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Prediction Lachlan Keeffe

How many games will Keeffe play next year?

  • 0

    Votes: 16 19.0%

  • 1-5

    Votes: 28 33.3%

  • 6-10

    Votes: 18 21.4%

  • 10-15

    Votes: 14 16.7%

  • 15+

    Votes: 7 8.3%

  • All games

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Total voters
    84

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Pie eyed said:
A two year ban did not?

"Send a message to the playing group" is a really nauseatingly overused and much abuse phrase, which when you think of it should be replaced by "get the players to conform to my thinking" in most posts.
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Pert didn't think so, as of March this year.

"I honestly thought this would be something that would fundamentally change the attitudes and behaviour of all sportspeople, not only AFL footballers," Pert said.

"For a short period of time it had shock value, but as a long-term solution to this high priority, [player behaviour] has not fundamentally changed."
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Chief Ten Beers said:
Pert didn't think so, as of March this year.
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I'm on record not agreeing with the club becoming an "drug watch dog" on behalf of the Government.
Pert is saying what many people think is the right thing.
I don't. Drugs are a medical problem for the addict not a criminal problem. No more or less than alcoholism or depression.
You may very well disagree but I don't care as I know that the current "losing war" on drugs is not the answer and never will be.
 
What players do in their private lives is none of our business.
If they use cocaine then they use cocaine. If they take ekkies then they take ekkies. If they smoke pot then they smoke pot. If they enjoy a beer then they enjoy a beer. We have no right to interfere in peoples private lives.
As professionals they have a duty to make sure they are physically fit to play to their best possible standards. If what they are doing does not compromise this then butt out.
 
Pie eyed said:
I don't. Drugs are a medical problem for the addict not a criminal problem. No more or less than alcoholism or depression.You may very well disagree but I don't care as I know that the current "losing war" on drugs is not the answer and never will be.
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That's quite an impressive post, it has nothing at all whatsoever to do with Pert's quote.
 

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ottoman said:
What players do in their private lives is none of our business.
If they use cocaine then they use cocaine. If they take ekkies then they take ekkies. If they smoke pot then they smoke pot. If they enjoy a beer then they enjoy a beer. We have no right to interfere in peoples private lives.
As professionals they have a duty to make sure they are physically fit to play to their best possible standards. If what they are doing does not compromise this then butt out.
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More or less. People have to remember they weren't banned for taking cocaine. That offence without the clem cut in would have resulted in an anonymous first strike. I continue to be amazed at people confusing the two issues.
 
Pie eyed said:
A two year ban did not?

"Send a message to the playing group" is a really nauseatingly overused and much abuse phrase, which when you think of it should be replaced by "get the players to conform to my thinking" in most posts.
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Clearly the two year ban didn't have much affect on player attitudes. Keeffe and Thomas were punished by ASADA. What punishment did they receive from the club?
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
What punishment did the club give Steele Sidebottom for striking early in the season?
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That's a poor comparison. Keeffe and Thomas were reportedly out getting shit faced on the eve of the season.
 
jmac70 said:
That's a poor comparison. Keeffe and Thomas were reportedly out getting shit faced on the eve of the season.
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And they were punished with a two year suspension. Its quite a good comparison, regardless of the degrees of the offences.

The authorities have punished them. Its nonsensical for the club to punish them any further just as it would ne nonsensical to suspend Sidebottom for getting suspended. They got a two year suspension for taking what normally would attract a first strike.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
And they were punished with a two year suspension. Its quite a good comparison, regardless of the degrees of the offences.

The authorities have punished them. Its nonsensical for the club to punish them any further. They got a two year suspension for taking what normally would attract a first strike.
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They got a two year ban for taking PEDs. What was their punishment for being wasted during preseason training?
 

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35Daicos said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-14/is-this-the-missing-piece-in-the-pies-puzzle

In 2014, Keeffe made a significant difference to the Magpies' lineup. In the 18 games he played, Collingwood allowed 82.6 points per game and won nine of those contests.

Interestingly, in the three games Keeffe was left in the VFL, the Pies conceded 97.3 points per game and lost two of those matches.

A deeper look at the numbers highlights the positive trajectory Keeffe's career was heading in and the way he fitted snugly into Buckley's side.

From 2012-14, Keeffe defended in 92 one-on-one contests and lost just 18.5 per cent of the time. That ranked him 10th in the competition of the top-100 defenders for contests defended, according to Champion Data.

In 36 matches across three seasons, Keeffe never conceded more than three goals to any opponent.
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Its his long arms IMO, it allows him to get a spoil in even if he out of position or trailing his opponent.
 
Jelly Bean said:
The weird thing here is that Keeffe wasn't going to be used as a defender if the sanction never happened, he was being lined up as the third tall / ruck relief (the role that Gault played for a bit this year and last year, and that Cox currently plays).
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At that time Moore was still training with the backline. My guess is he would have spudded it up in the forwardline and they would have eventually moved to the backline.
 
sr36 said:
I don't get it how someone who virtually boasts about excessive alcohol consumption can be so righteous about other drug use.
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I don't care what they are anybody else chooses to do in their own time. My position on this topic is quite simple, the players should have been delisted permanently because they are convicted drug cheats.
 

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Finnishpie said:
Anyone know what those two boys -- Thomas and Keeffe -- doing to train?
Two years out is a massive length of time.
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I've said this before, but its not just training they have missed out on, and fitness may be the least of their problems. Scharenberg, by comparison, has missed a lot of footy due to injury, but has remained within the structure of the club and all that brings in terms of management and personal and professional development. He would have attended meetings and education sessions; been exposed to strategy and team building; taught the evolving game plan; learnt how his team mates play, etc, etc. I really think Keeffe and Thomas will struggle to catch up after missing two years of exposure to all of that.
 
mike123 said:
At that time Moore was still training with the backline. My guess is he would have spudded it up in the forwardline and they would have eventually moved to the backline.
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Exactly! He looked terrible every time he was played forward. Had no idea and is not a contested mark player. He's not a natural forward but he's shown he can be a very effective backman.. not sure why we'd ever bother trialing him forward again given our need for more KPD's.
 
ottoman said:
What players do in their private lives is none of our business.
If they use cocaine then they use cocaine. If they take ekkies then they take ekkies. If they smoke pot then they smoke pot. If they enjoy a beer then they enjoy a beer. We have no right to interfere in peoples private lives.
As professionals they have a duty to make sure they are physically fit to play to their best possible standards. If what they are doing does not compromise this then butt out.
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But it does compromise your physical state if you are training and playing at an elite level. The club has a right to expect the players do not compromise their physical state and that includes any off season drug use that could lead to addictive use which then does affect their in season physical state.
 
Vicky Park said:
I've said this before, but its not just training they have missed out on, and fitness may be the least of their problems. Scharenberg, by comparison, has missed a lot of footy due to injury, but has remained within the structure of the club and all that brings in terms of management and personal and professional development. He would have attended meetings and education sessions; been exposed to strategy and team building; taught the evolving game plan; learnt how his team mates play, etc, etc. I really think Keeffe and Thomas will struggle to catch up after missing two years of exposure to all of that.
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Some of the effects you mention will take time to pick back up (if at all), others can be picked up pretty quickly by the right individual, even if alien to the game eg Mason Cox.

Just a left field suggestion - I wouldn't mind if Keeffe especially played some basketball during his ban to help his onfield awareness, guys like Pendles and I believe Cox have spoken of the benefit for their footy and I suspect their ban wouldn't preclude them from such involvement.
 
Lefthanded said:
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Just a left field suggestion - I wouldn't mind if Keeffe especially played some basketball during his ban to help his onfield awareness, guys like Pendles and I believe Cox have spoken of the benefit for their footy and I suspect their ban wouldn't preclude them from such involvement.
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Not sure he would be allowed to.
I think the ban includes all sports
 
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