Traded Lachie Schultz [Traded to Collingwood for #34 and F1]

[Pistol Night]

When was the last player that said "Nah just trade me to any club".... They obviously have the most interest and rate him.

Exactly. Why the **** everyone is playing dumb on this all of a sudden in amusing

 

[TakingThePies]

Exactly. Why the * everyone is playing dumb on this all of a sudden in amusing

Look at the freo supporters and their comments last year for Jackson.. It's geniunely amusing.

It's like clubs actively all year long do List Management.

 

[Apex36]

Exactly. Why the * everyone is playing dumb on this all of a sudden in amusing

It happens every year. Players come out and ask for a trade home, be it to Victoria or any other state, they nominate a club and then the mouth breathers come out and complain “WhY cAn’T hE jUsT gO To AnY cLuB???”

Bet Freo fans weren’t saying that 12 months ago when Jackson nominated the Dockers over WC.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Yes as a consequence of being one of the few players we had coming out of contract that we wanted to keep when COVID hit and list sizes were reduced. Had no choice, was that or delist a player we clearly wanted to keep.
I also understand you can increase a rookie wage by $80,000 without it going into salary cap so was possibly a way to increase his pay at the same time.
Agree though that since then we should have locked him away.
We have reportedly been trying to since early this year however he obviously had other options in front of him and hadn’t signed.
Allen and first round pick at minimum for mine, would prefer this years and next’s (both picks in the 20’s) plus Allen but would settle for one.
We really don’t need young players (draft picks), have an absolute truck load of them. What we need are 25 yr old mature bodies playing well ( Shultz)
No need to fold on this one, he is contracted, Pies have offered a 5 year deal to a contracted player, they are going to have to pay up.


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LMAO. Hilarious, start to finish

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Lachie is actually the nephew of a very good family friend, so I’ve paid pretty close attention to him for the past few years. He is a very good player. I’d be happy for Collingwood to give up our first rounder for him and there’s not many small forwards in the comp I’d say that about.
The message coming from Freo fans here is “Lachie is the bestest small forward ever and you’re going to have to pay the same sort of currency you’d expect for an A grade mid if you want him!”

For reference, Charlie Cameron was trade to Brisbane in 2017 for pick 12. He was 2 years younger than Lachie is now, had similar numbers (very slightly lower), but also was capable of doing things only a handful of players in the comp could do. It’s that massive X factor and age that Charlie possessed that made him so valuable. By the time he was Lachies age, he was a 50+ goal small forward, and nobody was surprised he reached those heights. It’s unlikely that Schultz will ever reach those heights. He’s a rung below, and there’s no shame in that. Our first is around the right value.

Collingwood pay what Freo are prepared to lose him for, not what everyone deems fair. He's a required player who is contracted for next year, Charlie Cameron is a terrible trade comparison because looking back, the crows wouldn't do that deal again, he was contracted as well iirc. If it comes to a stalemate there's the chance other clubs can look at it.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

It happens every year. Players come out and ask for a trade home, be it to Victoria or any other state, they nominate a club and then the mouth breathers come out and complain “WhY cAn’T hE jUsT gO To AnY cLuB???”

Bet Freo fans weren’t saying that 12 months ago when Jackson nominated the Dockers over WC.

Jackson was out of contract and Melbourne had an idea he was leaving. Schulz has sprung this on Freo. 2 completely different situations.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

A lot of Pies fans defensive in regards to Allan, sure he's contracted, but he's also a youngster who's never played a game, his trade value isn't exactly high, I don't think they're in much of a place to argue.

Then why are you pining for him?

His trade value would be what we paid for him in the open market only a year ago. I wouldn’t even do Allan for Schultz as a straight swap considering our list composition, let alone using Allan as a set of steak knives.

 

[Jeremias]

Then why are you pining for him?

His trade value would be what we paid for him in the open market only a year ago. I wouldn’t even do Allan for Schultz as a straight swap considering our list composition, let alone using Allan as a set of steak knives.

The draft is an open market? I wouldn't have thought so.

 

[MadMundy]

Then why are you pining for him?

His trade value would be what we paid for him in the open market only a year ago. I wouldn’t even do Allan for Schultz as a straight swap considering our list composition, let alone using Allan as a set of steak knives.

90% of rookies don't have any trade value, that doesn't mean we don't see him becoming something good.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

The draft is an open market? I wouldn't have thought so.

In the sense that a player’s value is directly correlated to where a club bids for them, considering the pool of available players.

If anything, it’s more an open market than any other player acquisition method.

 

[waynopie]

It’s a done deal, he will be a pies player by the end of the trade period.

People getting red in the face for no reason.

 

[Apex36]

Collingwood pay what Freo are prepared to lose him for, not what everyone deems fair. He's a required player who is contracted for next year, Charlie Cameron is a terrible trade comparison because looking back, the crows wouldn't do that deal again, he was contracted as well iirc. If it comes to a stalemate there's the chance other clubs can look at it.

Collingwood will pay a fair price. Wright is a good operator and respected amongst the AFL list management community. You can sit there at your keyboard and act like a hero all you like in regards to talking tough on trade price, but it won’t change anything.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

90% of rookies don't have any trade value, that doesn't mean we don't see him becoming something good.

Oh yeah but clearly you’re the only ones that do. Everyone else, especially the club that prioritised drafting him, clearly think he’s trash.

The trade value is more closely tied to what was paid for them than at basically any other time in their career. The further removed you get and the bigger the body the work assembled, the higher the degree of deviation.

You aren’t pining for him because you think he’s shit. He clearly has significant value.

 

[Apex36]

Jackson was out of contract and Melbourne had an idea he was leaving. Schulz has sprung this on Freo. 2 completely different situations.

That is completely irrelevant tbh.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Freo supporters are acting like Collingwood can’t walk away if their demands are as ridiculous or excessive. You do not hold the whip hand - no side does.

 

[Sully90]

It happens every year. Players come out and ask for a trade home, be it to Victoria or any other state, they nominate a club and then the mouth breathers come out and complain “WhY cAn’T hE jUsT gO To AnY cLuB???”

Bet Freo fans weren’t saying that 12 months ago when Jackson nominated the Dockers over WC.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure why you're using Jackson as an example. He nominated Dockers pretty late in the piece and Freo ended up putting up more that what Eagles were willing to anyway.

 

[Sully90]

That is completely irrelevant tbh.

What? It's completely relevant

 

[waynopie]

Can someone please start a ‘welcome to Collingwood’ thread somewhere for lachie.

 

[stormskye]

Where’s the outrage for hill nominating the saints? That’s what I thought

 

[Jeremias]

Where’s the outrage for hill nominating the saints? That’s what I thought

Who is hill?

 

[Apex36]

The draft is an open market? I wouldn't have thought so.

Closest thing to an open market we have, albeit a compromised one. Clubs go out shopping for youngsters and pay what they think the kids are worth with their picks. Sometimes they get a bargain, sometimes they buy a lemon. Generally the price holds firm or increases in the first 12 months unless something drastic happens.

 

[Swanssince91]

Schultz

Freo supporters are acting like Collingwood can’t walk away if their demands are as ridiculous or excessive. You do not hold the whip hand - no side does.

He's contracted, they do...

 

[nut]

Freo losing 2-3 players a year must be a concern

 

[Swanssince91]

And the bigfooty trade gurus want a first rounder plus player for that output.

Contracted

 

[theGav56]

* me, Allan doesn't want to leave, Shultz does. How it that hard to comprehend?

Acres didn't want to leave the Saints either.

The point is the Pies have to make the play and that looks like bettering FA compensation.

Mediocre draft picks in an ordinary draft isn't going to make a compelling case to accept the trade, and Fremantle have a history of holding in-contract players in those circumstances.