Opinion Leaders and Leadership

[BrutThough]

Do you think Steele should be captain?

I certainly don't. Was a terrible call making him captain again.

I have no idea. I dont see 95% of what the Captain does. Neither do you.

 

[Sully111]

I have no idea. I dont see 95% of what the Captain does. Neither do you.

So is there any player past or present that you thought was a good captain... for any team?

 

[austinnn]

I have no idea. I dont see 95% of what the Captain does. Neither do you.

We can certainly see the effect the captain has though.

 

[TheJackal]

Hate to say it guys and girls, but Wilkie is in a similar boat to Steele in his leadership style. Both are fine to have in our leadership group, but Wilk's has much of the same pitfalls as JS does. He's actually a pretty chill laid back guy, very much another nice guy who isnt threatening.

The only person who is a best 22 player who is different to our other leaders is Phillipou. The guy is a maniac on the track, is so vocal, so encouraging but also demands standards not seen since Rooey left.

If we want to shake it up, Pou is the one. Unfortunately for us, he is very young and puts a heap of pressure on himself to be the best. Who knows whether the burden of him putting the team on his shoulders each week would be too much for his development.

 

[austinnn]

Hate to say it guys and girls, but Wilkie is in a similar boat to Steele in his leadership style. Both are fine to have in our leadership group, but Wilk's has much of the same pitfalls as JS does. He's actually a pretty chill laid back guy, very much another nice guy who isnt threatening.

The only person who is a best 22 player who is different to our other leaders is Phillipou. The guy is a maniac on the track, is so vocal, so encouraging but also demands standards not seen since Rooey left.

If we want to shake it up, Pou is the one. Unfortunately for us, he is very young and puts a heap of pressure on himself to be the best. Who knows whether the burden of him putting the team on his shoulders each week would be too much for his development.

I agree about the chill factor. Obviously it's unfair to give Matteas the captaincy so early but I agree he's the one you'd pick for the future. Probably a year or two away still. Stocker is my guy, but im not sure if it's a good fit with the mental health stuff he has going on.

 

[Plugger35]

I agree about the chill factor. Obviously it's unfair to give Matteas the captaincy so early but I agree he's the one you'd pick for the future. Probably a year or two away still. Stocker is my guy, but im not sure if it's a good fit with the mental health stuff he has going on.

Stocker isn't guaranteed his place in the side either, he has some good attributes though, he speaks well and leads by example.

I agree that Phillipou would be a good candidate as captain in the future but he is too young now and needs to focus on himself.

If you needed to make the switch now Wilkie is the obvious choice but not an ideal one, a shame Mason Wood isn't a bit younger.

 

[The Jack]

Hate to say it guys and girls, but Wilkie is in a similar boat to Steele in his leadership style. Both are fine to have in our leadership group, but Wilk's has much of the same pitfalls as JS does. He's actually a pretty chill laid back guy, very much another nice guy who isnt threatening.

The only person who is a best 22 player who is different to our other leaders is Phillipou. The guy is a maniac on the track, is so vocal, so encouraging but also demands standards not seen since Rooey left.

If we want to shake it up, Pou is the one. Unfortunately for us, he is very young and puts a heap of pressure on himself to be the best. Who knows whether the burden of him putting the team on his shoulders each week would be too much for his development.

Let’s get him signed up first.

 

[Saints43]

I’d be keen to know how they are providing leadership opportunities to the young group who’ll drive us to our next flag( they should put a lot of effort into Garcia, Pou, Windy, NAS, Tauru, Travalgia and even bloody O Connell whose bloody tough as nails

They sent a whole heap of players off to the All Blacks leadership program a while back.

 

[austinnn]

Once again, the thing that scares me is that there isn't anyone for young potential leaders to learn great leadership from at our club. There's a big void. Riewoldt and Hayes had Burke and GT. Lenny is there but he's a pretty laid back character these days, like lost of the seniors. I think the young guys have to create their own culture, like Hayes, Kosi, Ball, X, Riewoldt, Dal Santo and BJ did when they came through.

 

[True Believer]

Hate to say it guys and girls, but Wilkie is in a similar boat to Steele in his leadership style. Both are fine to have in our leadership group, but Wilk's has much of the same pitfalls as JS does. He's actually a pretty chill laid back guy, very much another nice guy who isnt threatening.

The only person who is a best 22 player who is different to our other leaders is Phillipou. The guy is a maniac on the track, is so vocal, so encouraging but also demands standards not seen since Rooey left.

If we want to shake it up, Pou is the one. Unfortunately for us, he is very young and puts a heap of pressure on himself to be the best. Who knows whether the burden of him putting the team on his shoulders each week would be too much for his development.

Could also be the absolute making of him.....
I think he will absolutely thrive with it, in a couple of years time.......

 

[Nutsngum]

Maybe in the future, but people stating Philipou is captain material I think are missing a lot of what the captains actually do. Pou is a very quiet kid and not super social. Apparently he has become a lot better at this over the year but GOOD captains have an inherent ability to interact genuinely with their team mates.

Issues with Steele stem purely from his impact on games these days which isn't as good as previous years, that's a fair criticism, but I think there's a lot more that goes on behind the scenes that no one on here is privy to. The question of "would handing the captaincy to someone else allow him to refocus on his game and recapture his previous AA level" is absolutely one of merit, but it really ignores any sort of relationship building that he likely excels at behind the scenes.

 

[LennyHayes77]

Wouldn't hate the idea of getting a proven veteran with strong leadership history into the team in the off-season. Not sure who it would be but think Brisbane getting Hodge, Roos getting Parker has made a huge positive impact on their locker room culture. They would also teach what it takes to win in this league which we are sorely lacking.
I don't want a Hannabery type, someone just looking for an extra pay day, but someone who is willing to really step in and demand perfection from the group.
Someone like Phillipou is someone who would demand perfection but he doesn't have the respect needed yet to really own the locker room.

 

[chris_h_11]

Like him or loathe him, GT knew how to spot and extract leadership qualities from the young blokes. RL had ready made leaders with us and at Freo in Roo and Pavlich, the heavy lifting was done by GT before that. Forget the rotating captaincy stuff, that was just the public face of what GT was doing, it's the stuff behind closed doors that we could use now, to grow some great leaders from what we've already got.

We could do worse than get him to mentor a few of the 23-and-under generation, outside of the club. Imagine guys like Windy, Nas, Pou, Hugo, even Wilson and Tobie having a chat with someone like that, seperate from the day-to-day stuff, once a month or something like that.

I really dont know where our next captain is gonna come from. Moving to Wilkie is a step sideways, not passing the torch to the next gen.

 

[LennyHayes77]

I really dont know where our next captain is gonna come from. Moving to Wilkie is a step sideways, not passing the torch to the next gen.

At the very least Wilkie offers more vocal direction on field. Steele is a lead by example type and his examples haven't been very inspiring this year (or last to be honest)

 

[Mowman]

Club sent Nas - Owens - Windy and 1 or 2 others to NZ last pre season on leadership courses

 

[austinnn]

Maybe in the future, but people stating Philipou is captain material I think are missing a lot of what the captains actually do. Pou is a very quiet kid and not super social. Apparently he has become a lot better at this over the year but GOOD captains have an inherent ability to interact genuinely with their team mates.

Issues with Steele stem purely from his impact on games these days which isn't as good as previous years, that's a fair criticism, but I think there's a lot more that goes on behind the scenes that no one on here is privy to. The question of "would handing the captaincy to someone else allow him to refocus on his game and recapture his previous AA level" is absolutely one of merit, but it really ignores any sort of relationship building that he likely excels at behind the scenes.

That's a very good point, and one i hadn't really considered: the connection piece.

As my counterpoint, I would say whatever Steele is good at, it clearly isn't enough. It's clear to me watching us play that we're not well led. Maybe the fellas are all in a good mental space and can stand around the barbecue chatting without smashing bottles over each other's heads or crying into their pillows at night, but they are rarely in sync on field and that's why their team is a raggedy bunch of tryers hovering around the 10th-15th spot on the ladder rather than a solid band of brothers who connect seamlessly with one another and play and fight as one unit.

 

[austinnn]

Club sent Nas - Owens - Windy and 1 or 2 others to NZ last pre season on leadership courses

I like Windy, reckon he's grabbed that no. 2 locker with intention and wants to build something himself rather than wait to be led. That kind of intention is exactly what we need at the top.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Club sent Nas - Owens - Windy and 1 or 2 others to NZ last pre season on leadership courses

No wonder Nas wants to move West, learned off the Kiwis!