Leadership at our club. Is it all it's cracked up to be?

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Agree that Boak is trying hard, also agree that players 18 - 22 aren't the problem, it is way too difficult for any fringe player to do well when 5 or more of the top echelon have gone missing more often than not this season.

I also believe there are more than just physical shortcomings, and whether it is one person, or a combination of people and/or events, something has f*cked with the chemistry of the team. :rolleyes:
 
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Agree that Boak is trying hard, also agree that players 18 - 22 aren't the problem, it's is way too difficult for any fringe player to do well when 5 or more of the top echelon have gone missing more often than not this season.

I also believe there are more than just physical shortcomings, and whether it is one person, or a combination of people, and/or events, something has f*cked with the chemistry of the team. :rolleyes:
Some people are saying that its a mental thing , how could that be ? , gee we finished of last year with heaps of promise , started reasonably well this year , great crowds , very good off field leadership , surely our lads are not that soft that a couple of losses early on has them second guessing , surely ?
 

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#30
Our leadership group has become massively bloated anyway. All you need is (assume the C and VC are mids) is the captain, vice captain, and 2 line leaders at either end, preferably Schulz/Gray, and Jackson.

Bugger Lobbe, Jonas, Hartlett, Monfries off. Unnecessary. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
 

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Some people are saying that its a mental thing , how could that be ? , gee we finished of last year with heaps of promise , started reasonably well this year , great crowds , very good off field leadership , surely our lads are not that soft that a couple of losses early on has them second guessing , surely ?
I think they are, there has to be an element of it, but I still believe they couldn't motivate themselves to go hard at it for a third year in a row, being that for 3 to 4 years prior to Hinkley they weren't used to working this hard. Now that doesn't mean they'll be right next season because really poor seasons for some players can mean they never regain the belief to get back to where they once reached. More specifically on the leadership group, it isn't right because the overall talent of the leadership group is average. We are good enough for the odd season or two but to be a regular force we are not, we need to develop better players.
 

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I can accept (somewhat) our leaders form has been not there this year. What I cant accept is the lack of aggression and actively demonstrating the wearing of your heart on your sleeve. If our leaders dont do it, then it cascades. Lobbe and Jonas should be axed next year from group. Too many cooks
 

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Very true , doubt if to many that are in the group now , would've even been thought of as leadership material in previous decades.
Quite frankly that is absolute over-reactionary tripe.

Jonas was outstanding throughout 2013 and 2014. Reliable, aggressive and team oriented. Unanimously considered the right type of personality for a leadership role.

He is in horrendous form at the moment, but lets not pretend that it was forseeable. Unless of course you can direct me to posts of yours at the time questioning his appointment....
 

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standard reply from this forum. Was let to run free against Geelong and was murdered by Guthrie. Midfielders get tagged, they play through it. They dig deep and go in and win the ball. Boak is not doing it and simply saying he is getting tagged is just absolute cr*p.
Great post. Try pointing this out to the average supporter at AO games. You'll be crucified for daring to question why the skipper fumbles so much in 2015.
 

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Gray walked out of the leadership group at the end of last year. Didnt want the hassle. He hasnt gone backwards.

Boak is suffering from trying to do too much. Its noticeable that other sides shut down Boak but leave Gray alone. When we are behind he is in there trying to do so much but is usually cut down by a crunching tackle from the tagger or another opponent because he is trying to do the match winning/goal winning stuff, instead of just dishing it off to a team mate in a better position. If we had someone the size of Kennedy and sat on him, like Mitchell did on Boak, we might have won on Thursday night. Its easier to match up on 183cm/83kg player than a 188cm/93kgs player.Despite what the girls say, size always matters. ;) Its also why we have only closed down Goodes once (O'Shea) in the last 10 years when he has played on the ball. We dont have anyone big enough, and good enough, to do the job on him.

The rest of our leaders are either out of form and playing poorly but surviving on the gold pass and lack of depth for their spot, or only playing average rather than great footy.
this. Boak is trying bloody hard but has been often rendered ineffective to the point he fumbles and rushes his disposal. For him I could make the excuse that he is over-trying but it still has not been good enough. The others are just enduring a poor time of it. Ebert is notorious for his form fading after round 5, through the winter months.
 

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Boak is a great leader but he does need a hand...

And thats where it falls away really...

Its freaking bad when you look at our list and the next best inspiring leader is wines...nothing against wines but he is still young and raw for that responsibility

Its freaking embaressing when achee hoon and boak seemed to be the only players desperate enough when the game is on the line...

No urgency shown by our leaders when momentum is against us or its 4th qtr win or bust stuff...
 

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#40
The captain was a popularity contest under Choco .

Dont you remember the famous vote where Tredders only got 1 vote for him as captain. In 2005 Tredders sledged Nick Stevens asking him where his premiership medal was and Stevens came back with telling him nobody wanted him as captain because no one liked him and the only vote he got was from himself.
I had not heard about that one and I suspect that under Choc a vote was taken and it was ratified by the Board who officially announced the 'appointment'.

As for the Tredders vote, Stevens would not know because he left Port at the end of 2003 and Tredders first year as officially appointed Captain was 2006. Sounds a bit like Tredders making a factual observation and Stevens replying with a load of hearsay.
 

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I had not heard about that one and I suspect that under Choc a vote was taken and it was ratified by the Board who officially announced the 'appointment'.

As for the Tredders vote, Stevens would not know because he left Port at the end of 2003 and Tredders first year as officially appointed Captain was 2006. Sounds a bit like Tredders making a factual observation and Stevens replying with a load of hearsay.
Stevens stayed good mates with many players. Players gossip as much as anyone and his mates would have told him.
 
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Players have up and down form, it just so happens that several key players happen to be rubbish all at once.

People need to appreciate the difference between endeavour and performance. Ie Boak is working hard but it isn't coming off for him. I would suggest most of our leaders fit this at the moment, I'm not really sure you could question the commitment of the group, just their on field exploits. Happy to be corrected though.

An equally concerning trend is for our most experienced players to also have dropped away so sharply - Carlile, Westhoff, Schulz and Monfries. There is no excuse for these guys to not be putting in consistent performances - they don't have to star and carry the team each week but consistency would be nice.

Realistically we seem to be carried by a run down Boak, an amazing Gray, unbelievable Wingard and several juniors in Hombsch, Hoon, Ah Chee
 

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Voss to blame for everything as usual.... tosh
I know it doesn't address the immediate issues, and lets face it, Walsh was a tactical guru, so Voss is always going to suffer in comparison, but when you think about it, he's just turned 40, and has 5 years of senior coaching under his belt.
Given keeping Walsh was not possible, we could have done a lot worse. .... of course being 40 means he's also a risk down the track of being poached as well.
 

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Quite frankly that is absolute over-reactionary tripe.

Jonas was outstanding throughout 2013 and 2014. Reliable, aggressive and team oriented. Unanimously considered the right type of personality for a leadership role.

He is in horrendous form at the moment, but lets not pretend that it was forseeable. Unless of course you can direct me to posts of yours at the time questioning his appointment....
We are talking about the current situation aren't we ? would we at this stage put Lobbe , Jonas, Ebert in as candidates for next year ? , you'd have to say no.
 

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Voss to blame for everything as usual.... tosh
I still hold a grudge for him voting Waylen off the island on the recruit that kid was as mad as three ferrets down a pair of skinny marblewash jeans fighting over a chunk of doodlegouda but he had legit talent 9 or 10 preseasons under his belt I could see him holding down a forward pocket for us
 

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#46
How has Ebert been getting lumped in with the likes of Lobbe and Jonas lately? Lobbe and Jonas haven't had a good game between them all year. Ebert has had a couple of down games but started the season like a house on fire. Overall he's probably top 5 in our B&F right now.
 

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How has Ebert been getting lumped in with the likes of Lobbe and Jonas lately? Lobbe and Jonas haven't had a good game between them all year. Ebert has had a couple of down games but started the season like a house on fire. Overall he's probably top 5 in our B&F right now.
Yep , Lobbe and Jonas in their own group , followed by the Pittard , Ebert Monfries , Hartlett etc.,type grouping , geez I wish we had real pressure coming from our Sanfl setup
 

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Ebert doing his mid-year disappearing act as usual, Lobbe struggling to impact games with Ryder in the team. Jonas absolutely terrible, Hartlett trying too hard and cooking everything he touched up until a month ago. Wines, Trengove injured and Boak gets a pass.
With Ryder in the team?

He has been worst Shen he has been by him self.
 
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#49
The psychological malaise has infected the majority of our players and clearly the leadership group has not been immune. The extra responsibility on the members of the leadership group to cure this malaise may be only compounding their symptoms.

Well now that Peter Rohde has left someone has to carry the can.
Bring back Nathan Lonie and Troy Chaplin for leadership
 
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