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Labour Party...


May as well be a fascist party,
Higher taxes, no religious freedom and an unstable economy.
Remind you of anything?

That this isn't the international politics board?
 

GoldenSky

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Labour Party...


May as well be a fascist party,
Higher taxes, no religious freedom and an unstable economy.
Remind you of anything?

The fact they can't even spell their name correctly tells you everything. As does their supporters gleefully and without awareness telling us to correct their 100 year old spelling mistake, lol.
 

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More importantly Seeds how can you be this angry with the catters winning? Have a beer, watch the game, jump the missus, and relax
How would you feel if you were charged 60 thousand dollars for a service other people get for 10 thousand? And on top of that you paid 160 thousand in taxes and were still treated as a pariah in your community. Your wife comes home crying because she effectively works for free. Society would rather she not use her skills she spent 8 years at uni developing and instead be a housewife. A backlash is brewing. People arent going to take it much longer.
 

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Subsidising wages of jobs they think are womens jobs. Wtf? People realise the increases the burden on tax payers right?
I don't think this is an accurate assessment. They are promising a subsidy for childcare workers, which they are characterising as a gender wage gap issue to court the female vote. But in reality, this is a productivity issue and has needed to be addressed for a long time. The economics of childcare currently just don't add up - workers are paid a pittance and the cost is still prohibitive to getting carers back into the workforce.

Some unions have taken this as an opportunity to wedge Shorten about extending the subsidy to other female-dominated professions, but I get the impression he doesn't want a bar of that. He just can't explicitly say so.

They are planning on adding pay equity requirements to the FWC's criteria for assessing pay rises (which I think is moronic) but that's not a subsidy issue.
 
How would you feel if you were charged 60 thousand dollars for a service other people get for 10 thousand? And on top of that you paid 160 thousand in taxes and were still treated as a pariah in your community. Your wife comes home crying because she effectively works for free. Society would rather she not use her skills she spent 8 years at uni developing and instead be a housewife. A backlash is brewing. People arent going to take it much longer.

These sorts of policies aren't directed towards women who have spent eight years studying for a high level job.

They are for the women who have worked reception or office administration and feel like they could have held that high level job but for a clearer run at it that doesn't involve the hard work, personal sacrifice or responsibility for choices made.

That you can do anything and have everything is the greatest and ultimately most damaging myth sold to young women.

That we can be defined by our work is unhealthy, but I think it will do for men's mental health for the time being. It gives them purpose.
 
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They are planning on adding pay equity requirements to the FWC's criteria for assessing pay rises (which I think is moronic) but that's not a subsidy issue.

Would I be wrong in assuming that women dominated professions are highly represented on the bill for government?

Nursing, teaching etc might not be federal but the end bill is held by the government. Unless they want to move all hospitals and schools to private.
 

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Would I be wrong in assuming that women dominated professions are highly represented on the bill for government?

Nursing, teaching etc might not be federal but the end bill is held by the government. Unless they want to move all hospitals and schools to private.
Salary determinations by an independent commission are not subsidies.
 

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In no known universe did you even remotely make the case that socialism equals “stealing from the hard work and talents of others.” Risible and delusional.
What are your thoughts on the premise that money is a substitute for work, allowing you to trade your work for the work of others that allows society to specialise their abilities and not all spend our time hunting and gathering?
 
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In no known universe did you even remotely make the case that socialism equals “stealing from the hard work and talents of others.” Risible and delusional.
Yes I did. You clearly dont understand the answer. Socialism is theft unless it prooves that low income workers are underpaid. Not only did I explain they are not underpaid but as a result of our progressive tax redistribution system I suggested they are overpaid. Even without any progressive tax system you can argue they are overpaid given wages go up when there is more and better capital to use. So yes our system has theft from the capital creators and high income earners to the low income earners and poor.


I think low income earners should be overpaid to a degree for utilitarian purposes. I.e. I actually advocate some theft as the marginal utility gains of an extra dollar for low income earners is greater then those with lots of wealth (many will disagree with me on this point and call me a socialist). Despite my advocacy for this I still know its theft. Socialists take the theft to a whole other level and make it rampant and extreme.
 
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Yes great you like stealing from the hard work and talents of others. Great morals you have there.
Menzies was an amateur when it comes to socialism. Both major parties today are full on socialists. *, Palmer is probably the biggest if you believe his policies.
 
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The only almost correct thing you wrote, in that wall of rambling incoherent nonsense. And it took some editing.
Its incoherent to the uneducated. Unlike other fields where most people listen to the educated, economics is one where people only listen to those who support their uneducated self serving views.


And you support socialism with no capital? Even cavemen had capital. Monkeys as well. Basically you are asking for the death of billions if you want a world without capital and for humans to act like dogs.

And you sit there and wonder why people fear socialism?
 
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Why the hell do childcare workers deserve a pay rise and not say the very poorly paid aged care care workers?
The basis behind it is to support mothers to re-enter the workforce as I understand it.
Aged care workers are poorly paid I agree but that doesn't seem to be the primary basis of the policy.
 

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