Society/Culture Kyle Rittenhouse

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I mean that a white guy shot some white people and it’s a race issue, only because of the ideaologies of the people that died.
If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was say an Africa or Asian American who went to one of those nutjob Proud Boys rallies/protests and shot up/killed a couple of crazy loons who attended that protest, do you think most of the people happy Rittenhouse got off.

Think you are being a bit naive if you think Race has not clouded many people's biases in this case, at least in the US.
 

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To protect a car yard he had nothing to do with.
That was the bullshit story his defence come up with after the event. There were no protestors or rioters in the vicinity of the car lot. One of the owners, and a technician, we’re working as normal.

The lot just happened to be on a corner where some armed vigilantes had gathered, when Rittenhouse assimilated with them.

The owners testified at the trial they had not asked the group to protect their business, or gave them permission to do so. They were clearly trouble makers, who scared the bejeesus out of them, so they weren’t inclined to order them to disperse - in time they moved on seeking greater action.
 
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If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was say an Africa or Asian American who went to one of those nutjob Proud Boys rallies/protests and shot up/killed a couple of crazy loons who attended that protest, do you think most of the people happy Rittenhouse got off.

Think you are being a bit naive if you think Race has not clouded many people's biases in this case, at least in the US.
Would the victims be African American or Asian (for an apples to apples comparison)?
 

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I like how the OK symbol is now the white supremacists sign. Do you know for a fact Kyle knew what it meant?
If you're standing with the Proud Boys doing that sign with others it looks like a signal for white supremacy.

Blame the white supremacists for co-opting it
 

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The video (and the fact they sang the theme song for him) doesn't speak for itself?
It started as 4chan taking the piss and the media and twitter idiots loosing their collective minds over it. Whatever it has become was their creation.

I suppose it sells print though.
 

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Just so you understand.

He didn't take a gun across state lines, he isn't a white supremacist and no black people where killed (despite what the media is still trying to make people believe).
Why does it matter if he took it across state lines or not in the grand scheme of things? I mean apart from legal technicalities?

If I live in Tweed Heads and shoot some people in Twwed Heads how is that materially different to going to the Gold Coast and shooting people?

Forest/trees.
 

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FFS a normal person who took the lives of others in self defence would need a bit of time to deal it with mentally I would have thought. Appears not to be the case. Looking more and more like he is a bad person.
He is being given the red carpet treatment by those that have been telling him he had done nothing wrong. The cult of the celebrity is too hard to pass up for him and his family.

Not sure I would mark him for life for this photo or the media campaign.
 

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It started as 4chan taking the piss and the media and twitter idiots loosing their collective minds over it. Whatever it has become was their creation.

I suppose it sells print though.
You didn't really answer the question.

They sung him the song, then posed for the photo while they all flashed the sign. Nothing to do with the trial, but I reckon most on this board would be able to see that for what it is without any help from 4chan or the media. I hadn't heard about it until a few days ago, for example.
 
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He is being given the red carpet treatment by those that have been telling him he had done nothing wrong. The cult of the celebrity is too hard to pass up for him and his family.

Not sure I would mark him for life for this photo or the media campaign.
True - he is only 18 after all. All this sh*t may be doing damage for all we know. He is just being used unfortunately.
 

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On this day in 1859, Charles Darwin, published "On the Origin of Species."
In it he explained his theory of evolution through the process of natural selection. While it illustrated the astonishing diversity of life and gave explanation for how it came about, it also emphasised the connectedness of all things including us, humans, with each other and other life forms. Our connectedness may be getting lost in this thread, as it is elsewhere, via easy characterizations and dismissiveness of the other. It is then a short distance to other behaviours the 20th Century is infamous for. I offer you in celebration of our connectedness, a nice little sermon from Stephen Fry.

 

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FFS a normal person who took the lives of others in self defence would need a bit of time to deal it with mentally I would have thought. Appears not to be the case. Looking more and more like he is a bad person.
It would be bloody hard to resist as an 18 year old, not just the cash from stuff like the Tucker interview but the 15 mins of fame generally.

But yeah probably not doing his image any favours. Although I suspect it doesn't move the needle one iota PR wise, it's not like either side of the argument would hold much different an opinion of him was he not doing that stuff.
 

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it's not like either side of the argument would hold much different an opinion of him was he not doing that stuff
If he really did come out and say he supports people protesting for better treatment of black populations, and publicly rejected advances to appear on the worst of the alt-right shows, picked a balanced, professional news organisation to talk to, that would probably get many people to at least listen to his own side of the story.

I know I would more readily accept that he isn’t revelling in the notoriety as it looks like he is now.
 

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