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andana said:
May have signed Casey Hayward, another Bradley player.
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No we haven't.

Talking to him, but we've talked to a few vet corners. I hope they sign one of Hayward or Sherman.

I am liking the look of this D though. Far more talented than last season, and I expect an uptick in play specifically from Abram and Arnette in particular. Only concern is slot corner who I think will be Nevin Lawson if the season started today.
 

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Hypothetically speaking, if the Packers became amenable to trading Aaron Rodgers, if you were Jon Gruden, how much would you pay to get Rodgers to Vegas?

Derek Carr obviously would be part of the package, but GB may want to go with Love, in which you'd need to find a 3rd team to take Carr (at which point it would get tricky).

If Carr was part of the package, I think Carr and two first round picks is a starting point. Wouldn't be opposed to offering an additional 2nd round pick or two either.
 
Chewy316 said:
Hypothetically speaking, if the Packers became amenable to trading Aaron Rodgers, if you were Jon Gruden, how much would you pay to get Rodgers to Vegas?

Derek Carr obviously would be part of the package, but GB may want to go with Love, in which you'd need to find a 3rd team to take Carr (at which point it would get tricky).

If Carr was part of the package, I think Carr and two first round picks is a starting point. Wouldn't be opposed to offering an additional 2nd round pick or two either.
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Yea couldn't see GB taking Carr, however a team like Houston most certainly would. He'd be perfect for their front office.
 
The big question is could Jonny boy's ego handle Aaron getting all the credit?
 
For the second straight year, the Raiders are one of the betting favorites to acquire a three-time NFL MVP quarterback.

A year after Las Vegas was one of the early favorites to land Tom Brady before he signed with Tampa Bay, the Raiders are the 5-1 third choice at DraftKings sportsbook to be Aaron Rodgers’ 2021 team.


Rodgers, the reigning league MVP, reportedly wants out of Green Bay and would prefer to play for the 49ers, Raiders or Broncos.

The Packers opened as the -125 favorites Monday to keep their QB and Denver was the 2-1 second choice at DraftKings, which doesn’t have a book in Nevada.

“Las Vegas is a good spot to go to for Rodgers. He’s been playing in cold weather his whole career, so to get a chance to play in a place like Las Vegas might suit him well,” DraftKings sportsbook director Johnny Avello said. “But the Raiders re-signed their backup (Marcus) Mariota. It would kind of be unlikely. I think it’s either he’s staying in Green Bay or going to Denver.”
 
GG.exe said:
Of course youd give up multiple firsts. Even at 37 he could realistically play at an elite level for another 8 years.
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Coming off an MVP for God's sake, Carr is never reaching that level.
 
I'd do the trade.

In the NFL there's two types of teams, one's with elite quarterbacks and those that are without an elite quarterback. It's such an important position that everyone else around is icing on the cake. Get good icing, perhaps you'll win a Superbowl.
 
My boy andana got the inside sources. 🤗

Step up your game Chewy ! :p

Hayward is a fantastic pick up if healthy. 👍
 

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Analysis of Darius Stills from Zach Patraw of NFL Draft Bible on Sports Illustrated

Darius Stills generally plays inside as a three-technique or a one-technique. He appears better working as a 2i with an inside shade on the guard. His quickness off of the snap and his explosive get off are tough for guards to match on the inside. He beats offensive linemen to the punch and can get to the inside shoulder quickly to turn and get the offensive lineman in a chase position. Stills is best as a pass rusher. He uses his hands really well and has a solid counter and rushes with a thought-out plan. He can be used as a pocket mover in the passing game that can penetrate up the middle and cause the quarterback to move off of his spot and get him uncomfortable. This will help outside edge rushers to get pressure on the opposing team’s quarterback.

 
What does Rodgers want? Do you ever know with him? He operates at his own frequency. His is an incomprehensible brilliance, one that inspires awe when he concocts some kind of original, astounding play on the field, one that leaves brows furrowed when he can’t restrain his mercurial nature.
He wants what he wants when he wants it, and then he might change his mind. He’s different like many superstars are different. Extraordinary. Challenging. Defiant. But they’re all meeting at the same place. There’s little apprehension anymore about divorcing their teams


Separation is becoming the expectation. If money, winning and adoration can’t satisfy Rodgers, if he doesn’t crave the comfort of 16 years of a very good thing in Green Bay, then do franchise players come with anchors anymore?

Rodgers has long been a freelancing maestro. He is the king of breaking plays, of drawing up game-winners in the huddle, of making Hail Marys seem like certainties and using his imagination to make up for any of his team’s shortcomings. His way works, too.


Last season, it seemed as if Rodgers was digging the collaboration with LaFleur. It seemed as if, perhaps, their success would be fulfilling. His performance was disciplined and spectacular. He threw 48 touchdown passes and just five interceptions, completed a career-high 70.7 percent of his passes and directed the NFL’s highest-scoring and most balanced offense.

Assuming Green Bay doesn’t acquiesce to his demands and Rodgers doesn’t follow through on a threat to walk away while still at the top of his game, the Packers and their legend will be forced to live out the misery of competing for a championship together. The Super Bowl is within arm’s reach, if this silly wrestling match ever ends.
The Lombardi Trophy doesn’t guarantee healing now, however. Try reconciling that thought as this superstar independence movement expands.
Rodgers has a dream job. It’s not dreamy enough, apparently.

edited from washingtonpost.com
 
I'm one of Derek Carr's biggest fans as a player and even more so as a person. But even I will be first to acknowledge that the gap in talent between Rodgers and Carr is quite vast. I personally think there are only 2 QBs in the league who are super stars at the position (Rodgers and Mahomes), and then there's Brady who brings all the intangibles of winning as the 3rd tier 1 QB in the league. You can then throw a blanket over QBs 4 through 12 or thereabouts. Wilson, Watson, Tannehill, Jackson, Carr etc, throw them all in this bracket. On their day they play up to tier 1 levels, but you're also going to get a fair bit of variance in their play, and they'll probably have at least 1 or 2 stinkers every year.

If youre the Raiders do you really want to let Denver trade for a tier 1 QB and then be forced to play Mahomes and Rodgers 4 times a year? It's not exactly a recipe for success.

But if you trade for Rodgers, where does this Raiders team sit amongst Super Bowl contenders? I don't think it's unreasonable that in such a scenario that people should view the Raiders as a legit Super Bowl contender.

Fwiw, the Raiders are discussing the possibility of trading for Rodgers - they're seriously considering putting together a package. Even my sources who are with the Raiders have privately told me that as much as Gruden loves Carr, this is the best opportunity they'll ever get to acquire quite literally the best player in the league.
 
andana said:
Analysis of Darius Stills from Zach Patraw of NFL Draft Bible on Sports Illustrated

Darius Stills generally plays inside as a three-technique or a one-technique. He appears better working as a 2i with an inside shade on the guard. His quickness off of the snap and his explosive get off are tough for guards to match on the inside. He beats offensive linemen to the punch and can get to the inside shoulder quickly to turn and get the offensive lineman in a chase position. Stills is best as a pass rusher. He uses his hands really well and has a solid counter and rushes with a thought-out plan. He can be used as a pocket mover in the passing game that can penetrate up the middle and cause the quarterback to move off of his spot and get him uncomfortable. This will help outside edge rushers to get pressure on the opposing team’s quarterback.

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Raiders got a steal with Stills as a UDFA
When all is said and done, Stills may end up being a steal for the Raiders, as he has the size, strength, and ability to earn a roster spot this summer. He absolutely dominated for the West Virginia Mountaineers last season, earning Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year honors, being named an All-American, as well as first-team All-Big 12.

Stills had a monster junior campaign in 2019, racking up 12 tackles for a loss, as well as getting after the quarterback 6.5 times. He also comes from an NFL family, as his father, Gary, played ten seasons in the league, appearing in over 130 games for the Kansas City Chiefs and Baltimore Ravens.

Las Vegas has made a lot of moves in terms of the defensive line this offseason, bringing in a bunch of players at defensive tackle, as well as adding talent on the edges. Gus Bradley is going to find the best players to run his system, and his system requires defensive tackles that can get push, and Stills has that skill set.

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manureid said:
I doubt Rogers sees us as a contender. Sadly the Broncos would probably be his best fit
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How did you come to this conclusion? The Pack will only trade him to the AFC, and the only teams Rodgers has on his trade list are Denver and the Raiders.

What makes you think that Denver have a better situation than Vegas? Fangio has no runs on the board. Denver were 28th in scoring last year and 25th in points allowed. They're not good on either side of the ball, and you're kidding yourself if you think an ageing Von Miller (along with Bradley Chubb) suddenly turns this team into a juggernaut on D.

The Raiders had a top 10 offence last season in terms of points scored. They beat the Saints, Browns and Chiefs both on the road and nearly swept the Chiefs at home. And for all the troubles the Raiders had on defense last year, you know they're going to be better positioned schematically under Bradley. Expecting a middle of the road D this year isn't unreasonable.

Rodgers will be traded for picks, not players other than a QB (that is, if he's traded).
 
Chewy316 said:
How did you come to this conclusion? The Pack will only trade him to the AFC, and the only teams Rodgers has on his trade list are Denver and the Raiders.

What makes you think that Denver have a better situation than Vegas? Fangio has no runs on the board. Denver were 28th in scoring last year and 25th in points allowed. They're not good on either side of the ball, and you're kidding yourself if you think an ageing Von Miller (along with Bradley Chubb) suddenly turns this team into a juggernaut on D.

The Raiders had a top 10 offence last season in terms of points scored. They beat the Saints, Browns and Chiefs both on the road and nearly swept the Chiefs at home. And for all the troubles the Raiders had on defense last year, you know they're going to be better positioned schematically under Bradley. Expecting a middle of the road D this year isn't unreasonable.

Rodgers will be traded for picks, not players other than a QB (that is, if he's traded).
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Broncos roster is loaded mate, seriously, I hate the campaigners probably even more than you do, but it's top 3 roster in two years time. That secondary is #1 in the NFL now imo. If Fangio doesn't make it work this year , coaches will be falling over each other to get their hands on that roster.
 
I'd much prefer Rodgers on the Raiders from a personal perspective having said all that. Just don't see it like Manu unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong.
 
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