Society/Culture Kyle Rittenhouse

[ShanDog]

The self defence is a reasonable argument to which I think the not guilty verdict is reasonable. However, my issue is voluntarily walking into this situation with an assault rifle in your hands escalates any situation exponentially and the protestors would be right to presume this as a sign of aggression in the first place. What baffles me is there is zero accountability on the kid turning up like this in the first place. Does someone pull a gun on him if he is unarmed?

This is the main problem with discussion surrounding the incident and verdict - too many people don't understand (or don't care) how the law works, and can't separate the idiocy of the open carry laws and/or Rittenhouse's decision to go there from said law due to their political biases. As far as the actual incident he was charged over and the law that applies to it, he was not guilty, and always seemed to be based on the footage/info out there from the start.

 

[Osho]

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I think someone knows they're getting sued.

Does anyone else remember this?



Dicky got it right, though.

 

[Lethality]

My reality is reality. A skateboard and an angry mob is a deadly weapon in this situation. An AR15 is a deadly weapon in this situation.

That's a bit of a false equivalence.

 

[Financialpanther]

That's a bit of a false equivalence.

Skateboards are deadly is you are on the wrong side of the tracks (sorry)

 

[Chief]

My reality is reality. A skateboard and an angry mob is a deadly weapon in this situation. An AR15 is a deadly weapon in this situation.

You'd have to be really really quick to go on a killing spree in a school with only a skateboard.

Otherwise, are they going to lump in all murders with skateboards and guns as "sporting goods murders"?

 

[Financialpanther]

You'd have to be really really quick to go on a killing spree in a school with only a skateboard.

Otherwise, are they going to lump in all murders with skateboards and guns as "sporting goods murders".

“He pulled a roller blade on me so I had to shoot”

 

[Chief]

“He pulled a roller blade on me so I had to shoot”

At least an ice hockey stick has a bit of reach.

 

[scoman]

Yep - I am more concerned about the potential precedent this creates for vigilantism.

Certainly is a concern in that people will feel more confident attending with a firearm knowing they have the right to use it should they come under attack.

The exaggeration, though, that people will be emboldened to pull the trigger while not under attack is not as much of a concern. If they were to do that they will go to jail or worse.

It's also a pretty big stretch of the bow to suggest someone would try to create identical circumstances in order to add a couple of notches to their belt or deal out some revenge. That would be possible the riskiest play in history. Then again people can be stupid.

BY the way I'm not suggesting you subscribe to any of these bar perhaps the first, which I agree with.

 

[Lethality]

You'd have to be really really quick to go on a killing spree in a school with only a skateboard.

Otherwise, are they going to lump in all murders with skateboards and guns as "sporting goods murders"?

Insurrectionists killed a cop with a flag

 

[Chief]

The exaggeration, though, that people will be emboldened to pull the trigger while not under attack is not as much of a concern. If they were to do that they will go to jail or worse.

The more guns on the scene the more likelihood one will be misused. People in stressed situations won’t make good decisions.

 

[scoman]

You'd have to be really really quick to go on a killing spree in a school with only a skateboard.

Otherwise, are they going to lump in all murders with skateboards and guns as "sporting goods murders"?

That was not my intention. Just pointing out in this situation both were deadly weapons, or had the potential to be.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

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I think someone knows they're getting sued.

Imagine if our PM (any of them, anytime) did that.

 

[Financialpanther]

Certainly is a concern in that people will feel more confident attending with a firearm knowing they have the right to use it should they come under attack.

The exaggeration, though, that people will be emboldened to pull the trigger while not under attack is not as much of a concern. If they were to do that they will go to jail or worse.

It's also a pretty big stretch of the bow to suggest someone would try to create identical circumstances in order to add a couple of notches to their belt or deal out some revenge. That would be possible the riskiest play in history. Then again people can be stupid.

BY the way I'm not suggesting you subscribe to any of these bar perhaps the first, which I agree with.

I think the civil unrest from both sides is only the tip of the iceberg and escalation is not far away in the next 2-10 years. I don’t feel there is any exaggeration.

That is my worry with this case.

 

[scoman]

That's a bit of a false equivalence.

Can you explain that. I was pointing out that the reality of the situation was that both were being used, or had the potential to be used as deadly weapons. Didn't mean in general or normally.

 

[Chief]

That was not my intention. Just pointing out in this situation both were deadly weapons, or had the potential to be.

I think it’s telling that people thought he’d calm the **** down and stop pulling the trigger if they could get in and immobilise him.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I think the civil unrest from both sides is only the tip of the iceberg and escalation is not far away in the next 2-10 years. I don’t feel there is any exaggeration.

That is my worry with this case.

Yeah it does feel like America is on precipice of a Civil War/boiling point that was like what happened after the Rodney King case and OJ Simpson trial

President Trump and his crazed cult of MAGA fanatics are mostly to blame for this.

 

[Financialpanther]

Yeah it does feel like America is on precipice of a Civil War/boiling point that was like what happened after the Rodney King case and OJ Simpson trial

President Trump and his crazed cult of MAGA fanatics are mostly to blame for this.

The fire was always there - trump was just gasoline. Not saying he isn’t somewhat responsible but saying he is the cause is a bit much (the undercurrent of unrest was there long before him)

 

[Lethality]

Can you explain that. I was pointing out that the reality of the situation was that both were being used, or had the potential to be used as deadly weapons. Didn't mean in general or normally.

It's using a very low commonality to equate two things that aren't really alike at all. Even an unarmed man can kill, that doesn't mean that therefore you should feel justified in blowing him away with your rifle.

 

[scoman]

I think the civil unrest from both sides is only the tip of the iceberg and escalation is not far away in the next 2-10 years. I don’t feel there is any exaggeration.

That is my worry with this case.

Yeah you could well be right. Things could very well kick off at some point. I'm not sure that this case should then be seen as the antecedent though.

 

[scoman]

It's using a very low commonality to equate two things that aren't really alike at all. Even an unarmed man can kill, that doesn't mean that therefore you should feel justified in blowing him away with your rifle.

I can accept that.

 

[Taylor]

Yeah it does feel like America is on precipice of a Civil War/boiling point that was like what happened after the Rodney King case and OJ Simpson trial

President Trump and his crazed cult of MAGA fanatics are mostly to blame for this.

It's been in the interests of their politicians and media to keep people with a clear class divide thinking it's a racial divide.

 

[Financialpanther]

Yeah you could well be right. Things could very well kick off at some point. I'm not sure that this case should then be seen as the antecedent though.

The outcome may encourage the activity (but may not mirror the outcome). That is the concern.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

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I think someone knows they're getting sued.

I thought the second amendment 2as supposed to help in active shooter situations.

I kinda understand him getting off the first shooting as self defence, but the other 2 were people trying to apprehend an active shooter.

So next school shooting, if an armed citizen points their gun at the fleeing active shooter, the shooter can shoot them and claim self defence?

He wasn’t an active shooter by definition. The trial covered this in detail.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Yeah it does feel like America is on precipice of a Civil War/boiling point that was like what happened after the Rodney King case and OJ Simpson trial

President Trump and his crazed cult of MAGA fanatics are mostly to blame for this.

This divide between extreme left and right was there wel before trump. It’s been constructed subversively for decades, trump just fanned the flames it was always going to happen. Well done Russia.

 

[Taylor]

It's a nice signal for how docile life is in Australia that someone carrying a gun around here is terrifying when to hold it they need to pass lots of clearance checks but in the US you can carry one and it's not scary and have less restrictions.