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Society/Culture Kyle Rittenhouse

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Soft Downhill Skier said:
Happy to take a ban for this, but you're a campaigner for going for this line over and over again. Go give yourself an uppercut, and then another one.
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He is. And he's not the only one who has done it here.

To him and others if you don't agree with the "he got what he's coming" argument, then apparently you support his crimes.
 
He deserved to not be allowed back on the streets, but that's a whole different argument to have with bleeding hearts.

I generally expect that everyone is on board with the idea that raping a child puts you in the bin, raping multiple flushes the toilet
 
Chief said:
I’ve put in a couple of reply bans.

Please keep it mostly civil.
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I hope one of them is the **** who is calling people "paedophile apologists" and similar.
 

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Financialpanther said:
Yep - I am more concerned about the potential precedent this creates for vigilantism.
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You are honestly struggling to find anyone here who is arguing for Kyle that he even acted as a vigilante.
 
ShanDog said:
This is the main problem with discussion surrounding the incident and verdict - too many people don't understand (or don't care) how the law works, and can't separate the idiocy of the open carry laws and/or Rittenhouse's decision to go there from said law due to their political biases. As far as the actual incident he was charged over and the law that applies to it, he was not guilty, and always seemed to be based on the footage/info out there from the start.
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Can't really argue with that. Letter of the law an acquittal based on self-defence is probably the correct result.

At the end of the day it's further confirmation that in the US, if you get yourself into a sticky situation an entirely satisfactory course of action is to shoot yourself out of it.
 
Taylor said:
It's been in the interests of their politicians and media to keep people with a clear class divide thinking it's a racial divide.
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After Occupy wall street the race rhetoric and other divisive things went overdrive in the US.

Class is the dirtiest word to say in the US.
 
Stan_Darsh72 said:
After Occupy wall street the race rhetoric and other divisive things went overdrive in the US.

Class is the dirtiest word to say in the US.
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That's the point they knew it would be discovered, it's rich v the rest there. But if you keep them thinking it's about race they won't notice
 
If you need people to be somehow flawed, who have been shown to be right all along, because you were on the other side of the argument then we need to protect your mental health and not drive that home.

There's no winners here anyway.
 
Brad Goodman said:
Can't really argue with that. Letter of the law an acquittal based on self-defence is probably the correct result.

At the end of the day it's further confirmation that in the US, if you get yourself into a sticky situation an entirely satisfactory course of action is to shoot yourself out of it.
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It's absurd that people can walk around with firearms in some US states. I say that as someone who quite enjoys firearms and shooting. If the law didn't allow it, I'd argue it is highly unlikely that Rittenhouse would have been in that situation at all.

This is one of those cases where the table was set for such an incident to occur by society, rather than being wholly on the individuals involved. Especially when you consider the reason there were riots and demonstrations happening in the first place.
 

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ShanDog said:
It's absurd that people can walk around with firearms in some US states. I say that as someone who quite enjoys firearms and shooting. If the law didn't allow it, I'd argue it is highly unlikely that Rittenhouse would have been in that situation at all.

This is one of those cases where the table was set for such an incident to occur by society, rather than being wholly on the individuals involved. Especially when you consider the reason there were riots and demonstrations happening in the first place.
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Hopefully he will learn from this rather than sliding into extremism (as he has become something of a poster child). It would appear he was a bee's diaphragm from a lengthy jail term!
 
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Taylor said:
Sure thing vigilante spruiker.

You were so wrong and now you need everyone else to be damaged too.
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All you had to do was leave your post in place that I quoted and we could have discussed it from there.

But instead you did a Kyle and crapped yourself.
 
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Brad Goodman said:
Hopefully he will learn from this rather than sliding into extremism (as he has become something of a poster child). It would appear he was a bee's diaphragm from a lenghty jail term!
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It will be interesting. I'm sure, as has been pointed out, the nutters on the right will want to embrace him, include him, interview him, etc. If he allows that to happen, he won't have learnt much at all and will go further down the rabbit hole.

If he truly wants to learn, he'd be better off slipping away from the limelight and trying to quietly rebuild his life.
 
sherb said:
"The greatest country in the world" where vigilantism is still a thing.
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Every year Marvel and DC put a movie or two out glorifying vigilantism so there’s bound to be a nutcase or two inspired by that.
 
Chief said:
The more guns on the scene the more likelihood one will be misused. People in stressed situations won’t make good decisions.
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I do feel like in the situation i can understand how Rittenhouse could flip out. I just learned there was an unknown gunman firing off some rounds.
 

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Cooldude said:
Not even a surprise, every couple of years there's a high profile case of some murderous campaigner getting off in court, that's just America

If you are a murderer then there's no better place to be than the US
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The verdict isn't a surprise, Viewing the situation through the parameters of the case solely, it was expected.

But looking at it more broadly, through the various layers of this whole ****show, it paints a very sad and pathetic picture of the USA as a country.

From questionable use of police force against a black man, to resultant civil protests (with violence/arson/property damage involved), to a 17 yo kid wanting to play tough guy with his toy gun, to the police not sending him home at the outset, to protestors wanting to take him down, to people being shot and dying, to police letting him leave the scene afterwards, to the legal system not making the 17yo accountable for any of his behaviour, and more.
 
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sherb said:
All you had to do was leave your post in place that I quoted and we could have discussed it from there.

But instead you did a Kyle and crapped yourself.
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If my post isn't there then it wasn't me.
 
It seems a curiously American obsession with taking courtroom drama and making it a part of the endless and stupid culture wars. The trial becomes a part of the discourse, people gravitate towards sides based on their wider demographic identity, each potential outcome holds greater symbolic value. I can think of few other countries, for example, that have popular television shows and movies being regularly produced.

In the end it allows people to think justice was done (or not) based on whatever outcome they weirdly want, as though the righteousness of the country that has more incarcerated people than any other on earth is in any way in question. I hope the people celebrating this want to consider the multitudes of people locked up excessively, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Amazing how many criminals are drawn to this sort of rioting behaviour. I wonder if people would be so supportive of it if they knew. I suspect they just serve a purpose though.

Or maybe it's just chance that every bullet Rittenhouse fired hit someone with a list of priors.

Why are domestic abusers, violent criminals and sex offenders drawn to anti establishment causes?
 

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