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forwardflanker said:
Frost is never going to play as the first choice mid/3rd tall defender as long as Toovey is on the list and he's going to be even less likely now that we have Scharenberg.

His position is really only full back and that's going to involve displacing Brown or Keefe as best 22. Tbh I think Frost's potential as an AFL player is at about Brown's level. Frost might even be more valuable to us imo since with his footpace complements Keefe (who should be our no.1 defender) better. A really ruthless but effective play would have been to trade out Brown last season while he still had quite a bit of currency. With a good run of injuries this year we are going to see some pretty good quality defenders running around in the magoos.
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Think you have greatly underrated the worth of Brown here. Suicidal team management to consider trading out an established good AFL full back in the hope that a kid off the rookie list with about 2 games experience will pair successfully with your 22 game CHB. Brown is much better than that.
 
Gone Critical said:
Think you have greatly underrated the worth of Brown here. Suicidal team management to consider trading out an established good AFL full back in the hope that a kid off the rookie list with about 2 games experience will pair successfully with your 22 game CHB. Brown is much better than that.
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Have to agree. Brown is the closest thing we have to a full back and the only defender able to play on the big strong forwards of the competition. To suggest we should have traded him last year is ignoring the limitations and strengths of our defence.
 
Manic Magpie said:
Have to agree. Brown is the closest thing we have to a full back and the only defender able to play on the big strong forwards of the competition. To suggest we should have traded him last year is ignoring the limitations and strengths of our defence.
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If he's available for Hawkins in 2011 we have 16 flags :mad:
 
Gone Critical said:
Think you have greatly underrated the worth of Brown here. Suicidal team management to consider trading out an established good AFL full back in the hope that a kid off the rookie list with about 2 games experience will pair successfully with your 22 game CHB. Brown is much better than that.
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Manic Magpie said:
Have to agree. Brown is the closest thing we have to a full back and the only defender able to play on the big strong forwards of the competition. To suggest we should have traded him last year is ignoring the limitations and strengths of our defence.
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What I was saying was heavily based on the assumption that Reid plays at CHB and is where I think it should play. If Reid does play CHB then we have as our defenders:

1. Reid
2. Keefe
3. Brown
4. Frost

What I was effectively saying was that it's very unlikely we play with 3 tall defenders in the 22(especially if Toovey gets back 100%) and that Keefe is probably a better defender than Brown. Either way though if Reid lines up down back we are probably going to have one quality AFL level defender playing seconds.

Part of the reason why it would be a good trade is because Brown is a good AFL quality KPD who would have a lot of value on the market. On the other side of things Frost showed enough in the few games he played this season to be at the very least a solid back up for Keefe & Reid. Frost has 0 trade value for obvious reasons and Keefe probably has less than Brown though I think he is the better player

It looks increasingly likely to me that Reid is playing forward this season and if that's the case then trading Brown out is definitely a bad move. It all depends on what we do with Reid.
 

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Manic Magpie said:
Have to agree. Brown is the closest thing we have to a full back and the only defender able to play on the big strong forwards of the competition. To suggest we should have traded him last year is ignoring the limitations and strengths of our defence.
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Keefe is a better defender than Brown and since both of them provide nothing on the rebound you are actually creating or further exposing a limitation to our defense that we don't really want.

Our crap defensive rebound was close to the biggest structural problem with the team in 2013. Most of the blame should go with the medium and little defenders but having tall defenders who offer nothing on the rebound doesn't help. Additionally that we have one of the best rebounding tall defenders in the comp and elect to not play him in that position is not very good imo.
 
forwardflanker said:
What I was saying was heavily based on the assumption that Reid plays at CHB and is where I think it should play. If Reid does play CHB then we have as our defenders:

1. Reid
2. Keefe
3. Brown
4. Frost

What I was effectively saying was that it's very unlikely we play with 3 tall defenders in the 22(especially if Toovey gets back 100%) and that Keefe is probably a better defender than Brown. Either way though if Reid lines up down back we are probably going to have one quality AFL level defender playing seconds.

Part of the reason why it would be a good trade is because Brown is a good AFL quality KPD who would have a lot of value on the market. On the other side of things Frost showed enough in the few games he played this season to be at the very least a solid back up for Keefe & Reid. Frost has 0 trade value for obvious reasons and Keefe probably has less than Brown though I think he is the better player

It looks increasingly likely to me that Reid is playing forward this season and if that's the case then trading Brown out is definitely a bad move. It all depends on what we do with Reid.
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If Reid was a permanent fixture down back it's a little different but at a minimum after watching his forward play you would want him in a swing an role. He is a bone fide goal scorer and a beautiful kick for goal. In that situation I would still see a place for 3 of the 4 in the team leaving Frost as a backup. If one of them gets injured we are running on empty. With Frost I think we need to see him do a bit in the seniors before deciding if he is adequate back up. Like the look of him but he is far from established

However I see Reid being primarily a forward next year as our best set up so Brown is even more vital. I think the Cloke/Reid/White or Lynch set up will be formidable for a whole season. Can rival our starting midfield as our biggest strength. Over a season Cloke and Reid can mean we have 2 of the top 10 KPFs in the comp in the one forward line. Both can end up high on the goal kicking lists and split defences giving our forward line a new found freedom.
 
forwardflanker said:
Keefe is a better defender than Brown and since both of them provide nothing on the rebound you are actually creating or further exposing a limitation to our defense that we don't really want.

Our crap defensive rebound was close to the biggest structural problem with the team in 2013. Most of the blame should go with the medium and little defenders but having tall defenders who offer nothing on the rebound doesn't help. Additionally that we have one of the best rebounding tall defenders in the comp and elect to not play him in that position is not very good imo.
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I am not sure I agree Keefe provides no rebounding potential either. He has only played 22 games and shown something on the rebound. It will develop more as he grows into his role in the same way it did with Reid. Think Reid 2010 v 2011. I see Keefe as having much more similarity to Reid than Brown. Both are beautiful kicks also which Brown isn't
 
Gone Critical said:
I am not sure I agree Keefe provides no rebounding potential either.
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I am 100% sure I totally disagree. For his size he looks to be a very creative player with ball in hand, certainly the potential of Reid and miles ahead of Brown whose job is more as the traditional "blanket" on the goalsquare gorilla.
 
I want to see Reid kept up forward and swung back to defence by choice rather than by neccessity. The only problem with that plan is that we lack another key defensive option behind Keefe Brown and Reid. So will be looking forward to other players putting their hands up for this role. Frost is one...do we have any other key defenders on the list?
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
I want to see Reid kept up forward and swung back to defence by choice rather than by neccessity. The only problem with that plan is that we lack another key defensive option behind Keefe Brown and Reid. So will be looking forward to other players putting their hands up for this role. Frost is one...do we have any other key defenders on the list?
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Gault?

:eek::eek:
 

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Timmy from Thomastown said:
Exactly, although isnt he meant to be a forward?

Oxley? Or not quite big enough?

Has Jesse White ever played back?
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I think the plans for White around key forward / ruck are more important. An even more interesting question might be can Lynch (if we were desperate)? Has sufficient mobility and strength.
 
With key forwards you need key forward talent. Keeffe doesn't have that and it's not something that is frequently developed. Fortunately down back he's excellent already and this year he has the opportunity to have a Rory Thompson level breakout year which if it happens would be a great result.
 
Reid had played about as many games as Keeffe has now before the 2010 season.

I am very bullish about Keeffe, who is a super height for someone so mobile. Reads the game well.
 
I see Keeffe as a 22 game CHB in 2014. I was very impressed with him in 2012 before he went down. But he was superb when he came into the team last season. I even had neutrals bring him up in conversations with me as someone who they were impressed by. And its important not to forget he was coming off a knee last season. An uninterrupted 2014 will see him develop very nicely, hopefully becoming more ready to be a key cog in our next real tilt at the top.
 

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Mkcaptain said:
I see Keeffe as a 22 game CHB in 2014. I was very impressed with him in 2012 before he went down. But he was superb when he came into the team last season. I even had neutrals bring him up in conversations with me as someone who they were impressed by. And its important not to forget he was coming off a knee last season. An uninterrupted 2014 will see him develop very nicely, hopefully becoming more ready to be a key cog in our next real tilt at the top.
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That sums it up for me. The next real tilt begins a few months from now
 
Gone Critical said:
That sums it up for me. The next real tilt begins a few months from now
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Agreed - lots of posters really do disregard our horrific injury run, quite apart from the injury to the player and the time it takes to get back and match fit there is the time to get match sharp which is a factor often ignored. Add to this the disruptive effect on team balance which has been almost constant for over 2 years and you have a recipe for bottom 8 finishes.

It's to the coaching and support teams everlasting credit that we have remained in the hunt as much as we have.

With the (fingers crossed) tantalizing prospect of a virtually injury free pre-season and the possibility of returning stars getting some real consecutive game miles into their bodies we are MUCH more well placed than most realize.
 
mattys123 said:
I still believe he also has the ability to play forward, as long as he's actually given time up there and not thrown there out of the blue like he was in the elimination final.

I can see games this year where Reid may be the better option at CHB and Keeffe may be asked to play as that third forward alongside Cloke and Jesse.

He's a large part of our future for sure though.
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I think he be the Perfect Forward/Ruck type
 

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