'Lack of Intent'

[kerr87]

It's Hurn FFS. Not all of it but a large part of it. I've been saying it for years (no medal) required. The rot starts with the captain

He is the absolute worst type of on field leader. Spineless and devout of anything inspirational (his once a season hits on Boak and Franklin considered) He certainly doesn't play with any passion as far as i can tell. Does it look like he cares about winning to you? Does he come across as someone who hates losing (like a Nelson, Yeo or Shuey) Do you spot several acts of desperation which onlookers simply cannot ignore? Because i sure as hell can't.

Nothing against the man, but like I've said all along, he needs to just concentrate on getting the football and distributing it properly, that's it. Preferably forward of center. It's not like teams are tagging him anymore like it's 2010. When is his elite kick even noticed in a game of footy, other than when he's kicking out form a behind? Never, because he doesn't use it. Nowadays he's just an average footballer who miraculously just so happens to be captain of a club because they had no options at the time and are now too weak and resistant to change to try something different.

We need a leader who is consistently inspiring his teammates and doing his job. Week in, week out. Shuey has been this man for the past 3 seasons

Anyone with a brain can see Shuey should have been the man to captain us in 2017.

100%.

Goes under the radar so much.

He should be impacting games so much more but doesn't.

Should be leading on-field more as well. Probably just his personality type but there is ZERO urgency/desire etc. in his eyes.

When I saw his face running out at the 2015 Grand Final I knew we would lose. Looked like a stunned mullet. We were already defeated mentally and it starts at the top.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

In every single year of football Ive ever seen finals bring a much higher intensity than the majority of the home and away season.

We now know without any uncertainty that our current game plan and soft natured players are unable to step up to the plate.
Wether its at the G against a side that has been getting flogged or a do or die final at home against a much younger, smaller side that was missing a few of its best players.

Every time we will fail and look soft and slow while doing it. Certain players will be blamed (we're all guily of this) and we will all melt in disappointment but until changes are made expect more of the same.

The uncontested nature and space given to players by the web is it's greatest strength and also its greatest down fall.
At home against the poorer teams a McGovern mark in the backline quickly turns into a shot on goal as the ball is moved swiftly through the hands of our loose players who were guarding space moments earlier.
Against the better sides this lack of pressure and accountability of the web is a gift.

It is not a gameplan that stands up to real pressure and intensity and it certainly doesn't suit the MCG which is a problem considering you have to win there to grab a flag.

One would think after the taste we got from the GF two years a go that we would only get better at the G and have a genuine hunger and want to play well there.

Unfortunately the opposite has occurred and without anything magically changing in the next few months this group will always be known as flat track bullies and rightfully so.

Its time to try different things and ask all the hard questions or die wondering.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

That's why I was pleased when Simpson was appointed coach, I thought picking him over Sumich was a sign that the boys club would go. Unfortunately it's still the same apart from the fact Simpson has created his only mini North Melbourne boys club inside the club as well.

Has nothing to do with the north boys club. Why did we bring Tim Gepp back? The old heads still run the club, simmo is just a puppet. remember Illuminati is Luke Shuey. There is no out

 

[Keys]

Has nothing to do with the north boys club. Why did we bring Tim Gepp back? The old heads still run the club, simmo is just a puppet. remember Illuminati is Luke Shuey. There is no out

Tim Gepp is part of the mid 2000's cancer that should never have been let back in. No idea what he's doing back at the club

 

[Monocle]

Tim Gepp is part of the mid 2000's cancer that should never have been let back in. No idea what he's doing back at the club

So much this it was a major step backwards when Gepp returned to the Club !!!!

It was nothing more than nepotism at its grubby ugly worst.

 

[Galileo9]

So much this it was a major step backwards when Gepp returned to the Club !!!!

It was nothing more than nepotism at its grubby ugly worst.

Like in all industries, gepp probably had the right contacts to get back in. I have no info but that's how the world works, it's all about who you know.

 

[Keys]

Like in all industries, gepp probably had the right contacts to get back in. I have no info but that's how the world works, it's all about who you know.

Yep

And it's called nepotism like monocle said

He has no worthwhile role at the club imo

 

[Monocle]

Like in all industries, gepp probably had the right contacts to get back in. I have no info but that's how the world works, it's all about who you know.

Oh I dont disagree with you there Galileo9 , you are 100% correct there and his contact / good mate is someone who has been at the Club for way too long as his use by date expired some many years ago. When he and Gepp eventually go then the last two pieces of the malignant tumor will be removed from a sorry chapter in our Clubs past.

 

[BartBart]

* I wonder if the different size of Perth Stadium will change things next year?

* I think we had the mongrel beaten out of us post 2007 (culture recovery after social drug issue). Now it is in our culture to be soft - maybe the culture shift was taken too far & we need a new culture shift.

* maybe some pre-season boxing needed (not to the Walls/Strempel level)

* we are a 1 trick pony. If a team decides to play on at all costs or if they put pressure on us we don't have a counter. Easier to do the former at Subi Oval.

 

[ep2018]

Heard a story a while back that Simmo and Gepp nearly came to blows in the coaching box one gameday sometime in 2014. Apparently Simpson was doing a few things differently that Woosha never did (reasonable considering they are different coaches) and Gepp was having none of it.

 

[ep2018]

Like in all industries, gepp probably had the right contacts to get back in. I have no info but that's how the world works, it's all about who you know.

Gepp's true role is probably to keep an eye on gameday and the coaches box, then report back to the club board.

 

[Galileo9]

Gepp's true role is probably to keep an eye on gameday and the coaches box, then report back to the club board.

A stooge. Fantastic.

 

[Galileo9]

Oh I dont disagree with you there Galileo9 , you are 100% correct there and his contact / good mate is someone who has been at the Club for way too long as his use by date expired some many years ago. When he and Gepp eventually go then the last two pieces of the malignant tumor will be removed from a sorry chapter in our Clubs past.

I think they all protect each other. Classic method: CEO encourages appointment of board members who are more sympathetic to the CEO. Board members feel there is a debt etc. seen it many times, board or CEO are more concerned about paying the debt back than what's good for company.

This isn't unique to wce, it's everywhere. Including the afl HQ itself and no doubt every other club.

 

[Keys]

The long-time member of the match committee, who was engaged for each of the club’s premierships, will resume in a part-time role as an opposition analyst, mentor for the coaching group and will also have a match day role.

Found this from when he was appointed

I'd be surprised if he offers much more than two fifths of * all and he looks every bit a club appointed minder for Simpson

If someone told me that Simpson doesn't have full control over team selection and isn't necessarily given the players he wants at draft time I'd believe it

 

[ziad]

Like in all industries, gepp probably had the right contacts to get back in. I have no info but that's how the world works, it's all about who you know.

Thats how nepatistic organisations work - there never excelled

 

[Monocle]

Gepp's true role is probably to keep an eye on gameday and the coaches box, then report back to the club board.

That's got Nisbetts grubby hands all over it . Mindyou the name Deepthroat has as a certain match for Gepp.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

It was before we started winning in 2015 and before he died, but Ken Judge questioned the reason why we bought Tim Gepp back and said he was the biggest snake out when he was coach. I was never a Judge fan as coach and on the radio he was very anti Eagles but I dunno, this really rang true to me. I just don't understand what he brings other than being the old faithfuls spy on the inside.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

PS Nisbetts must go when we move to the new facilities. It's not his club to run. The fact he survived the drug saga is an outrageous feat in itself. He should have been removed then. Then after the wooden spoon that was the second he should have been removed. It's not as though there isn't other people out there that know how to run a football club or business. It's pathetic. Nothing will change until the top dogs change. * them campaigners

 

[Keys]

PS Nisbetts must go when we move to the new facilities. It's not his club to run. The fact he survived the drug saga is an outrageous feat in itself. He should have been removed then. Then after the wooden spoon that was the second he should have been removed. It's not as though there isn't other people out there that know how to run a football club or business. It's pathetic. Nothing will change until the top dogs change. **** them campaigners

Agree

Get the move to the new stadium and new training facilities done then move him on

We have a time limit on directors but nisbett has been CEO for close to 20 years

 

[Monocle]

It was before we started winning in 2015 and before he died, but Ken Judge questioned the reason why we bought Tim Gepp back and said he was the biggest snake out when he was coach. I was never a Judge fan as coach and on the radio he was very anti Eagles but I dunno, this really rang true to me. I just don't understand what he brings other than being the old faithfuls spy on the inside.

I knew Ken Judge a little bit, although I don't pretend we were close we chatted some , on two maybe three occasions, however I was mates with some of his East Fremantle mates that he played with, so I heard a bit, all be it only one side of the story and second hand.

Ken came across as anti Eagles after he left the Club and most just assumed that he was "pissed" because he got the arse.
While, no denying, there is some merit in that argument BUT its not the main reason why he was anti West Coast.

Judge was is a very small minority at the Club who tried to alert the powers to be about the severity of certain illegal and antisocial behaviour that was going on within the playing group and effecting the Clubs Culture. The truth of the matter is that the Clubs management, at the time, viewed winning at all costs and turned a blind eye to behaviour of ( certainly not all ) but some players, likewise they also showed a deaf ear to those who questioned the morality and integrity of such management and governance .

Ken Judge was scorned by many in Management at the Club and they did everything in their power to silence him and the explosive information he was bringing to light ... thats why he was "pissed" at the Club.

As loyal as most of us Supporters are it would be most naive to not believe any of the social gossip/ chit chat / media speculation about the goings on of certain high profile Eagles players (at the time in question ).
Most who lived in Perth either witnessed some of this behaviour or knew someone who had.
If you socialised or partied at certain Western Suburb Pubs or Clubs it was "a monty" that you would have seen "stuff".
Hell even if you were still in denial........ the ever so frequent incidents with the law , criminal charges etc etc should have turned the light on for you.

By this time the top end of town started to get nerve and the financial backers in suits started asking questions, the answers they got were not necessarily the correct ones from those at the Club who were in a position to know. They weren't lies as such..... but lets just say the truth was sanitised and the quantity of information that was forth coming was measured and liberal at best.

I digress.

When the s**t hit the fan the power to be at WC entrusted Nisbett and Gepp ( and a few others ) to get to the bottom of the mess.
That was premised on the thought that there would be a desire for the truth to be revealed in its totality.
Thats sort of like believing that Father Christmas is true.... nice thought , but thats all it is.

Just enough information was revealed , but lets be honest with each other here... do you really REALLY think that the people' on who's watch this all occurred on' had any genuine motivation to reveal the severity of the plight.... maybe be just maybe a bit of arse covering went on here.

Ask your self this :
Who was on the spot ( at the scene of the crime so to speak ) when Flatline Fletcher did his now infamous hospital stunt on the trip to America.
Also ask your self this why did the Club think that a chaperone was needed ( a practice that was unheard of at the time for the " End Of Season Trip " ).

In hindsight the WC powers to be........ by asking who they did to investigate the status of the Players Culture and the allegations, looks as silly as if they had asked Pablo Escobar to help put a stop to Drug Trafficking in Columbia, or having asked Jordan Belfort to reform the corruptive ploys on financial market.

In short they asked Gordon Gecko to eliminate greed on Wall Street.

Whilst the last few people on who's watch this cluster fu(k occurred , remain at the Club we will never either be free of the complicit deceit or ever unravel the truth. Only a few know fully what really went on in that dark and clandestine era at the Club and those who do, make no mistake, guard the truth as close as those entrusted with holding the secrets of "The Illuminate".

Now I don't for one minute suggest that certain persons were pleased when Ken Judge passed, but i suspect that they may well have been relieved that certain information went to the grave with him.

Lets get the new Head Quarters built, lets get into the New Stadium up and running.
Then lets finally cut the last few straggly remnants that are still attached to the Clubs administration and move on from the ever present shadows and s**t stain of a brief ,but murky past era, in what has other wise been a proud history at our Club.

Post Script : It took a salvo across the bow from the AFL for the Club to eventually get the message " Clean up your act , because its tarnishing our whole game ".
We have now done that and kudos to those in charge for doing so.
BUT be under no illusions the consequences of the "squeaky clean" brush have left the Club with a battered mojo, deeply scared and a new mentality of being nice, polite ,unobtrusive ...... oh and as it happens unsuccessful.

Its time we got our MOJO back.

 

[liam123]

When Woosha left he stated the reason was that he had lost his passion for coaching. Yet it didn't take him long to coach again at the bombers. I had the feeling back then there was something else to it all. Was his hands tied too much by the board who were no longer concerned with winning? Is this now the same trouble simmo is going through? Something just isn't adding up for mine

 

[Keys]

When Woosha left he stated the reason was that he had lost his passion for coaching. Yet it didn't take him long to coach again at the bombers. I had the feeling back then there was something else to it all. Was his hands tied too much by the board who were no longer concerned with winning? Is this now the same trouble simmo is going through? Something just isn't adding up for mine

He was cooked as our coach and our performance in 2013 reflected that - he definitely looked jaded

It was only the death of Phil Walsh that drew him back into football and he rediscovered the spark for coaching that led to the Essendon job

And I also think he was given the dignity of being able to "resign" rather than be sacked

His coaching career at west coast had run its course - doubt there was anything more to it than that

 

[russ]

Can anyone name a player in the past 5 years who's played for us who screams true leader?

Most good teams have more than one of these type of players.

We are basically North Melbourne of the west and that is the worst thing IMO, from a talent perspective we've had a premiership list for At least 5 years.

i miss beau beau

 

[frenchconnection]

i miss beau beau

Yes I think it was a tragedy that his career was cut short by injury. He was a deadset captain in waiting and as hard as nails! The sort of player/captain that we could do with now.

 

[ziad]

so the rot is deep, but there is no avenue to implement change. I wonder?

the club members survey focuses on social work and sponsors, never a mention of performance.

perhaps it is time for more vocal discussion - well the press is brain dead or part of the club so that avenue is closed.