arm-wrestle until Richmond broke away; Reimers was rarely sighted. I definitely think he needs to do a lot of hard work in this area.

In the open Reimers is a beautiful kick and easily among the very best in the side, and one of our most damaging players. For example, the Gold Coast game was a wide-open game without the contested arm-wrestle, and you can see how damaging he was.

People remember him for when his eyes light up at the goals and he ignores a better option, but he's far from alone. He has actually been getting better in this regard - probably under instruction, as he is so good at spotting and executing to a leading forward.
 
Not spinning the stats at all Ants just simply posting the ones that matter

Id prefer Heppell or Zaka with the footy in their hands, i also think Melksham will develop into a great user of the footy aswell. Hes a bit off right now, but i think its due to him rushing to too much so he doesnt get caught. Where, as a junior he was a really poised type this may take some time with confidence at AFL level but i think we will see a really big improvement this year.
 
Keystone agony said:
Not spinning the stats at all Ants just simply posting the ones that matter

Id prefer Heppell or Zaka with the footy in their hands, i also think Melksham will develop into a great user of the footy aswell. Hes a bit off right now, but i think its due to him rushing to too much so he doesnt get caught. Where, as a junior he was a really poised type this may take some time with confidence at AFL level but i think we will see a really big improvement this year.
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Everything that I read about Melksham's junior career - And some of through Ant555 posting reports - was that Melksham's kicking was inconsistent from game to game.

Anyway certain we will hear more in this thread about Melksham's kicking prowess.
 

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Keystone agony said:
Not spinning the stats at all Ants just simply posting the ones that matter

Id prefer Heppell or Zaka with the footy in their hands, i also think Melksham will develop into a great user of the footy aswell. Hes a bit off right now, but i think its due to him rushing to too much so he doesnt get caught. Where, as a junior he was a really poised type this may take some time with confidence at AFL level but i think we will see a really big improvement this year.
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Well maybe you had better bring up the stats that matter for Zaka and Melksham, think you will find that across the board they are similar to Reimers as a collective bunch.

Reimers is better than both of them in turnovers,skill errors,critical errors,kicks to opposition players just to list a few stats. In the end it comes down to a combination of being able to watch games live, and then watch the replays with the full range of stats before you can really qualify to have the best informed opinion.

Lets face it you did not even use the effective disposal stat all that well either as it was average effective disposals per game at 6.6. It does not take into account how many disposals one may have or if they where kicks aor handballs. Stanton was second on that list and Watson first yet both are also in the top 2 or 3 for turnovers, errors, kicks to opposition etc

Remiers averaged 10.8 disposals which 6.6 of them where effective.
Zaka averaged 20.7 disposals with 14 effective.
Melksham average 16.8 disposals with 10 effective.
 
Nominated Reimers as the Bomber I thought could make the big leap forward in 2012 on a thread on the main board a while back & whilst he's a bit of a longshot, the talents there in abundance.

It's simple as far as I see it - if one of the coaches can get inside his head & work him out then Reimers has a very positive future, if not, well every VFL squad needs a few coulda/shoulda/woulda type players.
 
Reimers is 27th for kicking to advantage Heppell and Zaka as youngsters are both top 10. Thats what was arguing against with Smithy94 i think it was.

Id like to see him out of the goal square or trying a new role across half back.

But from watching Reimers for many years now, i dont see him as a "great" kick fore looking at stats.
 
Keystone agony said:
Reimers is 27th for kicking to advantage Heppell and Zaka as youngsters are both top 10. Thats what was arguing against with Smithy94 i think it was.

Id like to see him out of the goal square or trying a new role across half back.

But from watching Reimers for many years now, i dont see him as a "great" kick fore looking at stats.
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That is why you should watch games rather than look at stats.
 
One of Reimers best traits is his finishing by foot, either at goal or passing inside 50. His stats probably suffer somewhat because as others with fantastic kicking skills, he sometimes goes for the near impossible.
 
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