Player Watch Lachie Schultz

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I'm starting to get concussion reading this thread

 

[Bianconeri]

We know they lied because the statement was released on the weekend and the footage was released on Monday.

The umpires didn’t release a statement only Kane did. How do we know what Kane said was true?

How could they wait for something they didn’t know existed?

AFL umps are mic’s up. How the hell did they not know it existed?

In a scenario like that you’ve got to weigh a quick response against the possibility the umpires lied and Kane did the right thing by trusting her employees.

This assumes Kane truthful reported what the umpires said.

From my perspective there must be limited management experience in this thread based on some of the commentary.

From my perspective you’ve got to make a lot of assumptions to think the umpires lied.

 

[Scodog10]

The umpires didn’t release a statement only Kane did. How do we know what Kane said was true?


AFL umps are mic’s up. How the hell did they not know it existed?


This assumes Kane truthful reported what the umpires said.


From my perspective you’ve got to make a lot of assumptions to think the umpires lied.

Jeez you’ve got it in for Kane because none of this is actually taking into consideration a manager subordinate situation so I’m out

Just to reinforce though that all 4 it remembering the most topical incident of the week after one exclaimed “oh” when they saw Schultz stagger while exiting the field is preposterous, IMO.

 

[sr36]

I only reckon they are perceived to be on the nose by footy nuffs - me being one - who devour footy media.

The reality with the afl is that as much time as they have to spend defending/discussing week to week issues like Rioli & Schultz, that isn’t where their true focus lies.

The big picture is all about broadcasting deals, game development etc. It’s very much a waste of time to have senior execs discuss umpiring decisions- but that is the life they have chosen.

Agree with you in general, but think that this issue - perceptions of umpiring standards - cuts through well beyond us hard core nuffies.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

I reckon 90% of supporters would have accepted an explanation from the AFL that went along the lines of 'the umpires knew the player was injured and kept an eye on him to ensure that the play didn't enter the area he was in. In hinsight, we might have done things better...'

Instead they straight up BSd their way through this treating the supporters with utter contempt. That is what, I suspect, is annoying so many, so deeply.

 

[sr36]

The AFL is a corporate enterprise. They are not a government body or public service organisation. They will behave as such and protect their brand and revenue streams. They are not answerable to the general public. Of course they are going to 'spin' any situation for their own advantage and try to maintain a public image. If a club is unhappy about how they or one of their players have been treated there are avenues for them to debate this with the AFL hierarchy. But at the end of the day, the AFL is owned by the clubs, and the clubs will influence the AFL's behaviour.
Don't expect a public referendum on this, or any other issue.

For spin to be effective and protect the brand, it needs to be effective spin. This wasn't and none of their spin in the rhealm of umpiring has been effective. Need to change tack.

 

[Bianconeri]

Jeez you’ve got it in for Kane because none of this is actually taking into consideration a manager subordinate situation so I’m out

Just to reinforce though that all 4 it remembering the most topical incident of the week after one exclaimed “oh” when they saw Schultz stagger while exiting the field is preposterous, IMO.

I’m neither here nor there for Kane and imo she’s played this situation beautifully. She’s successfully moved the conversation away from whether the AFL’s concussion protocols are sufficient. Here we are talking about ethereal the umpires liars or not.

I just don’t see why 4 umpires would lie about forgetting the most topical incident of the week when they’re mic’d up and the truth wasn’t that damning.

 

[sr36]

I’m neither here nor there for Kane and imo she’s played this situation beautifully.

Don't agree. Umpiring standards is a big issue amongst footy fans and they now look more incompetent and worse still, dishonest. Not good work.

 

[noideaatall]

Don't agree. Umpiring standards is a big issue amongst footy fans and they now look more incompetent and worse still, dishonest. Not good work.

I thought, as a pies supporter, it is an accepted truth umpires are incompetent? Now we know they are incompetent liars.

 

[Apex36]

Potting the leaders for the blatant lying of field umpires is a bit of a stretch! AFL house is definitely not infallible, but Kane didn’t have access to that footage when the initial statement was released and took the word of the umpires. What else could they have done??

I don’t believe for a second that Kane didn’t have access to the footage, or that the umpires lied to her. They tried to cover it up and now they’re throwing the umpires under the bus to cover themselves.

 

[sr36]

AFL and spin go together

There the Warneys of communication.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

How do we know the field umpires lied?

If we assume Laura is telling the truth, her statement was that the umpires had initially told them they didn’t see the incident

The audio proves they did

So either the umpires are lying, or Laura is

I’m inclined to lean more towards the umpires. But maybe that’s just me

 

[Stumpy Pete]

I don’t believe for a second that Kane didn’t have access to the footage, or that the umpires lied to her. They tried to cover it up and now they’re throwing the umpires under the bus to cover themselves.

Agree with this. AFL are looking to do the umps over but I doubt they will stand for it. They are painting these guys as incompetent and a risk to player wellbeing the umpires will respond.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[Stumpy Pete]

If we assume Laura is telling the truth, her statement was that the umpires had initially told them they didn’t see the incident

The audio proves they did

So either the umpires are lying, or Laura is

I’m inclined to lean more towards the umpires. But maybe that’s just me

AFL trying to play this very cleverly. If you read across the two media statements they can be read as “the umpires could not recall seeing the incident” - which I reckon is garbage.

Personally I reckon the AFL have instructed umpires to wait for advice on when to stop the game and the process for who provides that advice and how it gets communicated to umpires either failed or is yet to be settled.

Regards

S. Pete

 

[domus]

I don’t believe for a second that Kane didn’t have access to the footage, or that the umpires lied to her. They tried to cover it up and now they’re throwing the umpires under the bus to cover themselves.

I agree. They know they have umpire audio for every game. All they had to do was have a listen to thirty seconds of that game and they'd have the facts at their disposal.

 

[domus]

AFL trying to play this very cleverly. If you read across the two media statements they can be read as “the umpires could not recall seeing the incident” - which I reckon is garbage.

Personally I reckon the AFL have instructed umpires to wait for advice on when to stop the game and the process for who provides that advice and how it gets communicated to umpires either failed or is yet to be settled.

Regards

S. Pete

Are they seriously expecting us to believe the umpires forgot about Shoota being knocked out in the last term of a game they'd just umpired and discussed while it happened?

 

[jmac70]

It's already a non story.

And I hope we don't say anything otherwise we'll get crucified by the umpires.

If the club says anything, then Fly can say one of those things he says about our players.....strive to be the best version of ourselves / always learning.....blah blah blah.

According to Eddie, Dillon has launched an investigation.

 

[Vicky Park]

So Laura Kane's appointment was clearly a case of virtue signalling? Why can't we just hire the person best capable of doing the job!

Was wondering when we’d get to this. Utter nonsense.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Was wondering when we’d get to this. Utter nonsense.

regardless of the persons sex, do you think the game is better run since Kane was appointed?

 

[TW Sherrin]

If we assume Laura is telling the truth, her statement was that the umpires had initially told them they didn’t see the incident

The audio proves they did

So either the umpires are lying, or Laura is

I’m inclined to lean more towards the umpires. But maybe that’s just me

regardless of who said what, why wouldn't you check the video and audio before going on record? it would probably take less than 10 minutes total.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

regardless of who said what, why wouldn't you check the video and audio before going on record? it would probably take less than 10 minutes total.

I guess because they didn’t expect 4 umpires to lie to them?

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

Bucks on Whateley this morning got it wrong.
Victim blamed Collingwood coaches/medical.
Said the umpires had no case to answer....

 

[TW Sherrin]

I guess because they didn’t expect 4 umpires to lie to them?

SEN had a text saying the umpires were waiting on a call from an off field observer but it never happened.

there are a few angles here about who said what.

Did the umpires actually say they never say it or are they beign thrown under the bus from someone else?

 

[Kes1984]

Bucks on Whateley this morning got it wrong.
Victim blamed Collingwood coaches/medical.
Said the umpires had no case to answer....

I was barely listening - but didn't like what I did catch of it.

I expect better from Buckley. He was oddly very critical of Collingwood for this. I believe they did try to call for a stretcher but play wasn't stopped and they quickly tried to remove him from the field. This was not on Collingwood.

Damning evidence against the AFL - to hear them in the comms, all discussing the injured player that they had first claimed not to see. Whether umpires lied or AFL did, this was poorly handled.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

SEN had a text saying the umpires were waiting on a call from an off field observer but it never happened.

there are a few angles here about who said what.

Did the umpires actually say they never say it or are they beign thrown under the bus from someone else?

As I said earlier.

If we assume Laura is telling the truth, their initial statement was that the umpires “didn’t recall seeing the incident”

So, the umpires lied or Laura lied